Migrants in UK: The Challenge of Integration

[baansgr]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Facts and figures you fail to produce.

Diversity is our strength..I can buy a kebab at 1am in the morning

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

I notice that you don’t have anything to say about the 85 Sharia councils that are operating with impunity in the UK, against UK laws. These councils are preventing integration, which is what the post is about.

 

These Sharia councils are causing great division in British society as they promote inter-cousin marriage, the female genital mutilation of girls as young as 10, honour killings, homophobia, and the subjugation of women; yet you don’t seem to have anything to say about it.

Maybe that’s because you don’t live in the UK, and know very little about living there, apart from what you read in left wing news outlets like the Guardian and the BBC.

 

"know thyself" ..... oh, please  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

The operation of Sharia courts/councils, just like the operation of other religious courts and councils, is not against UK law.

 

You can’t even get that fact right.

 

[herfiehandbag]

9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Ah your pathetic accusation of ‘handlers’ again.

 

Retired English teacher.

 

Let me enjoy that for a moment.

 

 

Obviously hits a nerve doesn't it - handlers!

 

And yes, after I retired from 30 years in the army, I did work as an English teacher in Thailand, for seven years. For a few years prior to that I worked briefly as an assistant manager in a hotel, and as a taxi driver ( I was caring for my mother who had vascular dementia - the only jobs which would allow me to work and care for her). Perhaps you would like to sneer at those jobs as well, although it doesn't really sit well with your (presumed) socialist principles of egalitarianism!

[JonnyF]

12 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

Obviously hits a nerve doesn't it - handlers!

 

And yes, after I retired from 30 years in the army, I did work as an English teacher in Thailand, for seven years. For a few years prior to that I worked briefly as an assistant manager in a hotel, and as a taxi driver ( I was caring for my mother who had vascular dementia - the only jobs which would allow me to work and care for her). Perhaps you would like to sneer at those jobs as well, although it doesn't really sit well with your (presumed) socialist principles of egalitarianism!

 

Don't worry. He/She was sneering at hod carriers on another thread. 

 

Quite the snob it seems. 

[Chomper Higgot]

16 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

Obviously hits a nerve doesn't it - handlers!

 

And yes, after I retired from 30 years in the army, I did work as an English teacher in Thailand, for seven years. For a few years prior to that I worked briefly as an assistant manager in a hotel, and as a taxi driver ( I was caring for my mother who had vascular dementia - the only jobs which would allow me to work and care for her). Perhaps you would like to sneer at those jobs as well, although it doesn't really sit well with your (presumed) socialist principles of egalitarianism!

I’m not sneering.

 

I’m just enjoying the fact you you’ve retired from being an English teacher but can’t seem to give the job up.

 

If you want to present yourself as a retired teacher to give your posts some kind of weight, then please do.

Sorry Teacher, for calling out your ‘broad generalization’.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

10 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Don't worry. He/She was sneering at hod carriers on another thread. 

 

Quite the snob it seems. 

Having another fantasy Jonny?

 

 

[Smokey and the Bandit]

5 hours ago, digger70 said:

If they like their system and Believes that  Much Why In Satans Name are they in Britain??  Send Them  Back home .Be like DT Have the Guts to Do it.   😇

You make a good point, the thing is most of the muslim countries, around 50, only very few are democracies, around 3.

In the UK they can pretty much get away with anything, plus they get freebies!

[Bkk Brian]

This of course has been known about for a very long time and just not enough has been done. The Casey report in 2016

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a80c4fded915d74e6230579/The_Casey_Review_Report.pdf

 

 

Religious extremists ARE infiltrating other schools in the same way as in the Trojan Horse scandal, integration tsar Louise Casey warns MPs

She said many bore a resemblance to the Birmingham Trojan Horse scandal where Islamists infiltrated and took over three schools. 

Dame Louise told MPs today: 'Yes, it is happening elsewhere.'  

She added: 'In terms of some of the things seen in what's called the Trojan Horse, we did not find it very difficult to find things like segregation of girls, what I would describe as anti-equal opportunities or anti-liberal values.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4102908/Religious-extremists-infiltrating-schools-way-Trojan-Horse-scandal-integration-tsar-Louise-Casey-warns-MPs.html

 

 

 

 

[trainman34014]

Most have never wanted to integrate, just take everything they can get whilst slagging off the British way of living.  As for being at 'A Crossroads', it passed that point more than 20 years ago and since then Britain is going down a Blind Alley thanks to tranches of gutless Politicians in all the major Political Parties.

