Romanian Grooming Gang Convicted of Sexually Exploiting Women in Dundee

[mokwit]

31 minutes ago, simple1 said:

A reasonably balanced  article below sheds some light on the demographics of this type of crime.

 

A previous piece of research from 2015 found that of 1,231 perpetrators of "group and gang-based child sexual exploitation", 42% were white, 14% were defined as Asian or Asian British and 17% black.

This is absolute numbers not per capita. You have cherry picked a paragraph that you think suits your agenda.

 

For some reason you didn't cut and paste this from the article:

 

"Some studies suggest an over-representation of Black and Asian offenders relative to the demographics of national populations."

 

I have previously tried to get across to you the importance of looking at this based on per capita not absolute numbers but you refuse to acknowledge this either because it is against your agenda, or because you are too limited to grasp this concept (it is a university education level thing). The reason I say per capita is because I was formally taught to interpret data as a Science undergraduate and in a finance qualification.

 

So: you are hardly qualified/to be trusted to make a judgement on whether an article is balanced. The BBC is regarded by many/mostas having a pro immigration stance and to downplay grooming crimes.

 

I repeat things like this have to be looked on a per capita basis i.e percent of rapes vs percent of population. Quoting the number of rapes in absolute terms will almost certainly show the highest ethnic group will commit the highest number of low incidence crimes through sheer weight of numbers in the population.

 

Quoting on an absolute basis is a statistically unsound political strategy used to distort the data for the purpose of deflecting criticism of the number of per capita rapes committed by certain immigrant groups.

 

Lumping all 'Asians' together would distort the per capita number form a particular group of interest (Pakistani and Bangladeshi) as it would also include for example Chinese who might (almost certainly) have a much lower per capita offence rate. This is likely done deliberately to avoid showing the data in it's true light. Similarly black, doesn't distinguish between long established Afro Caribbean from a similar culture and more recent immigrants from third world African countries where a rape culture is prevalent in some.

[fredwiggy]

11 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

At the end of the day we should be protecting as many females as possible so letting people like Jimmy, the church etc off the hook for so many years etc etc should not be overlooked.

It is a problem with our society that only encourages the foreigners to think they can also get away with it.

 

Huge outrage over the immigrants but an eerie silence on our own.

How many women are you protecting mainly targeting hookers for your sexual escapades, some of who might have been trafficked into that trade?

[jippytum]

4 hours ago, proton said:

 

Nobody believes the BBC these days pal, they are social activists not unbiased reporters. The Manchester Police are not a reliable source either as they have been complicit in the cover up. Braverman was right when she stated:

 

Home Secretary Suella Braverman made several comments about the ethnicity of abusers in high-profile gangs.

In the Mail on Sunday she said "the perpetrators are groups of men, almost all British-Pakistani".

To the BBC she said the gangs were "overwhelmingly" made up of British-Pakistani males.

 

During 2024    36,816 illegal immigrants predominantly muslim males entered the UK. Lower than 2022  when  45,756 illegals entered the country. Seems like open door to me.

 

[The Cyclist]

42 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Are Romani people Muslim or are you just leveraging this OP to attack Muslims in general? BTW HMG does not have an "Open Door" migration policy., that's just another right of centre meme. it is interesting that white British grooming gangs get little mention in UK media, no surprise. A reasonably balanced  article below sheds some light on the demographics of this type of crime.

 

A previous piece of research from 2015 found that of 1,231 perpetrators of "group and gang-based child sexual exploitation", 42% were white, 14% were defined as Asian or Asian British and 17% black.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-65174096

 

From your BBC link

 

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The Home Office clarified that she was talking about three of the most notorious grooming gang cases, from Rochdale, Rotherham, and Telford.

 

Oops, a few more

 

 

 

And the identities of the 550 arrested by the Taskforce set up in 2022 have not been released. But I will be shocked if they do not resemble the creatures in the mugshots above.

 

 

[johnnybangkok]

13 minutes ago, mokwit said:

This is absolute numbers not per capita. You have cherry picked a paragraph that you think suits your agenda.

 

For some reason you didn't cut and paste this from the article:

 

"Some studies suggest an over-representation of Black and Asian offenders relative to the demographics of national populations."

 

I have previously tried to get across to you the importance of looking at this based on per capita not absolute numbers but you refuse to acknowledge this either because it is against your agenda, or because you are too limited to grasp this concept (it is a university education level thing). The reason I say per capita is because I was formally taught to interpret data as a Science undergraduate and in a finance qualification.

 

So: you are hardly qualified/to be trusted to make a judgement on whether an article is balanced. The BBC is regarded by many/mostas having a pro immigration stance and to downplay grooming crimes.

