Promises made Promises kept , POTUS first few days! The lefts radical response!

[mogandave]

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

It's you that doesn't want to answer the question.

 

The topic is "Promises made, promises kept". You steadfastly refuse to acknowledge deporting illegal immigrant farm labor will result in higher costs of farm produce. Constant obfuscation.

 

Trump can't have it both ways. He can't fulfil his promise of deporting immigrants without produce prices being raised as a result.

 

So what do you want, immigrants deported or reduced prices? Most people seem to vote with their hip pockets.

Will lowering energy prices reduce produce prices?

[riclag]

White House press secretary says all

illegal immigrants arrested are criminals: “Thats what they are”

 The lefts reporter questioned her about this.

 

How many of the almost 4k had criminal records?

Her response,All of them, cause they broke the law!

 

The lefts reporter was under the impression authorities would just look the other way if illegal migrants were caught up in the process of arresting the most violent !

Mass deportation efforts, promises made promises kept.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-press-secretary-says-all-illegal-immigrants-arrested-criminals-thats-exactly-what-are

[Captain Flack]

A troll post and replies have been removed.

[LosLobo]

32 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

Show me where I defended Trump's position on lowering food prices.  You can't because I didn't.

OK, since lowering food prices was one of Trump’s key promises to secure re-election, does that mean his supporters were misled?

[candide]

2 hours ago, mogandave said:

What percentage of the cost of produce on market shelves do you think direct  labor represents? 

 

One could always eliminate income corporate taxes, that would reduce prices.

It depends of the type of crop and its level of automation

 39% for specialty crops to 4% for corn.

https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/charts-of-note/chart-detail?chartId=98569

[mogandave]

27 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

OK, since lowering food prices was one of Trump’s key promises to secure re-election, does that mean his supporters were misled?

No, it means his detractors are morons.

[candide]

1 hour ago, mogandave said:

Will lowering energy prices reduce produce prices?

If there is a wage increase, they will still be higher than without wage increase.

 

Energy prices are expected to decrease, according to a forecast made by the IEA last year. Oil price is expected to decrease to around $74/b in 2025, and $66/b in 2026. And it has nothing to do with drill   aby drill B.S. which is just a slogan for the gullible.

 

https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/steo/

[mogandave]

4 minutes ago, candide said:

It depends of the type of crop and its level of automation

 39% for specialty crops to 4% for corn.

https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/charts-of-note/chart-detail?chartId=98569

That’s just farm/ranch input costs, and does not include taxes, overhead or capital expenditures, which represent the bulk of their actual cost. It also includes all labor, not just direct labor. 

 

It (your link) also states that labor cost was

 second to fertilizer and chemical costs. 

 

The price at the farm/ranch is generally much less than the cost at the shelf, so at the end of the day, DL is  probably around 2-3%
 

A union sheet metal fabricating facility building HVAC products in Southern California only runs 10% direct labor.

 

 

 

 

[mogandave]

2 minutes ago, candide said:

If there is a wage increase, they will still be higher than without wage increase.

 

Energy prices are expected to decrease, according to a forecast made by the IEA last year. Oil price is expected to decrease to around $74/b in 2025, and $66/b in 2026. And it has nothing to do with drill   aby drill B.S. which is just a slogan for the gullible.

 

https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/steo/

The wage increase will benefit the poor. 

 

Cheaper strawberries and domestic help only benefits the rich. 

[mogandave]

I did some consulting for a company that was raided by immigration before covid. 

 

They lost about 70% of their DL workforce. 

 

In two months, that had had to more than double their starting pay. 

 

I was there to improve their efficiency on a few lines, and improve the working conditions. 

[candide]

4 minutes ago, mogandave said:

That’s just farm/ranch input costs, and does not include taxes, overhead or capital expenditures, which represent the bulk of their actual cost. It also includes all labor, not just direct labor. 

 

It (your link) also states that labor cost was

 second to fertilizer and chemical costs. 

 

The price at the farm/ranch is generally much less than the cost at the shelf, so at the end of the day, DL is  probably around 2-3%
 

A union sheet metal fabricating facility building HVAC products in Southern California only runs 10% direct labor.

 

 

 

 

As the source shows, the agricultural sector is not homogenous re, the use of manpower. The effect may vary between no effect for corn crops to a significant effect for specialty crops.

