Looking forward do U.S. expats face the risk of retaliation by nations burned by Trump?

[gearbox]

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

To the title ...

(didn't read OP or the thread)

 

The USA is self sufficient, as can feed & energize itself.  It doesn't need any other country, so no repercussions would ever effect the USA.

 

The USSR was claiming the same thing....

[tai4de2]

46 minutes ago, connda said:

look at the amount of energy the US propaganda machine puts into demonizing all countries which competes with the US and the West on the world stage, which include Russia, China, Iran, DPRK, and perhaps any and all BRICS nations, but especially the first four.  A majority of Westerners viscerally hate the citizens from these countries sight unseen. The assumption but many Westerners is that Russians, Chinese, Persians, and North Koreans are sub-human and don't deserve the respect afforded to a cockroach.

 

This must be projection, or perhaps just a vast over-simplification, because it doesn't match my (extensive) experience -- at all. Westerners don't "viscerally hate the citizens" of those places.

 

As for Russia specifically, the only ones "demonizing" Russia and Russians are the "bbbbuuutttt Russia Russia Russia!" anti-Trumpers, most recently buttressed by the Ukraine grifters' agenda.

[gearbox]

28 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

  It did not take long for Filipinos to see Duterte's overtures to China was a major mistake.  Most Filipinos I know both here and in their home country have a special affinity for America.  I doubt that relationship will change anytime soon.

Affinity to America just accelerates the race of the Philippines to the bottom of ASEAN. They have been overtaken by Vietnam, Cambodia soon to follow.

[tai4de2]

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

Total isolation would be the best thing for the USA

 

This (or something like it).

 

Build a wall (physical or virtual) around the country and treat it like a fortress.

Have a rational immigration policy that invites people who can contribute to the USA to immigrate.

Organize for self-sufficiency -- energy, manufacturing, everything.

Pursue mutually beneficial trade relationships with other countries based on value we get, and not on propagating social justice.

[gearbox]

51 minutes ago, RubenRemus said:

Absolutely. Why should the EU view American passports, imports, or policies favorably while the MAGA hats wish them ill? Why should the Philippines not tilt to China if it becomes clear that the Americans are no better? All things change in time, and MAGA seems to be intent on rewrite all of the international norms at play -- of course there will be a reaction. 

The continental Europe seems to be in irreversible decline now. EU should realise that US is an enemy and competitor, and act accordingly. Handing over the Russian resources and market to China was a monumental mistake and act of self harm. They allowed China to push them out of Africa, a continent which is much closer to Europe than China.

 

Unfortunately the only forces which maybe able to fix this are the far right parties. They need to win the elections, clear the continent from American military presence, dismantle NATO and establish new EU security alliance, and start winning back the markets. Hopefully AFD will show some great numbers next month with the elections. However the main competitor - China is racing away, and the damage may be irreversible.

 

https://www.voanews.com/a/german-far-right-leader-questions-nato-membership-/7901894.html

[Hawaiian]

1 hour ago, gearbox said:

Affinity to America just accelerates the race of the Philippines to the bottom of ASEAN. They have been overtaken by Vietnam, Cambodia soon to follow.

Every year at least 20 typhoons hit the country.  This along with volcanic eruptions and earthquakes makes it difficult for the many Filipinos to stay afloat.  Some blame the culture with their "bahala na" philosophy, for stifling economic progress.  Others say rampant corruption doesn't help.  One thing unique about the Philippines is that it is the only Christian nation in Asia.

With that said can you please explain why you think that affinity to America is a stumbling block. 

[Hawaiian]

2 hours ago, tomazbodner said:

If this happened to more than one country, the others would simply decide to switch to using another system of trade that excludes US Dollar. If that happens, US economy would collapse in a week.

BRICS, led by China has tried replacing the USD without much luck, even after being joined by Brazil.

That is not to say the dollar is invincible, but for now it looks as if the dollar will remain the chief reserve currency for a while.

[illisdean]

5 hours ago, jimmybcool said:

Columbia prez tried to be macho and stand up to Trump. 

.....And got owned, humiliated in the process. Maybe he learned not to send illegal aliens to USA despite America hating Biden probably endorsing these illegal acts against a nations (his own nation) sovereignty.

 

Classic case of FAFO 

 

 

[Columbian President Gustavo Petro doesn't seem to want his people back. You know, the illegals Trump is deporting from our country even as we speak. Seems Petro is angry that we are treating criminals like ... criminals.]