 

I repeat things like this have to be looked on a per capita basis i.e percent of rapes vs percent of population. Quoting the number of rapes in absolute terms will almost certainly show the highest ethnic group will commit the highest number of low incidence crimes through sheer weight of numbers in the population.

 

Quoting on an absolute basis is a statistically unsound political strategy used to distort the data for the purpose of deflecting criticism of the number of per capita rapes committed by certain immigrant groups.

 

Lumping all 'Asians' together would distort the per capita number form a particular group of interest (Pakistani and Bangladeshi) as it would also include for example Chinese who might (almost certainly) have a much lower per capita offence rate. This is likely done deliberately to avoid showing the data in it's true light. Similarly black, doesn't distinguish between long established Afro Caribbean from a similar culture and more recent immigrants from third world African countries where a rape culture is prevalent in some.

If you'd bothered to read the thread properly, you will see I have already addressed this.

 

The information you are looking for is on page 38

 

https://www.csacentre.org.uk/app/uploads/2024/02/Trends-in-Offical-Data-2022-23-FINAL.pdf

 

Caveat - 'This overrepresentation is likely to be related to the overall under-identification of child sexual abuse in minority ethnic communities.' Something I think we are seeing a lot more of which in turn is fuelling the conversation. However you yourself are attempting to 'distort the data for the purpose of deflecting criticism of the number of per capita rapes committed by certain immigrant groups,' to highlight your own bias that this is higher in ethnic groups, which (so far) the numbers do not corroborate. 

[Watawattana]

On 1/11/2025 at 12:29 PM, hotandsticky said:

 

 

So....do you have evidence to support that ridiculous comment?

 

In the unlikely event that you were trying to be humorous, I recommend the use of smiley emoticons.

Are you for real?  I read your comment as saying there was no scum in UK before foreigners arrived. You surely are aware that crime existed before?  Stupid reply. 

[mokwit]

35 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

If you'd bothered to read the thread properly, you will see I have already addressed this.

 

The information you are looking for is on page 38

 

https://www.csacentre.org.uk/app/uploads/2024/02/Trends-in-Offical-Data-2022-23-FINAL.pdf

 

Caveat - 'This overrepresentation is likely to be related to the overall under-identification of child sexual abuse in minority ethnic communities.' Something I think we are seeing a lot more of which in turn is fuelling the conversation. However you yourself are attempting to 'distort the data for the purpose of deflecting criticism of the number of per capita rapes committed by certain immigrant groups,' to highlight your own bias that this is higher in ethnic groups, which (so far) the numbers do not corroborate. 

You have not addressed this'

 

From P38

 

The conviction ratio ranged from 62% for Black
defendants to 83% for White defendants. This
is likely to be related to the offences for which
people from different ethnic backgrounds were
prosecuted: image offences, which were more
likely to be the reason for White defendants to
be prosecuted, were more likely than most other
child sexual abuse offences to result in a conviction

 

We are talking about sexual assaults/grooming not all sexual offences including image offenses.

 

Was Huw Edwards convicted of sexual assault/ grooming?

 

from P35, and I think I can spot an error that makes me wonder about the whole reports accuracy.

Total child sexual abuse image prosecutions 3,305 2,983 90%
Sexual grooming 638 647 101%

 

 

You either you/they aren't capable of interpreting data or are being deliberately dishonest with an agenda on the assumption you can mislead.

 

Who funds csacentre? Looks to me that they sell courses:

https://www.csacentre.org.uk/courses/

 

[Woke to Sounds of Horking]

Grooming gangs seem to be trending!

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, Woke to Sounds of Horking said:

Grooming gangs seem to be trending!

Fahima Mahomed would call you racist if she heard you say that.....lol

 

This is Fahima Mahomed. She says the term 'grooming gangs' is racist.

 

[proton]

8 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Fahima Mahomed would call you racist if she heard you say that.....lol

 

This is Fahima Mahomed. She says the term 'grooming gangs' is racist.

 

 

It's not racist ,it's minimising the crime of raping schoolgirls by gangs of muslim Pakistanis.. Pakistani christians do not go in for it because the man they follow was not a pedophile and a rapist, Muhhamad was, according to Islamic scripture.

[simple1]

2 hours ago, The Cyclist said:

 

From your BBC link

 

<snipped for brevity> I assumed my post would gather lots of comments from the likes of you which only focus on Muslim offending whereas there is greater amount of this type of offending by non Muslim UK citizens. From memory the number of Muslim offenders for this type of offence is about 2% of the prison population, you can look up the stats to verify one way or the other. Sadly the socio economic sector from which the victims come and how they get exposed to manipulation tells it's own story, again from memory it's covered in the original Rotherham Inquiry. For the meantime from the BBC article which talks to another example of regrettable truth....