[mogandave]

14 minutes ago, candide said:

As the source shows, the agricultural sector is not homogenous re, the use of manpower. The effect may vary between no effect for corn crops to a significant effect for specialty crops.

And from operation to operation. What’s your point? Do you think it happens in a vacuum? Dude’s DL goes up, dude buys equipment to bring it down. 

 

Do you think the poor should make better money or not? 

 

Are you willing to pay a bit more for your strawberries to make that happen or not? 

 

 

 

[riclag]

Transparency , Promises made!
 

CIA JOINS FBI , Energy dept in backing

Wuhan Lab leak theory!

Radcliff had the info declassified !

Something the previous administration could of accomplished, transparency.

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6367839867112

 

[Lacessit]

27 minutes ago, candide said:

If there is a wage increase, they will still be higher than without wage increase.

 

Energy prices are expected to decrease, according to a forecast made by the IEA last year. Oil price is expected to decrease to around $74/b in 2025, and $66/b in 2026. And it has nothing to do with drill   aby drill B.S. which is just a slogan for the gullible.

 

https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/steo/

Many Americans don't seem to realize 50% of their oil comes from Canada. At a discount.

 

If Trump wants to start putting tariffs on Canada, what's to stop the Canadians from selling their oil elsewhere?

[mogandave]

18 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Many Americans don't seem to realize 50% of their oil comes from Canada. At a discount.

 

If Trump wants to start putting tariffs on Canada, what's to stop the Canadians from selling their oil elsewhere?

Trump wants to continue the Keystone XL pipeline with Canada that Biden cancelled, but thanks.

[candide]

16 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Many Americans don't seem to realize 50% of their oil comes from Canada. At a discount.

 

If Trump wants to start putting tariffs on Canada, what's to stop the Canadians from selling their oil elsewhere?

There are different options which may be combined:

- increase discounts, but it's unlikely that it may fully compensate for high tariffs,

- export to another country which will re-export to the U.S.,

- curtail production.

- let the CD devaluate, which will decrease export prices in USD, and increase import prices.

 

In any case, it will likely be less profitable/more costly for both Canada and the U.S.

 

The more general lesson from expected Trump's policies for any country, is that it's risky to be too dependent on the U.S.

[mogandave]

1 minute ago, candide said:

There are different options which may be combined:

- increase discounts, but it's unlikely that it may fully compensate for high tariffs,

- export to another country which will re-export to the U.S.,

- curtail production.

- let the CD devaluate, which will decrease export prices in USD, and increase import prices.

 

In any case, it will likely be less profitable/more costly for both Canada and the U.S.

 

The more general lesson from expected Trump's policies for any country, is that it's risky to be too dependent on the U.S.

Or just not put tariffs on oil.

[mogandave]

10 minutes ago, candide said:

There are different options which may be combined:

- increase discounts, but it's unlikely that it may fully compensate for high tariffs,

- export to another country which will re-export to the U.S.,

- curtail production.

- let the CD devaluate, which will decrease export prices in USD, and increase import prices.

 

In any case, it will likely be less profitable/more costly for both Canada and the U.S.

 

The more general lesson from expected Trump's policies for any country, is that it's risky to be too dependent on the U.S.

Do you support the Keystone XL pipeline or not? 

 

 

[candide]

2 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Or just not put tariffs on oil.

It depends on the objective. In case of tariffs war, if oil is excluded, it means that Canada can charge a higher amount of tariffs on U.S. exports than what the U.S. can charge on exports from Canada.

[LosLobo]

1 hour ago, mogandave said:

No, it means his detractors are morons.

 

4 hours ago, mogandave said:

Yes, “deporting undocumented immigrants could lead to rising prices,” if it’s done in a vacuum. Reducing energy costs will offset any cost increase due to labor.

Promises made Promises likely to be broken.
 

Drill-Baby-Drill will likely not offset any cost increase due to labor - possibly the only vacuum here is only in the non-detractors' heads.

Trump’s Inflation Fix Centers on Energy Emergency That Doesn’t Exist - The New York Times

'President Trump has put unleashing American energy production at the center of his economic agenda, saying that ramping up fossil fuel production will lower inflation and end a cost of living crisis that has seen prices rise for staples like apples, bacon and eggs'.

'But economists and analysts remain skeptical of Mr. Trump’s ability to influence energy costs — which are predominantly determined by global markets — and engineer an inflation cure-all'.

