They love Trump, but many on the right loathe the Israel-Hamas ceasefire deal he demanded

[Nick Carter icp]

5 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

I guess next you will tell us that on 6th October Israelis and Palestinians lived peaceful together with equal rights and all that.

Yeah, sure, and then suddenly those bad Palestinians had this idea to kill Israelis out of the blue and without any provocation... 

 

   Your guess is wrong , no I will not be telling you that .

BTW , Gazans are not Israeli citizens so of course they do not have the same rights as Israeli citizens 

[Social Media]

This topic is not about the historical conflict but is about the war "al aqsa flood" that was started by Hamas with their massacre and invasion of Israel on Oct 7th 2023. The topic is about the current ceasefire of that war with regards to Trump.

 

They love Trump, but many on the right loathe the Israel-Hamas ceasefire deal he demanded

[theblether]

So what is it? Is it Trump's deal or is it Biden's deal? 

 

It's Biden's deal, proposed long ago. 

 

Hezbollah got wrecked in Lebanon and Hamas panicked as they fantasised that Hezbollah could launch a counter-attack against Israel. As someone else put it, they realised that the cavalry wasn't coming. 

 

What a lot of fools fail to calculate is that Trump said - you better do a deal before!!! I take office. He wanted a deal under the Biden Presidency. 

 

No one is arguing that Trump's clarity wasn't useful. But it's still not his deal as what he demanded - the return of all hostages - is not happening. 

 

AFAIC Trump knows this deal is a mess but if 33 hostages are released tomorrow he'll be delighted. And the Israeli right will be drowned out by the celebration. But Trump still has his finger on the trigger. The rest of the hostages better be released rapidly or Hamas will discover that what happened to Hezbollah was only a foretaste of what is to come. 

[Cryingdick]

Hamas can't possibly release the hostages. If they do there is no reason not to kill all of them after that happens. As far as the prisoners being released go it actually works out. They can join Hamas and then Israel can kill all of them. No way does Hamas honor this, it would be their death warrant.

[still kicking]

38 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

Hamas can't possibly release the hostages. If they do there is no reason not to kill all of them after that happens. As far as the prisoners being released go it actually works out. They can join Hamas and then Israel can kill all of them. No way does Hamas honor this, it would be their death warrant.

Sick 

[Cryingdick]

Just now, still kicking said:

Sick 

 

I didn't make the rules. 

[Nick Carter icp]

53 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

Hamas can't possibly release the hostages. If they do there is no reason not to kill all of them after that happens. As far as the prisoners being released go it actually works out. They can join Hamas and then Israel can kill all of them. No way does Hamas honor this, it would be their death warrant.

 

   Israel will sign agreements and adhere to those agreements , as they have done previously 

[Cryingdick]

23 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Israel will sign agreements and adhere to those agreements , as they have done previously 

 

Hamas won't. It can't. It is a terrorist organization trying to find a future. There is no future for terrorist organizations. It is the same as any other hostage situation you try to get the hostages out and promise whatever it takes. As soon as the hostages are safe it's game over for the hostage taker. Suddenly they don't bring you water and sandwiches and you end up dead or in prison. Simple as that.

[simple1]

17 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

The deal involves giving a 2 year old baby back to its Parents 

Palestinians will be handing back a baby that they have been holding for 15 months .

   Palestinians will not even let the Parents know whether they baby is dead or alive .

   They don't know whether their baby will be dead or alive .

That is the people whom you are dealing with .

Inhumane .

A subspecies, IMO

 

Using the word "subspecies" to describe a people (Palestinians) - a term from the Nazi era - is hate speech and unlawful in any Western democracy and totally inappropriate for this forum

[simple1]

8 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

Hamas can't possibly release the hostages. If they do there is no reason not to kill all of them after that happens. As far as the prisoners being released go it actually works out. They can join Hamas and then Israel can kill all of them. No way does Hamas honor this, it would be their death warrant.

 

It has already been reported that Hamas are rebuilding their "fighters" to replace those killed and seriously injured. Unless Israel and a Palestinian led group can reach a diplomatic solution and Palestinian enforcement capability there will be ongoing killing and destruction. Personally I believe a Two State solution is now unachievable (700,000 Israelis in the West Bank), obviously requires a strategic revaluation to finally have a pathway for lasting peace. Perhaps ceding Area C to the Israelis - Realpolitik. 

[Ben Zioner]

We shall never forgive De Gaulle.

 

Now Trump..

 

Israel must build its own weapon systems.

[connda]

They love Trump, but many on the right loathe the Israel-Hamas ceasefire deal he demanded

 

Israel will be back to leveling the rest of Gaza in no time flat.  Guaranteed.

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58 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Using the word "subspecies" to describe a people (Palestinians) - a term from the Nazi era - is hate speech and unlawful in any Western democracy and totally inappropriate for this forum

Actually not illegal in all Western democracies. The US, as least, affords its citizens has very strong right of free speech, thanks to the  1st Amendment. But your main point is correct. The opinion voiced by Nick Carter would be unremarkable if voiced by a Nazi. And, unfortunately, not at all uncommon nowadays among Israelis. Even before the Oct 7 massacre.