 

Link Twitchy

[johnnybangkok]

2 hours ago, tai4de2 said:

 

He's upset that criminals are being handcuffed. Not coincidentally, this is the same pearl-clutching ruse the commie leftist potentates in Colombia and Brazil are trying to use to justify their deconstructionist faux outrage. They prefer decent people being victimized by crime, over criminal illegals being handcuffed on their repatriation flights -- or even apprehended at all!

 

Leftists gonna leftist. But we knew that. President Trump has a knack for exposing them for what they are. 🍿

And you MAGA brigade are so myopic in your view and so selective of your facts that you don't even know that the highest amount of illegal immigrants who committed a crime ever deported from the US was under Biden.   https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-deportations-rose-decade-high-fiscal-2024-outpacing-trump-years-2024-12-19/

 

Or that the highest number removed previous to this was under Obama at 2.5 Million between 2009 and 2015   https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obamas-deportation-policy-numbers/story?id=41715661

 

Illegal immigrants who committed crimes were already being sent home long before Trump jumped on the bandwagon. He just made it sound like nothing was being done about it so that people like yourself got all riled up and voted for him. Oldest trick in the book (demonising the many because of the few) and you all fell for it. 

[Yellowtail]

14 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Troll bait ignored. 

No, it wasn't. 

[Hawaiian]

3 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

And you MAGA brigade are so myopic in your view and so selective of your facts that you don't even know that the highest amount of illegal immigrants who committed a crime ever deported from the US was under Biden.   https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-deportations-rose-decade-high-fiscal-2024-outpacing-trump-years-2024-12-19/

 

Or that the highest number removed previous to this was under Obama at 2.5 Million between 2009 and 2015   https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obamas-deportation-policy-numbers/story?id=41715661

 

Illegal immigrants who committed crimes were already being sent home long before Trump jumped on the bandwagon. He just made it sound like nothing was being done about it so that people like yourself got all riled up and voted for him. Oldest trick in the book (demonising the many because of the few) and you all fell for it. 

Biden's open door policy opened the floodgates.  There were more criminals entering the country then being deported. Why because there was only a feeble attempt to round up all these criminals. Now the Trump administration is faced with the thankless (anti-Trumpers) job rounding them up and deporting the backlog.  There are some on AN calling these deportations inhumane and barbaric.  Barbaric is what you call some of the crimes committed by these terrible criminals.

[EVENKEEL]

4 hours ago, KhunLA said:

To the title ...

(didn't read OP or the thread)

 

The USA is self sufficient, as can feed & energize itself.  It doesn't need any other country, so no repercussions would ever effect the USA.

 

Total isolation would be the best thing for the USA ... IMHO

Especially if manufacturing returned, and the rest of the illegal immigrants got deported.

 

But that has to happen within the next 12 years, or it never will.

That's what the world needs to experience. 

[gearbox]

39 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

Every year at least 20 typhoons hit the country.  This along with volcanic eruptions and earthquakes makes it difficult for the many Filipinos to stay afloat.  Some blame the culture with their "bahala na" philosophy, for stifling economic progress.  Others say rampant corruption doesn't help.  One thing unique about the Philippines is that it is the only Christian nation in Asia.

With that said can you please explain why you think that affinity to America is a stumbling block. 

Philippines like the rest of ASEAN and most of the developing world needs solid infrastructure to move forward. At the moment only China is able to provide this relatively cheaply with very good quality. Alienating China is not a wise move. Look at the massive infrastructure the Chinese are building in Cambodia which would allow them to move ahead quicker. The new Phnom Penh airport would be better than many western airports. Vietnam is going to build high speed rail between Hanoi and Saigon, and is quite likely the Chinese would build it.

 

Now tell me what the US is going to deliver to the Philippines in this area? They can't even fix their own dilapidated infrastructure.

[Hawaiian]

12 minutes ago, gearbox said:

Philippines like the rest of ASEAN and most of the developing world needs solid infrastructure to move forward. At the moment only China is able to provide this relatively cheaply with very good quality. Alienating China is not a wise move. Look at the massive infrastructure the Chinese are building in Cambodia which would allow them to move ahead quicker. The new Phnom Penh airport would be better than many western airports. Vietnam is going to build high speed rail between Hanoi and Saigon, and is quite likely the Chinese would build it.

 

Now tell me what the US is going to deliver to the Philippines in this area? They can't even fix their own dilapidated infrastructure.

Where have you been?  Never heard of debt trap diplomacy perpetrated on Pakistan, Kenya, Zambia, Laos, Mongolia and now Vietnam and soon Thailand? 