[Eloquent pilgrim]

51 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The operation of Sharia courts/councils, just like the operation of other religious courts and councils, is not against UK law.

 

You can’t even get that fact right.

 

 

This comment distills the very essence of the deflective and disingenuous way in which you comment on this forum; rather than opine about the practices of these Sharia councils in the UK, you simply say they are not against UK law, although they have no legal jurisdiction whatsoever in the UK; the practices they promote and oversee, such as the female genital mutilation of children, the marriage of 13 year old (and younger) girls to old men, honour killings, divorce settlements, bigamy (men allowed 3 wives) and the persecution of gays, are all against UK law.

 

Do you approve of these practices ? because you seem to support the existence of Sharia courts in the UK, but refuse to make any comment about their practices.

 

 

[JonnyF]

1 hour ago, baansgr said:

Diversity is our strength..I can buy a kebab at 1am in the morning

 

Yeah good point. There are some benefits to Diversity.

 

For example, I never used to be offered marching powder at the local barbers. 

 

Diversity certainly solved that problem. 

[Chomper Higgot]

21 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

This comment distills the very essence of the deflective and disingenuous way in which you comment on this forum; rather than opine about the practices of these Sharia councils in the UK, you simply say they are not against UK law, although they have no legal jurisdiction whatsoever in the UK; the practices they promote and oversee, such as the female genital mutilation of children, the marriage of 13 year old (and younger) girls to old men, honour killings, divorce settlements, bigamy (men allowed 3 wives) and the persecution of gays, are all against UK law.

 

Do you approve of these practices ? because you seem to support the existence of Sharia courts in the UK, but refuse to make any comment about their practices.

 

 

Calm down.

 

You made a statement about ‘Sharia Courts’ that was completely wrong.

 

Sharia ‘Courts’, actually Sharia Councils are not illegal and they may not pass any ruling that is contrary to UK Law.

 

Just like every other religious council/court in the UK.

 

Can you please provide evidence of Sharia Councils promoting and overseeing  female mutilation of children’

 

“the practices they promote and oversee, such as the female genital mutilation of children”

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[scottiejohn]

2 hours ago, norfolkandchance said:

Used to enjoy Detachments to RAF Leuchars for the ladies and the golf.

Did you manage a hole in one (of them)?

[Chomper Higgot]

6 hours ago, proton said:

 

Most muslims in the UK are not employed, very few woman. The topic is about migrants in the UK, not migrants in Thailand or their opinions of it.

 

It has gone down from this last office of national statistics report

 

• In 2021, people who identified as "Muslim" had the lowest percentage of people aged 16 to 64 years in employment (51.4% compared with 70.9% of the overall population); 

Broadcast to the internet that you don’t understand percentages.

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Broadcast to the internet that you don’t understand percentages.

Whether he does or not its a fact that Muslims face some of the highest un-employment rates out of all groups

[herfiehandbag]

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

Don't worry. He/She was sneering at hod carriers on another thread. 

 

Quite the snob it seems. 

Yes.

[Tiger1980]

7 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

That is the racist rhetoric, most Muslims of working age in the UK are employed.

And what is your job in Thailand?

How well have you integrated? You are always saying that the only thing you like about Thailand is the music. And complain about most other parts of Thai society.

 

Pot, kettle, black.

 

 Yes most Muslims do work although that includes the many that work for cash while claiming benefits.

As regarding those who do claim benefits it’s well documented that a much higher % of the Muslim population do in fact claim benefits.

[Neeranam]

6 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

There are already 85, and counting, known Sharia councils in the UK, and every one of them promote hate preaching, honour killings, the subjugation of women, the persecution of gays, and the female genital mutilation of children. They also promote middle aged uncles marrying (several) of their prepubescent nieces; this is hugely popular with the menfolk, not so much with the schoolgirls.

One of the most Islamophobic posts on this forum, which gives harmful stereotypes. The actions of a few individuals, whether they are extreme or illegal, should never be used to generalize an entire community.

To so wrongly say “Sharia councils” are somehow representative of the entire Muslim population in the UK is inaccurate and misleading. These councils have no legal authority in the UK, and the vast majority of Muslims do not support the extremist views or actions that some individuals may express. The vast majority of Muslims condemn violence, discrimination, and abuse, just like people from any other faith or background.

You are using divisive language to associate entire groups of people with crimes they may not be involved in. This is classic fear-mongering, designed to create division and hatred between communities. The idea of linking Muslim communities to “hate preaching” or “honour killings” without any evidence just adds to negative, unfounded stereotypes.

