Thaksin Reveals PM's Anti-Pollution Plan Initiated from Davos

[Drumbuie]

3 hours ago, Aussie999 said:

"Soaking" it, ok, how does this remove the stubble,  it needs ploughing in... also, it's dry season, where does the water come from.

Again we see words, with little, actually  no, thought on how to achieve it.

What's tragic is I bet the same farmers are paying for fertiliser when they could be composting, or ploughing in, that stubble and enriching their soil for nothing. 

 

I put all waste vegetable matter ( including coffee grounds) into a rotating composter and it's a matter of weeks before it's usable soil.

[connda]

12 hours ago, Will B Good said:

 

They need Jim.....he could fix it.

That's funny. 

[kingstonkid]

15 hours ago, CygnusX1 said:

You could replace all the fossil fuel power plants with nuclear plants or wind turbines, and all of the cars with EVs, and it would do very little to reduce PM2.5, which is almost all from agricultural burning, it’s called the burning season for a reason. Outside the burning season, the air at least outside Bangkok is usually not too bad, it’s the ag burning that causes air pollution throughout the whole country.

 

Don't forget all the shops that cook food open air.  The other challenge is that they have the big buldings on sides of streets and no air pushing the smog through.  

 

There ar a lot of issues with the biggest being stalled traffic.  

[rumeaug]

15 hours ago, blaze master said:

What a joke these people are. This is crimes against humanity.

 

Air is a pretty needed thing by humans.

 

Pathum thani today...

is this how London looked like in Dickensian times, about 175 years ago....

[spidermike007]

Progressive reform on burning - green harvesting

https://youtu.be/thXstqQcdQ4?si=yExPfXaED66a4vyP

 

This is an absolute travesty, and fall squarely on the tiny shoulders of the do nothing PM. They're absolute unwillingness to do anything about this situation is an abomination and the list of things that could be done to address this problem are countless.

 

They could start by pulling over diesel vehicles spewing out enormous clouds of black smoke, but that would require the highway patrol to actually do some work, which they utterly refuse to do.

 

They could then get the provincial authorities to crack down on the heinous crop burning that's going on with sugar and rice, which is being perpetrated by farmers who have zero regard for their country nor their neighbors. Crack down on them hard and set an example. For the first offense with a small fine, much larger fines for a second offense and massive fines for the third offense. Word would get around and Farmers would start using more environment mentally friendly techniques even though they required more work. 

 

If the government cared one iota which they don't they would start convincing Farmers to switch crops and start moving away from 16th century crops like rice and sugar, moving toward more progressive crops which are potentially more profitable. If they felt the need to stick with rice and sugar they could educate the public on how those crops can be processed without burning, and subsidize the purchase of the required equipment. 

 

Then they can move on to tackle the sale of diesel vehicles, and the government's enthusiastic support of such. It is inane in this day and age. Most nations are moving away from diesel for good reasons. When they are not well maintained, they foul the air, with large, nasty particles. And who properly maintains their vehicle here?

 

[MikeandDow]

2 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Progressive reform on burning - green harvesting

https://youtu.be/thXstqQcdQ4?si=yExPfXaED66a4vyP

 

This is an absolute travesty, and fall squarely on the tiny shoulders of the do nothing PM. They're absolute unwillingness to do anything about this situation is an abomination and the list of things that could be done to address this problem are countless.

 

They could start by pulling over diesel vehicles spewing out enormous clouds of black smoke, but that would require the highway patrol to actually do some work, which they utterly refuse to do.

 

They could then get the provincial authorities to crack down on the heinous crop burning that's going on with sugar and rice, which is being perpetrated by farmers who have zero regard for their country nor their neighbors. Crack down on them hard and set an example. For the first offense with a small fine, much larger fines for a second offense and massive fines for the third offense. Word would get around and Farmers would start using more environment mentally friendly techniques even though they required more work. 

 

If the government cared one iota which they don't they would start convincing Farmers to switch crops and start moving away from 16th century crops like rice and sugar, moving toward more progressive crops which are potentially more profitable. If they felt the need to stick with rice and sugar they could educate the public on how those crops can be processed without burning, and subsidize the purchase of the required equipment. 

