Ceasefire in Ukraine.

[candide]

16 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Remember Trump won the popular vote too, along with everything else.... so its not 'most' 

Most does not only includes U.S. voters.

[jas007]

5 minutes ago, candide said:

A lame propaganda argument. NATO has not brought missiles closer to Russian border since the cold war. Thet stayed where they were and there was no intent to bring them closer.

https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/nuclear-weapons-europe-mapping-us-and-russian-deployments

And Russia is supposed to base its foreign policy on someone's interpretation of NATO's "intent"? 

[candide]

1 minute ago, jas007 said:

Moat of those numbers are ancient history at this point and don't necessarily reflect the whole story.  There's more to the story than spreadsheets reflect.  That's why Wall Street misses all the disruptive technologies that come along.  The analysts have no vision. They can only see typical investment metrics. 

 

Look at all the people who lost billions trying to short Tesla. Or, look at IBM. IBM once thought all the profits to be made on personal computers would come from the hardware. Or, remember when Bill Gates went to see Ross Perot to try to sell him Microsoft?  The businessman, Ross Perot, passed on 75 million dollars.  

 

Anyway, if you think Musk got cheated when he bought Twitter, you might want to think again. Mainstream media is dying.  And there will be a replacement. 

Yet, these are the available facts. You may, or may not, be right about the future of twitter/X. It 's not fact yet.

[candide]

2 minutes ago, jas007 said:

And Russia is supposed to base its foreign policy on someone's interpretation of NATO's "intent"? 

Facts. It seems you don't like them.

There had been no attempt to bring missiles closer to Russia. NATO could have put missiles in Poland etc, it would have been just as dangerous for Russia as in Ukraine. It didn't. There was no plan to do so. Not an indicator of threat.

Apart from the U.S., the share of NATO countries' defense budgets have been declining over decades. They have been criticized as being too weak and peace oriented. Not an indicator of threat.

U.S. military presence in Europe has been declining for decades. Not an indicator of threat.

 

This is just Russian propaganda.

[Hawaiian]

1 hour ago, frank83628 said:

So 14000 ethnic Russian in donbass region were not murdered over the 10 years since the coup, or Azov exists?

In the 10 years you refer to it is estimated over 14,000 people were killed, but most were armed fighters and not civilians.  How convenient for you to use "murdered" in delivering your pro-Russian message.  It was the pro-Russian fighters and not the Azov battalion that killed innocent Ukrainian civilians.  You need to get your facts straight.

[candide]

Trump has decided to show his strength to Russia!

 

"IT'S ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE. If we don't make a 'deal,' and soon, I have no other choice but to put high levels of Taxes, Tariffs, and Sanctions on anything being sold by Russia to the United States, and various other participating countries," Trump added.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-warns-putin-hell-next-164849382.html

 

Ahem! What does the U.S. currently imports from Russia? 🙂

[frank83628]

23 minutes ago, candide said:

Most does not only includes U.S. voters.

another thread here talks of the rise in the right wing in general, so definitely not 'most', after the last 4 years of Biden, the diversity BS in UK, illegal immigration all over EU, you are possible the 'minority' or soon to be..... 

[frank83628]

9 minutes ago, candide said:

Trump has decided to show his strength to Russia!

 

"IT'S ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE. If we don't make a 'deal,' and soon, I have no other choice but to put high levels of Taxes, Tariffs, and Sanctions on anything being sold by Russia to the United States, and various other participating countries," Trump added.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-warns-putin-hell-next-164849382.html

 

Ahem! What does the U.S. currently imports from Russia? 🙂

Here is exactly what was written so nothing can be cherry picked

[frank83628]

17 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

In the 10 years you refer to it is estimated over 14,000 people were killed, but most were armed fighters and not civilians.  How convenient for you to use "murdered" in delivering your pro-Russian message.  It was the pro-Russian fighters and not the Azov battalion that killed innocent Ukrainian civilians.  You need to get your facts straight.

So the pro Russian fighters killed their own? Haha, And you say I need to get my facts right!

[Hawaiian]

10 minutes ago, candide said:

Trump has decided to show his strength to Russia!

 

"IT'S ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE. If we don't make a 'deal,' and soon, I have no other choice but to put high levels of Taxes, Tariffs, and Sanctions on anything being sold by Russia to the United States, and various other participating countries," Trump added.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-warns-putin-hell-next-164849382.html

 

Ahem! What does the U.S. currently imports from Russia? 🙂

  $4.9  billion worth in 2023. https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/imports/russia

[candide]

11 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

another thread here talks of the rise in the right wing in general, so definitely not 'most', after the last 4 years of Biden, the diversity BS in UK, illegal immigration all over EU, you are possible the 'minority' or soon to be..... 

Well, as he's now President and there's been no ceasefire before that, everyone with a brain is able to find out he was lying.

[candide]

12 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Here is exactly what was written so nothing can be cherry picked

It confirms what I quoted. Thank you.

[Hawaiian]

11 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

So the pro Russian fighters killed their own? Haha, And you say I need to get my facts right!