 

That string of cases, including the three quoted by Ms Braverman, involving non-white offenders has received widespread attention - especially from campaigners on social media.

The 2010 convictions of a group of white men, and a woman, for abusing 30 children in the Camborne area of Cornwall has received less attention.

[The Cyclist]

15 minutes ago, simple1 said:

I assumed my post would gather lots of comments from the likes of you

 

From the likes of me ?
 

Do you know me ?  Have we ever met ?

 

You know what that statement makes you, dont you ? A clopper.

 

15 minutes ago, simple1 said:

The 2010 convictions of a group of white men, and a woman, for abusing 30 children in the Camborne area of Cornwall has received less attention.

 

Whilst the perpetrators above would have from lamp posts if it was up to me.

 

Lets get a sense of perspective 30 children compared to at least 1200 in Rotherham alone 

 

Up to 1000 in Telford

 

Rochdale ongoing

 

Quote

A report by the deputy children's commissioner in 2012 said that 33% of child sex abuse by gangs in Britain was committed by British Asians, where Asians are 7% of the population, but concluded that it was "irresponsible" to dwell on the data.

 

No idea why you are trying to deflect and obfuscate😳😳

 

So British were these Asians ( mainly Pakistanis ) that the Oxford grooming gang case went through the whole Court case using interpreters.

 

As Jim Royale might say, British my A**e.

[Bkk Brian]

18 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

<snipped for brevity> I assumed my post would gather lots of comments from the likes of you which only focus on Muslim offending whereas there is greater amount of this type of offending by non Muslim UK citizens. From memory the number of Muslim offenders for this type of offence is about 2% of the prison population, you can look up the stats to verify one way or the other. Sadly the socio economic sector from which the victims come and how they get exposed to manipulation tells it's own story, again from memory it's covered in the original Rotherham Inquiry. For the meantime from the BBC article which talks to another example of regrettable truth....

 

That string of cases, including the three quoted by Ms Braverman, involving non-white offenders has received widespread attention - especially from campaigners on social media.

The 2010 convictions of a group of white men, and a woman, for abusing 30 children in the Camborne area of Cornwall has received less attention.

You're just not getting this are you. The reason this is in the headlines all over the place is because there are thousands of cases that are not in the stats because they were deliberately covered up or ignored.

 

Thousands of victims with zero justice because the police, social workers and politicians blocked and investigations because the perpetrators were Pakistani Muslim. 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

5 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

Most sexual assaults on our women are committed by white males born in England.

 

 

Try telling that to the thousands of young white girls and children that have been abused, tortured and raped by the Pakistani Muslim rape gangs in Oxford, Rotherham, Telford, Rochdale, Oldham, Huddersfield, Newcastle, Bradford, Dewsbury, Keighley, Peterborough, and all the other areas of the 50 that have been identified as having Pakistani rape gangs operating.

 

 

[proton]

38 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

<snipped for brevity> I assumed my post would gather lots of comments from the likes of you which only focus on Muslim offending whereas there is greater amount of this type of offending by non Muslim UK citizens. From memory the number of Muslim offenders for this type of offence is about 2% of the prison population, you can look up the stats to verify one way or the other. Sadly the socio economic sector from which the victims come and how they get exposed to manipulation tells it's own story, again from memory it's covered in the original Rotherham Inquiry. For the meantime from the BBC article which talks to another example of regrettable truth....

 

That string of cases, including the three quoted by Ms Braverman, involving non-white offenders has received widespread attention - especially from campaigners on social media.

The 2010 convictions of a group of white men, and a woman, for abusing 30 children in the Camborne area of Cornwall has received less attention.

 

Just the sort of deflection a muslim would post, 30 cases against 250.000 rapes by muslims is rather a meaningless attempt at an excuse for the disgusting actions of Pakistani muslims in the UK over the past 25 years. Offended by everything ashamed of nothing seems to fit your posts very well. 

[candide]

2 hours ago, proton said:

 

It's not racist ,it's minimising the crime of raping schoolgirls by gangs of muslim Pakistanis.. Pakistani christians do not go in for it because the man they follow was not a pedophile and a rapist, Muhhamad was, according to Islamic scripture.

You should write: Pakistani Christian don't go in for it because they don't follow the example of Christian clergymen! 😆

[proton]

6 minutes ago, candide said:

You should write: Pakistani Christian don't go in for it because they don't follow the example of Christian clergymen! 😆

 

Dear oh dear you are scrapping the bottom of the barrel, do you have any examples of Catholic priests in Pakistan abusing children? The filthy life of Muhammad is the main reason muslims are raping schoolgirls in the UK. They see this pedophile and rapist as the perfect man.