 

Then they can move on to tackle the sale of diesel vehicles, and the government's enthusiastic support of such. It is inane in this day and age. Most nations are moving away from diesel for good reasons. When they are not well maintained, they foul the air, with large, nasty particles. And who properly maintains their vehicle here?

 

Good post BUT! you need 1 a goverment for the people by the people !!  2 Goverment officals who care !! 3 a police force willing to do there job !!  None of this is in thailand

[lordgrinz]

Kasikorn Research Centre is predicting 3-6 billion baht economic impact if the pollution persists for a month. Hopefully our globe-trotting PM gets at least that much commitment during her Davos junket. 

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/business/economy/40045490

 

[Will B Good]

As of January 25, 2025, at 5:00 AM local time, the Air Quality Index (AQI) in Davos, Switzerland, is 53

 

As of January 25, 2025, at 11:00 AM local time, the Air Quality Index (AQI) in Bangkok, Thailand, is 164, 

 

I know where I would rather be......though I'm surprised Davos is 53.

[CygnusX1]

2 hours ago, kingstonkid said:

Don't forget all the shops that cook food open air.  The other challenge is that they have the big buldings on sides of streets and no air pushing the smog through.  

 

There ar a lot of issues with the biggest being stalled traffic.  

That’s true, and it isn’t pleasant to be strolling along Sukhumvit Road when an ancient bus spewing black smoke goes past, but there’s stalled traffic and street stalls frying meat the whole year, but we only seem to get consistently high levels of air pollution in entire large regions of the country, well outside Bangkok, at this time of year.

[CygnusX1]

33 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

I know where I would rather be......though I'm surprised Davos is 53.

Emissions from all the private jets flying in the delegates to the World Economic Forum?

[digger70]

20 hours ago, webfact said:

Thaksin Shinawatra, made the announcement today while rallying support for a local candidate in Sisaket. 

So Why In Satans Name is Thaksin  Speaking For the PM ? 

Get Rid of Him. Put him Back in Jail.

[Aussie999]

3 hours ago, Drumbuie said:

What's tragic is I bet the same farmers are paying for fertiliser when they could be composting, or ploughing in, that stubble and enriching their soil for nothing. 

 

I put all waste vegetable matter ( including coffee grounds) into a rotating composter and it's a matter of weeks before it's usable soil.

You don't get something from nothing, ie they still need to add some fertiliser.

[terje johnsen]

The reasons goverment not do anything with the bruning is that they are afraid of losing voters. The party that have the prime minister was voted in by farmers and punish them is like losing power. If goverment wanted to do anything they just have to tell police to do their Job and they not do that. 

[Will B Good]

14 minutes ago, CygnusX1 said:

Emissions from all the private jets flying in the delegates to the World Economic Forum?

 

 

Good call...!!!

[Will B Good]

9 hours ago, runamok27 said:

Natural gas burns extremely clean. That's not the problem.

 

 

So there's no CO₂

[fondue zoo]

Everyone, it's okay, the people that matter, and their families, won't be back from Davos until the air is breathable again.

 

In fact where is everyone else? Do the high born breathe the same air as the low born right now?

[KannikaP]

23 hours ago, CygnusX1 said:

You could replace all the fossil fuel power plants with nuclear plants or wind turbines, and all of the cars with EVs, and it would do very little to reduce PM2.5, which is almost all from agricultural burning, it’s called the burning season for a reason. Outside the burning season, the air at least outside Bangkok is usually not too bad, it’s the ag burning that causes air pollution throughout the whole country.

According to my API app, 68 in Bangkok this morning, 149 in Bang Rakam, Phitsanulok. I can see it blotting out the horizon. 

Hope it's gone before tonight's Planetary Collusion.

[lordgrinz]

3 hours ago, fondue zoo said:

Everyone, it's okay, the people that matter, and their families, won't be back from Davos until the air is breathable again.

 

In fact where is everyone else? Do the high born breathe the same air as the low born right now?

 

I'm thinking we should gather all the waste the farmers are burning from them, then truck it to the Thaksin castle and burning it outside until the Emperor and his little princess choke to death.

