British Man Arrested in Thailand for 20-Year-Old UK Murder Case

[MicroB]

10 hours ago, MangoKorat said:

I tend to agree, its fine for us to sit here saying they could have done more. Thai's are taught to know their place and not to question those 'above' them.

 

If it was the other way around, we would no doubt have several means of communication, money to pay for an interpreter, for a lawyer and even for travel to Thailand.

 

If you're living in a shack in deepest Isaan and your only means of communication is a mobile phone, you're going to have a hard time contacting the British police.  The Thai police are extremely unlikely to give you any help either - they don't even deal with domestic problems properly. They also don't have the slightest interest in what happens abroad.

 

You may be terribly upset and want to know what's happened to your daughter but a poor Thai family with no contacts and little money would find what they'd need to do, virtually impossible.

 

 

I don't think they even had a phone. She called a neighbour who had one.

 

They raised a lot of money, for them, to pay someone to find their daughter, but that person promptly stole the lot. I feel very sorry for them.

[MicroB]

10 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

According to this article in the Sun (yes, I know) he intends to return to the UK to clear his name. 

 

Husband of ‘Lady of the Hills’ wants to ‘return to Britain to clear his name’ 21 YEARS after wife’s body was dumped

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/33045000/husband-lady-of-the-hills-return-to-britain/

 

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk./news/33045000/husband-lady-of-the-hills-return-to-britain/

 

 

His son and current girlfriend have apparently persuaded him. His daughter was killed in recent years, and he is now carer for his granddaughter. The article confirms he has reired. It seems he moved to Thailand 2006-2007.

[MicroB]

On 1/27/2025 at 9:34 AM, MangoKorat said:

On what charge?  His alleged offence was committed in the UK, Thailand has no jurisdiction over crimes committed in the UK.

 

Under Thai law, if the victim is a Thai national, they can charge. Similarly, English Law allows for the British authorities charge miscreants for crimes against British nationals outside of the UK.

[MicroB]

Her mum thinks he did it. Said he was an abusive man and that her daughter was naive.

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/news/general/40045592

[MangoKorat]

44 minutes ago, MicroB said:

 

Under Thai law, if the victim is a Thai national, they can charge. Similarly, English Law allows for the British authorities charge miscreants for crimes against British nationals outside of the UK.

OK but currently he has not been charged by either the Thai or English police.

[MangoKorat]

1 hour ago, MicroB said:

 

 

I don't think they even had a phone. She called a neighbour who had one.

 

They raised a lot of money, for them, to pay someone to find their daughter, but that person promptly stole the lot. I feel very sorry for them.

Thank you for that, ther are people here that don't think they cared what happened to their daughter.

[MangoKorat]

5 hours ago, Jabberwocky said:

Just go to a movie before it starts and watch what's happening.

 

"Family is everything" as long as you pay your share. Family loses interest often enough when s.o. who is supposed to support (e.g. their parents) doesn't do it. 

I don't know what type of Thai people you know but the ones I know are very tight and family is the most important thing to them.

[Old Croc]

On 1/28/2025 at 1:52 PM, MangoKorat said:

And in several of those posts I have stated that I believe its highly likely that Mr Armitage is guilty. 

For some reason you decided I did proclaim his guilt!

[MicroB]

On 1/29/2025 at 10:28 AM, Jabberwocky said:

That isn't valid anymore. Look at last election results. 

 

Even poor people can sit in front of embassies and stir up media.

 

I personally know of a case where not so poor people just convinced themselves that their daughter was dead, as she had left and never contacted them for 5 years. They never investigated until an NGO convinced her to return.

 

So there is more to it. It's the same characteristic which makes them so disinterested that they rather have dozens of children burned alive in buses that could be secure. They do not value individual life enough. 

 

 

I don't think they don't value human life, but look at it differently than a Westerner would.

 

My wife gets very sad when she talks about her dead parents and dead brothers, though its about how she is an orphan now, all alone. Her older brother had apparently gone to Malaysia to work as a fisherman but came back with HIV. When I ask her what happened to him, she doesn't know, but presumes he died.