I was in the Philippines during the 1980's when the US Aid program was in place.  The U.S. eventually abandoned the program because the Marcos government insisted that bribes be part of the package.  One of my relatives was a bag man who actually delivered the bribes.

[Liverpool Lou]

15 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Maga is for free speech only if it's pro maga speech.

And the Dems aren't!?

[Liverpool Lou]

15 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Maga is for free speech only if it's pro maga speech.

How has "Maga" limited anyone's free speech?

[Hawaiian]

18 minutes ago, gearbox said:

Philippines like the rest of ASEAN and most of the developing world needs solid infrastructure to move forward. At the moment only China is able to provide this relatively cheaply with very good quality. Alienating China is not a wise move. Look at the massive infrastructure the Chinese are building in Cambodia which would allow them to move ahead quicker. The new Phnom Penh airport would be better than many western airports. Vietnam is going to build high speed rail between Hanoi and Saigon, and is quite likely the Chinese would build it.

 

Now tell me what the US is going to deliver to the Philippines in this area? They can't even fix their own dilapidated infrastructure.

Who do you think built (after forcibly displacing local Cambodians) and operates the casinos in Cambodia with profits flowing back home?  The same people behind of human trafficking and call center scam operations.  The Philippine government just busted scam center with direct ties to China.  The head of this operation is said to be connected a Chinese national busted in Bangkok for a similar operation.  Are these the kind of people you would place your trust in?

[illisdean]

53 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

And you MAGA brigade are so myopic in your view and so selective of your facts that you don't even know that the highest amount of illegal immigrants who committed a crime ever deported from the US was under Biden. 

And 2M (million) know got-aways based on the porous Biden/Harris border based on destroying border security by removing Trumps effective secure border and immigration EO's and policies.

 

You know NOT what you are talking about. Of course Trump deported less, there were less illegals due to his effective border and immigration policies many of which Biden trashed immediately after entering office. Trump is reacting quickly to provide immediate remedial actions to end the national security crisis created by Biden/Harris immigration FAILURES. 

 

This "immigration bandwagon" Trump jumped on is what an effective leader does to protect the sovereignty of their country, the same country he swore an oath to protect unlike Biden who ignored this oath and created the worst national security and humanitarian crisis in US history. 

 

 

 

 

 

[illisdean]

1 hour ago, johnnybangkok said:

And you MAGA brigade are so myopic in your view and so selective of your facts that you don't even know that the highest amount of illegal immigrants who committed a crime ever deported from the US was under Biden. 

Biden, shouldn't have let all these illegals in the first and then only to start his "immigration enforcement" just about federal election campaign season in America....and hoping to score some points for optics for his laughable gaffe ridden corruption scandal ridden 2nd term which of course failed like all things Biden,... failed so well his own party trashed him in favor of much less favorable option, one that has NEVER received a vote any federal primary election only to become this feckless useless waste of fresh air "border czar" and look at what you got....RECORD unvetted illegal criminal aliens and 2M got-aways. Stellar, would you agree....LOL.

 

Trump will fix this getting off to a good start only 7 days in. 

[PomPolo]

17 hours ago, Jingthing said:

He's only been back in office for a few days, and the madness has already started.

Not talking about specific cases yet, but in nations hurt by punitive Trump trade war tariffs or barbaric treatment of their nationals by U.S. immigration, do you think things may get ugly in certain countries for U.S. expats?

 

For example say he hits a country with 50 or 100 percent tariffs and the local economy crashes because of it. The people will know the pain comes from America. Wouldn't it be natural in such cases for the people or even governments to take out their anger on the Americans they see, the ones that live there? Even if ironically, those Americans may be very anti-Trump.

I think it is more likely they will be after the Russians before you 😉

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, tai4de2 said:

As for Russia specifically, the only ones "demonizing" Russia and Russians are the "bbbbuuutttt Russia Russia Russia!" anti-Trumpers, most recently buttressed by the Ukraine grifters' agenda.

Agree.

[FolkGuitar]

5 hours ago, KhunLA said:

The USA is self sufficient, as can feed & energize itself.  It doesn't need any other country,

 

 

 Yep! Just so long as the migrant workforce picks our fruit and vegetables, mows our lawns, collects our garbage, etc.

 

But that's gonna stop now. Hang on to your wallets. Felon-47 is out to empty them.

[Yellowtail]

3 minutes ago, FolkGuitar said:

 

 Yep! Just so long as the migrant workforce picks our fruit and vegetables, mows our lawns, collects our garbage, etc.