'Cheaper energy will not become a reality immediately, as new drilling projects can take years to bring online. In the meantime, some of Mr. Trump’s other plans could prove to be at odds with his ambitions to curb inflation'.

https://archive.md/C4SRB#selection-5085.0-5085.223

[candide]

10 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Do you support the Keystone XL pipeline or not? 

 

 

It depends whether environmental concerns are factored in or not.

 

The crucial question is now: is it in the interest of Canada to invest in order to increase its dependence on the U.S. market? Or would it be more appropriate to reduce its dependence by investing to increase its refining capacity, as well as its capacity to export oil by sea to other markets.

[Yellowtail]

1 hour ago, candide said:

It depends whether environmental concerns are factored in or not.

 

The crucial question is now: is it in the interest of Canada to invest in order to increase its dependence on the U.S. market? Or would it be more appropriate to reduce its dependence by investing to increase its refining capacity, as well as its capacity to export oil by sea to other markets.

Canada wants it, they have all along, and Biden cancelled it. 

 

Pipeline is the most environmentally method of transporting petroleum.  

[spot]

On 1/28/2025 at 1:18 PM, Will B Good said:

 

Don't you right wing swivel-eyed loons just love free speech.....

I must have touched a cognitively damaged nerve. 

[Yellowtail]

Well, the left is comparing the deportation of criminal illegal aliens to Nazi Germany and the Holocaust. 

[candide]

1 hour ago, LosLobo said:

 

Promises made Promises likely to be broken.
 

Drill-Baby-Drill will likely not offset any cost increase due to labor - possibly the only vacuum here is only in the non-detractors' heads.

Trump’s Inflation Fix Centers on Energy Emergency That Doesn’t Exist - The New York Times

'President Trump has put unleashing American energy production at the center of his economic agenda, saying that ramping up fossil fuel production will lower inflation and end a cost of living crisis that has seen prices rise for staples like apples, bacon and eggs'.

'But economists and analysts remain skeptical of Mr. Trump’s ability to influence energy costs — which are predominantly determined by global markets — and engineer an inflation cure-all'.

'Cheaper energy will not become a reality immediately, as new drilling projects can take years to bring online. In the meantime, some of Mr. Trump’s other plans could prove to be at odds with his ambitions to curb inflation'.

https://archive.md/C4SRB#selection-5085.0-5085.223

The other issue is that oil companies are not keen to invest in new drilling, in particular with the current price decrease trend. They are not going to shoot themselves in the foot by investing to reduce prices and their profits.

 

I guess that, as prices have started to decrease last year and will probably decrease in 2025. Trump will try to take credit for it and attribute it to the drill baby drill  B.S., even in the absence of significant new drilling. 

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, candide said:

The other issue is that oil companies are not keen to invest in new drilling, in particular with the current price decrease trend. They are not going to shoot themselves in the foot by investing to reduce prices and their profits.

 

I guess that as prices have started to decrease last year and will probably decrease in 2025.Trump will take credit for it and attribute it to the drill baby drill  B.S., even in the absence of significant new drilling. 

Opening more productive leases allows them to shutter low production leased and reduces their cost. 

 

If the price goes down, they have to increase production, or revenue goes down, and then stock prices go down, and bonuses go down. 

 

You act like there is only one company wanting to drill. There are thousands of companies wanting to drill and extract in the US. 

[Will B Good]

58 minutes ago, spot said:

I must have touched a cognitively damaged nerve. 

 

Think The Boys from Brazil and dig a little deeper....555

[Yellowtail]

Just now, Will B Good said:

 

Think The Boys from Brazil and dig a little deeper....555

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[bannork]

Donald flipflopped today.

On Monday he ordered a freeze on federal funding.

Today, Wednesday he rescinded the order.

lol, four years of chaos and stupidity ahead.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/white-house-revokes-spending-freeze-face-legal-challenges-2025-01-29/

[Hawaiian]

9 hours ago, LosLobo said:

OK, since lowering food prices was one of Trump’s key promises to secure re-election, does that mean his supporters were misled?

I am not familiar with the issue and the details of his promise to lower food prices.  The quickest way I I know to lower food prices is through price controls which eventually lead to shortages.  Not a smart move unless to address an extreme national emergency.  I don't think that situation exists today.