Evidently reading comprehension is not one of your skills.  Go play your games with someone with your level of mentality.

[transam]

2 hours ago, frank83628 said:

The thread is about Ukrainian and the possible ceasefire, stop trying to steer it off topic by relentlessly bombarding it with  your cretinous comments. 

 

I know, absolutely pointless getting you to understand anything, typical Trump voter and Putin fanboy...🤕

[candide]

7 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

  $4.9  billion worth in 2023. https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/imports/russia

In 2023, about 423.9 billion U.S. dollars worth of goods were exported from Russia. So it's around 1% of Russia's exports.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/263663/export-of-goods-from-russia/

[frank83628]

19 minutes ago, transam said:

I know, absolutely pointless getting you to understand anything, typical Trump voter and Putin fanboy...🤕

 

Have you been left unattended at the computer again

[transam]

7 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

 

Have you been left unattended at the computer again

I am lucky, unlike you, I do not have a murdering tyrant controlling me.....

[jas007]

1 hour ago, candide said:

Yet, these are the available facts. You may, or may not, be right about the future of twitter/X. It 's not fact yet.

"Available facts."  For sure, those are the typical metrics.  But really, just someone's ideas about how to view or measure a business.  The so-called "facts" don't prove much, other than they show what they show.  At one point, those particular "facts" meant something to someone. But don't think for a minute they tell the whole story. 

 

Real life is more like a kaleidoscope.  Every twist gives you a new perspective.  Attach yourself to the "facts" of the past, or try to see how the world is evolving. Your choice. 

[frank83628]

39 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

Evidently reading comprehension is not one of your skills.  Go play your games with someone with your level of mentality.

I can read perfectly well, I said Azov killed ethnic Russians in donbas region, that's who I was referring. 

[bannork]

1 hour ago, frank83628 said:

Here is exactly what was written so nothing can be cherry picked

Donald talking nonsense as usual.

24-27 million Russians died in WW2, not nearly 60 million.

8 million Ukrainians died fighting the Nazis, by the way.

Good to see Donald claims the Russian economy is failing, or is he brainwashed by the mainstream media, lol?

 

[Hawaiian]

38 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

I can read perfectly well, I said Azov killed ethnic Russians in donbas region, that's who I was referring. 

The problem is that do not comprehend what you read.  Big difference or have you not comprehended?  You also have serious memory and writing problems.  You did not write what you claim and thus don't remember what you wrote.  Go get help and not from Putin.

[Yagoda]

33 minutes ago, transam said:

Strange how in your opinion we all have a problem regarding yourself, hmmmmm....

Yap yap yap

[scottiejohn]

1 minute ago, Yagoda said:

Yap yap yap

That bloody yapping dog has got loose again.  I wish a human would take over it's replies!

[frank83628]

4 hours ago, transam said:

I am lucky, unlike you, I do not have a murdering tyrant controlling me.....

Unfortunately I cannot put you  on ignore from my phone.. I am charging my laptop asap

[bannork]

Russian reaction to Trump's threat of sanctions

 

[thaibeachlovers]

20 hours ago, frank83628 said:

I never said it wasn't, but it shows the Russian side of the story. And no mention there

 

Uf you feel so strongly..Why don't you go and do your bit for the west too.

It's so much safer wanting other people to die to defeat Putin than actually going himself.

So many war mongers on here that probably never wore military issue boots in their life. I'd accept it even if they only served in the catering corps, but hiding behind a computer screen and demanding other people go in harms way doesn't cut it.

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It's so much safer wanting other people to die to defeat Putin than actually going himself.

So many war mongers on here that probably never wore military issue boots in their life. I'd accept it even if they only served in the catering corps, but hiding behind a computer screen and demanding other people go in harms way doesn't cut it.

Were the allies which included the USSR who fought against Nazi Germany war mongers?

[Jingthing]

3 hours ago, bannork said:

Russian reaction to Trump's threat of sanctions

 

The thing about Trump is that loyalty is a one way street to him.

He does whatever benefits him at the moment.

He has no problem throwing anyone under the bus at any time.

Including people who been loyal to him for decades.

Russia thought they had "their" Trump in the bag.

But if it helps Trump to throw Russia under the bus more than throwing Ukraine under the bus, that's what he's gonna do.

Not predicting how this is ultimately is going to turn out, but as far as Trump's behavior, it's not really hard to read that.

[impulse]

19 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Were the allies which included the USSR who fought against Nazi Germany war mongers?

 

Did the quality of life for the Crimean people go up or down from 2014?

 

It's not 1938, Putin isn't Hitler, and this isn't a war of ethnic cleansing to enslave Ukrainians and create living space for Russkies.

 

 

[Hawaiian]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It's so much safer wanting other people to die to defeat Putin than actually going himself.

So many war mongers on here that probably never wore military issue boots in their life. I'd accept it even if they only served in the catering corps, but hiding behind a computer screen and demanding other people go in harms way doesn't cut it.

I served 23 years in the U.S. Navy and Naval Reserves not wanting to go to war, but prepared for it. I'm in favor of compulsory national service, either military or civilian.