 

But that's gonna stop now. Hang on to your wallets. Felon-47 is out to empty them.

Let people cut their own grass and pay farmworkers what that have to get them to sit in an airconditioned cab all day.

 

[jas007]

17 hours ago, Jingthing said:

He's only been back in office for a few days, and the madness has already started.

Not talking about specific cases yet, but in nations hurt by punitive Trump trade war tariffs or barbaric treatment of their nationals by U.S. immigration, do you think things may get ugly in certain countries for U.S. expats?

 

For example say he hits a country with 50 or 100 percent tariffs and the local economy crashes because of it. The people will know the pain comes from America. Wouldn't it be natural in such cases for the people or even governments to take out their anger on the Americans they see, the ones that live there? Even if ironically, those Americans may be very anti-Trump.

It's obviously possible, but I don't think all the trade wars and tariffs will amount to such a problem that Americans will begin any great danger overseas. Then again, they probably already are in some places.  

[gearbox]

53 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

Who do you think built (after forcibly displacing local Cambodians) and operates the casinos in Cambodia with profits flowing back home?  The same people behind of human trafficking and call center scam operations.  The Philippine government just busted scam center with direct ties to China.  The head of this operation is said to be connected a Chinese national busted in Bangkok for a similar operation.  Are these the kind of people you would place your trust in?

These scam centres are not sanctioned by the Chinese government and are mostly scamming their own people. Their own government is after them.

[Jingthing]

7 minutes ago, jas007 said:

It's obviously possible, but I don't think all the trade wars and tariffs will amount to such a problem that Americans will begin any great danger overseas. Then again, they probably already are in some places.  

It obviously depends on the specific nations, the specific actions of Trump, and whether there are many US expats living there. 

For example Panama.

If Trump invades Panama as threatened to reclam the canal of course there would be backlash.

Of course the state department would tell Americans to leave before invading but many would stay.

[jas007]

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

It obviously depends on the specific nations, the specific actions of Trump, and whether there are many US expats living there. 

For example Panama.

If Trump invades Panama as threatened to reclam the canal of course there would be backlash.

Of course the state department would tell Americans to leave before invading but many would stay.

Maybe some Panama expert can chime in.  I've never been there, but I've met people from there and when I was in the Army I met people who had been stationed there and seemed to like it.  For all I know, the typical Panamanian was doing better with the US in charge of the Canal Zone and with all the money spent by the soldiers stationed there.  I'm sure the US doesn't want to control the entire country of Panama.  It might have some interest in the big Panamanian banks and any money laundering activities, but then again, would the average Panamanian care, one way or the other?

 

How did the Panamanians react when the US want in and got Noreiga? 

[Yellowtail]

10 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

It obviously depends on the specific nations, the specific actions of Trump, and whether there are many US expats living there. 

For example Panama.

If Trump invades Panama as threatened to reclam the canal of course there would be backlash.

Of course the state department would tell Americans to leave before invading but many would stay.

"If Trump invades Panama as threatened to reclam the canal..."

 

Can you provide an in-context quote of Trump threatening to invade Panama? I thought not. 

 

It is amusing that you would take Trump to task for a wrong word error (Columbia vs Colombia) when you can spell reclaim.  

[Hawaiian]

13 minutes ago, gearbox said:

These scam centres are not sanctioned by the Chinese government and are mostly scamming their own people. Their own government is after them.

https://thediplomat.com/2023/10/china-cracks-down-on-cyber-scams-in-southeast-asia-but-leaves-networks-intact/   Why leave the networks intact?  So the next gang of criminals can take over.  It's a never ending cycle.  Also makes it look like the Chinese government is doing stopping the illegal activity.  Really?

[Jingthing]

11 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Maybe some Panama expert can chime in.  I've never been there, but I've met people from there and when I was in the Army I met people who had been stationed there and seemed to like it.  For all I know, the typical Panamanian was doing better with the US in charge of the Canal Zone and with all the money spent by the soldiers stationed there.  I'm sure the US doesn't want to control the entire country of Panama.  It might have some interest in the big Panamanian banks and any money laundering activities, but then again, would the average Panamanian care, one way or the other?

 

How did the Panamanians react when the US want in and got Noreiga? 

Typical ugly imperialist Yanqui BS.

On par with saying slaves were actually happy.

Panama's economy is doing very well.

Panama City is a great expat destination often compared to Miami but housing there is too expensive for the lower budget seeking expat crowd.

You can't equate the Noreiga era to now and that was well before Panama became super popular with expats.