[candide]

Just now, proton said:

 

Dear oh dear you are scrapping the bottom of the barrel, do you have any examples of Catholic priests in Pakistan abusing children? The filthy life of Muhhmad is the main reasons muslims are raping schoolgirls in the UK. 

The topic is about UK, not Pakistan.

I was being facetious, of course! However there have been several cases of paedophilia in both the Catholic Church and the Church of England. So no religion is exempt of paedophilia, and certainly not the Chritian religion.

 

As to your repeated claim, it's absolutely ridiculous. Rape is clearly a crime in Islamic law.

[Eloquent pilgrim]

9 minutes ago, candide said:

Rape is clearly a crime in Islamic law.

 

Unless, of course the victims are young British white caucasian children, then they get a free pass; or if it is one of their prepubescent nieces, but you know that already, don’t you  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

 

[candide]

1 minute ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Unless, of course the victims are young British white caucasian children, then they get a free pass; or if it is one of their prepubescent nieces, but you know that already, don’t you  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

 

These guys are scums. They don't follow the precepts of their religion, just like the pedo clergymen did not follow the precepts of their religion.

[jvs]

I know a little bit about Sharia law,let these people be judged and sentenced by their own law?

The do tend to be a bit brutal but ok with me in cases like this.

Depending on the country of course but painful for sure!

 

[candide]

35 minutes ago, jvs said:

I know a little bit about Sharia law,let these people be judged and sentenced by their own law?

The do tend to be a bit brutal but ok with me in cases like this.

Depending on the country of course but painful for sure!

 

In Pakistan, unless maybe if they are able to offer a high sum of money, they will likely be killed by the familly (they may kill the victim too...).

[Eloquent pilgrim]

40 minutes ago, jvs said:

I know a little bit about Sharia law,let these people be judged and sentenced by their own law?

 

And how exactly would that work; these rapists are well known within their  own communities, and everyone in their local mosque know who they are and nobody criticises them; and herein lies a massive part of the problem because others in their communities would never dream of reporting them to the police, so they operate with impunity.

 

They are not only exempted from Sharia law because their victims are infidels, but they are the ones that actually control what happens within their communities.

 

You might know a bit about Sharia law (what you have read no doubt) but you do not seem to know anything at all about how the insular Muslim communities in the UK operate, and the hierarchal structure of the men controlling them.

 

 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

1 hour ago, candide said:

These guys are scums. They don't follow the precepts of their religion, just like the pedo clergymen did not follow the precepts of their religion.

 

What is it with you people on the left that you cannot allow any criticism of any Muslim, or Islam, without a whataboutery proviso ?

I replied to your comment that rape is a crime in Islamic law, but you just had to then deflect in your subsequent reply to introduce pedo (sic) clergymen into the discussion.

 

You did the same thing in earlier replies to other posters; it seems you are prepared to resort to any amount of deflection to avert the focus from the vile Pakistani Muslim rapists; what is your agenda in doing this ?

 

 

 

 

 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

1 hour ago, candide said:

In Pakistan, unless maybe if they are able to offer a high sum of money, they will likely be killed by the familly (they may kill the victim too...).

 

 

But this is not in Pakistan is it, and they would never rape a Muslim child; all the victims of these Pakistani Muslim rape gangs have been either white Caucasians or Hindus or Sikhs.

 

Ironic you claiming what would happen in Pakistan when in an earlier reply to proton you said “The topic is about UK, not Pakistan”

 

 

 

 

 

[candide]

24 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

 

But this is not in Pakistan is it, and they would never rape a Muslim child; all the victims of these Pakistani Muslim rape gangs have been either white Caucasians or Hindus or Sikhs.

 

Ironic you claiming what would happen in Pakistan when in an earlier reply to proton you said “The topic is about UK, not Pakistan”

 

 

 

 

 

I was not replying to you. My reply was in coherence with the post I quoted.

[candide]

31 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

What is it with you people on the left that you cannot allow any criticism of any Muslim, or Islam, without a whataboutery proviso ?

I replied to your comment that rape is a crime in Islamic law, but you just had to then deflect in your subsequent reply to introduce pedo (sic) clergymen into the discussion.

 

You did the same thing in earlier replies to other posters; it seems you are prepared to resort to any amount of deflection to avert the focus from the vile Pakistani Muslim rapists; what is your agenda in doing this ?

 

 

 

 

 

What is your source stating that, according to the Islamic law, it's ok to rape non-Muslim kids?