 

A friend of hers had a a Swedish "husband". Not really a husband in the Western sense, we would probably say "partner", but to her, he was her husband, and they were together for 5 years. He went home, and died of cancer; I suspect he went home to try and get treated. Apparently he owned a house in Sweden, so I would suppose he had a bit of money, as he had a nice house in Thailand, and got his wife/girlfriend set up with a nice business inside a Tesco/Lotus complex.

 

She's not moved on to find another western "husband". Her husband has taken care of her even in death. His siblings gave her THB500,000 from his estate, and she seemed very happy with that, though I suspect they scammed her, because if  she would have been living in Sweden, she probably would have had more Rights. She has his photo, pride of place, in her lounge. And every year, gets the monks to come in to do a little ceremony.

 

Another has a living occasional British "husband". She was a bar girl, not too bright. He's apparently a builder from Yorkshire, and says he has no money. He sends her 5000 bht a month, and banned her from bar work. He comes over, when he come, has a fine time playing pool with his mates, while she makes sure his beer is kept topped up. She really doesn't work, because I've seen her begging in the street, or helping out at the noodle stands. She pesters my wife for a job, you won't give her one, as she's no good. She's obviously hanging out for this brickie to come to Thailand to live, to take care of her, and she would take care of him. Thats a pretty simple contract. Westerners, even non-religious ones, complicate it with vows, even made up ones.

 

The complexities of Thai parental relationships are irrelevant here; they didn't kill her. They are sad she has died. Their religion gives them solace in a way Western religions don't. We don't know what happened about Sin Sod. Did Armitage look this up, and say no, because his wife was "spoiled goods". And I don't really understand what becomes of the Parent-Daughter relationship if Sin-Sod is paid (my wife's parents are long dead). I think its not the same as for a Westerner.

 

 

[Jabberwocky]

18 hours ago, MicroB said:

if  she would have been living in Sweden, she probably would have had more Rights. 

I guess you are talking about women advanced in age who do not have too many choices, or in your other example of a rather unattractive one. Anyway, as the above wasn't married, she might have ended up with nothing and was clearly overpaid with a house in Thailand and half a million baht for a 5 year relationship. It would have taken me 10 years to spend such money with young freelancers, just to give a comparison.

 

In your other example you talk about a woman who wouldn't take other customers although she receives only 5000 Baht from a foreigner. Perhaps she is an exception from the rule. I saw dozens in my room in such situations. The 5000 (or even 20.000) were always wasted and they just did what they wanted, f... around and lied to their sponsors on the phone.

[newbee2022]

On 1/26/2025 at 9:14 AM, proton said:

Did not report her missing and told the kids she ran off with another man, very often the MO of a killer.

Obviously you know many killers personally. I don't 🙏

[Card]

"his case underscores the importance of international cooperation in tackling transnational crimes and bringing long- standing fugitives to justice."

 

Nice. Now for the Red Bull villain. Sure.

[jwl53]

On 1/26/2025 at 6:47 AM, Georgealbert said:

After confirming his identity, the Immigration Bureau deemed him a threat under Section 12(7) of the Thai Immigration Act, B.E. 2522, and revoked his residency permit.

Deemed him a threat to what? To who?

From what I understand the British government has not applied for extradition, there is something more to this story that we don't know about

[Old Croc]

On 1/30/2025 at 4:34 AM, MangoKorat said:

OK but currently he has not been charged by either the Thai or English police.

Why would the Thai authorities charge him for the murder even if they could do so legally?  Why go through the complexuties of extradition when they can simly cancel (and apparenty have done) his visa and expell him. Very few of us here actually have the safety of citizenship and could be subject to cancellation.

He was named in an Interpol blue notice indicating the Brits have a strong interest. It's up to them to charge him if they have evidence.

The Thais (and also other countries) use this route to expel international undesirables. Chinese dissidents and Russian gun runners come to mind.

[Andrew Dwyer]

Husband arrested over Thai woman's 2004 death https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2kpm7e15vo
 

He has been arrested on suspicion of murder upon arrival back in the U.K. 