[FritsSikkink]

He and his family had power for years, what did improve?

[Chomper Higgot]

The PM fronts a political party that relies on the votes of Thailand’s rural voters.

 

Add that to the power of a certain food conglomerate and it is clear nothing will be done. 
 

 

 

[DTL2014]

Can you imagine this country trying to phase out diesel? it hasnt even been mentioned ...in fact it is probably churning out more disel vehicles - i would say the minister fro transport has not done enough .free bus rides on those filthy ndiesel monters is the not the way forward - start by scrapping them - or convert to electric. Everybody in the world would like silent quiet Garbage trucks- why dont they start there??? waste to energy plants can even charge the things up ..

[kingstonkid]

20 hours ago, CygnusX1 said:

That’s true, and it isn’t pleasant to be strolling along Sukhumvit Road when an ancient bus spewing black smoke goes past, but there’s stalled traffic and street stalls frying meat the whole year, but we only seem to get consistently high levels of air pollution in entire large regions of the country, well outside Bangkok, at this time of year.

Yeah the other thing I noticed yesterday was watch where most of the traffic gets held up on Suk.  Under the BTS stations so there is no where for it to go. Hell even the bars that hve doors are closing them to keep it out. 

[tomazbodner]

Went to The Mall yesterday. Traffic was worse than before free public transport, and shopping mall was full of people buying air purifiers... Even most expensive models were going out the door which I honestly haven't seen before... But the cheaper, standard models... all sold out.

 

 

[fondue zoo]

I know they don't want to, money in the pocket and all that, and this nonsense they keep presenting about how traffic is somehow the cause, but only at this time of year somehow.

 

For the love of the Buddha, here government, let me google that for you:

https://www.made-in-china.com/price/sugar-cane-harvester-price_14.html?promoteCateCode=&cateCode=&businessType=&certification=&prop=&pageSize=20&order=&minOrder=&minProdPrice=&maxProdPrice=&auditedFlag=0&acc=8642081837-lxy&cpn=20797098137-157334412433&tgt=dsa-1643081832904&net=g&dev=c-&gid=CjwKCAiAtNK8BhBBEiwA8wVt9xLqbV0sw17b1X1QpX9y9EIy5z-Pw4ZHDzbHTaC9qXJU7hyTG8QPrhoC0YwQAvD_BwE&kwd=&mtp=&loc=9208894-&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiAtNK8BhBBEiwA8wVt9xLqbV0sw17b1X1QpX9y9EIy5z-Pw4ZHDzbHTaC9qXJU7hyTG8QPrhoC0YwQAvD_BwE

 

Here's a novel idea, support your own:

https://samartkasetyon.com/en/

 

 

[LivingNThailand]

On 1/25/2025 at 4:16 AM, geisha said:

Send photos and details to the BBC

And all other major newspapers around the world.

[LivingNThailand]

43 minutes ago, tomazbodner said:

Went to The Mall yesterday. Traffic was worse than before free public transport, and shopping mall was full of people buying air purifiers... Even most expensive models were going out the door which I honestly haven't seen before... But the cheaper, standard models... all sold out.

Two years ago I went to buy one an all sold out.  Including Lazada.  Last year I bought one early.   Very sad.

[tomazbodner]

38 minutes ago, LivingNThailand said:

Two years ago I went to buy one an all sold out.  Including Lazada.  Last year I bought one early.   Very sad.

I always stock up during rainy season when air is good. Plenty of stock and much lower prices.

[Joseph98765]

Less second phase of stimulus handout and invest that money to buy machines to crop sugar cane...FFS!!

[Will B Good]

On 1/26/2025 at 11:13 AM, tomazbodner said:

Went to The Mall yesterday. Traffic was worse than before free public transport, and shopping mall was full of people buying air purifiers... Even most expensive models were going out the door which I honestly haven't seen before... But the cheaper, standard models... all sold out.

 

 

 

Talking to German guy last week in BKK......he markets and sells domestic air filters....not sure what brand(s).

 

He said yes they work fine.......but there is just nothing to them.....the markup is incredible.

 

He said he was almost embarrassed at the profit levels!!

[Bundooman]

Is Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra going to make all government announcements from here on?