[Mickboy]

Lamduan had moved to the UK to live with her British husband, David Armitage, and their two children

 

 

 

 

 

Where were the children amongst this morbid sad carry on

[chiman]

Wonder if they will coordinate for the debt collector? 

[BritManToo]

4 hours ago, Mickboy said:

Where were the children amongst this morbid sad carry on

His son is a teacher in Thailand.

His daughter died in a RTA a couple of years back.

Him and his new(ish) Thai partner are bringing up his dead daughters child.

 

Now he's gone, I wonder what will happen to his grandchild?

[geisha]

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

His son is a teacher in Thailand.

His daughter died in a RTA a couple of years back.

Him and his new(ish) Thai partner are bringing up his dead daughters child.

 

Now he's gone, I wonder what will happen to his grandchild?

It was on ITV news yesterday that he had been arrested.

[Quack]

On 1/26/2025 at 10:27 AM, smedly said:

notice I did not mention Thai police,  DNA  has been around a long time why did it take UK Police such a long time

 
Because matey, the British police does not have a database of the DNA of Thai citizens, so how could they hope to find a match?

[Quack]

On 1/26/2025 at 11:10 AM, Gottfrid said:

Is no evidence? How can they arrest him now, then?

I imagine they finally found some evidence, hence the move by the Thai cops to get him sent home for questioning 

[Gottfrid]

2 minutes ago, Quack said:

I imagine they finally found some evidence, hence the move by the Thai cops to get him sent home for questioning 

Yeah, that´s my belief too. 

[SanSaiExPat]

On 1/25/2025 at 11:24 PM, BritManToo said:

His VISA has been revoked, and he's awaiting deportation.

No arrest by the British authorities.

The Thais can do that to anyone of us at any time.

You live here at the whim of the Thai authorities.  You have no rights.

[MangoKorat]

According to the news tonight, Armitage was arrested when he arrived back in the UK. No charges were mentioned just that he is being held for questioning on suspicion of murder. No mention of new evidence. The lack of an extradition request suggests that there is no new strong evidence.

 

The normal time that he can be held for, without charge is 24 hours but in serious cases such as this the police may be granted extra time by a judge - up to 96 hours.

 

Given his record so far, I suspect he'll 'no comment' all questions so if there is no new evidence that's enough to convince the CPS to agree to charge, he could be out again tomorrow.

 

I wonder if he took any legal advice about the revocation of his residency?

[MicroB]

On 2/1/2025 at 4:07 AM, Jabberwocky said:

I guess you are talking about women advanced in age who do not have too many choices, or in your other example of a rather unattractive one. Anyway, as the above wasn't married, she might have ended up with nothing and was clearly overpaid with a house in Thailand and half a million baht for a 5 year relationship. It would have taken me 10 years to spend such money with young freelancers, just to give a comparison.

 

In your other example you talk about a woman who wouldn't take other customers although she receives only 5000 Baht from a foreigner. Perhaps she is an exception from the rule. I saw dozens in my room in such situations. The 5000 (or even 20.000) were always wasted and they just did what they wanted, f... around and lied to their sponsors on the phone.

 

Bloody hell, an actual sexpat.

[MicroB]

21 hours ago, jwl53 said:

Deemed him a threat to what? To who?

From what I understand the British government has not applied for extradition, there is something more to this story that we don't know about

 

The UK police issued an Interpol Bue Notice. Quite clever. No need for an extradition. Armitage would have had no choice, as n o country would want his with that hanging around.

[BritManToo]

11 minutes ago, MicroB said:

The UK police issued an Interpol Bue Notice. Quite clever. No need for an extradition. Armitage would have had no choice, as n o country would want his with that hanging around.

But rather unjust, as I would expect from the Brit police.

The extradition laws are in place for a reason.

[MicroB]

15 hours ago, BritManToo said:

His son is a teacher in Thailand.

His daughter died in a RTA a couple of years back.

Him and his new(ish) Thai partner are bringing up his dead daughters child.

 

Now he's gone, I wonder what will happen to his grandchild?

 

Lamduan had 5 sisters. So I doubt she will be on her own.