 

[proton]

7 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

One of the most Islamophobic posts on this forum, which gives harmful stereotypes. The actions of a few individuals, whether they are extreme or illegal, should never be used to generalize an entire community.

To so wrongly say “Sharia councils” are somehow representative of the entire Muslim population in the UK is inaccurate and misleading. These councils have no legal authority in the UK, and the vast majority of Muslims do not support the extremist views or actions that some individuals may express. The vast majority of Muslims condemn violence, discrimination, and abuse, just like people from any other faith or background.

You are using divisive language to associate entire groups of people with crimes they may not be involved in. This is classic fear-mongering, designed to create division and hatred between communities. The idea of linking Muslim communities to “hate preaching” or “honour killings” without any evidence just adds to negative, unfounded stereotypes.

 

 

There is no such thing as Islamophobia and it's not about individuals, the problem is ISLAM not it's followers, they are just as much victims of it as the rest of us. How many muslims support violence is irrelevant, it does not change the intolerant and violence in the scriptures, the vast majority cheer from the sidelines and do not condemn violence, unless it's against Israel of course, after they have attacked it. Islam is demonstrably incompatible with non Islamic cultures, it's supremacist and not capable of genuine integration.

Over 48k Islamic terror attacks since 1979, killing over 210k people

[Purdey]

Live and let live. No point in saying new immigrants should follow the British culture without explaining which culture, the Roman, the Anglo Saxon or the French as each changed the local culture, and this happens again and again. 

[proton]

3 minutes ago, Purdey said:

Live and let live. No point in saying new immigrants should follow the British culture without explaining which culture, the Roman, the Anglo Saxon or the French as each changed the local culture, and this happens again and again. 

 

Tell that to the family of the man in Sweden just murdered by Muslims for burning a nasty book!

[Purdey]

Just now, proton said:

 

Tell that to the family of the man in Sweden just murdered by Muslims for burning a nasty book!

Migrants in UK: The Challenge of Integration

I thought this was about the UK?

[Neeranam]

 As a Farang Thai, living in Chaam, I am happy that farang can have their own little communities, I even accept the criminal gangs such as the Bandidos motorcycle club.  I love going down certain sois for my English Breakfast, Swedish bread, German beer etc. I enjoyed my kebabs and samosas on a recent trip to East London; never like those jellied eels. East London is great now, not like back when the Krays were throwing their weight around. 

[Neeranam]

8 minutes ago, proton said:

There is no such thing as Islamophobia

 You saying that while making sweeping generalizations about Islam and its followers is totally contradictory. 

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

 As a Farang Thai, living in Chaam, I am happy that farang can have their own little communities, I even accept the criminal gangs such as the Bandidos motorcycle club.  I love going down certain sois for my English Breakfast, Swedish bread, German beer etc. I enjoyed my kebabs and samosas on a recent trip to East London; never like those jellied eels. East London is great now, not like back when the Krays were throwing their weight around. 

But they looked after their dear old mum.

[Neeranam]

9 minutes ago, proton said:

Over 48k Islamic terror attacks since 1979, killing over 210k people

Distorting facts. Most of these attacks occurred in war zones like Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria - sometimes caused by political  Western interventions(Bush/Blair etc and their illegal invasions), and regional conflicts. What you call a terrorist is not what I call one, he is a freedom fighter. 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

17 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

The idea of linking Muslim communities to “hate preaching” or “honour killings” without any evidence just adds to negative, unfounded stereotypes.

 

 

Without any evidence ? try this.

 

I have had a great deal of interaction with muslims in the UK. This lad, that I knew as Naz, was one of about 30 muslim customers of my wholesale business in London. I served him every day, 6 days a week, for 3 years, and got to know him very well; at least I thought I had.

 

He was very westernised, and we mocked and harangued each other about our respective cricket teams. Then one day with the help of his 17 year old cousin, he knifed his beautiful 18 year old sister to death in an “honour” killing; you couldn’t script the irony, it was because she wanted to marry a refugee from Afghanistan, but he was the wrong type of muslim …..  link attached from one of your favourite sources, the BBC   

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/5179162.stm&ved=2ahUKEwjo1vfKwZ-LAxWRS2cHHaHrANgQFnoECBIQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2GIH_VwQwD4-oS6c9qYxsy

 

 

 

 

[norfolkandchance]

2 hours ago, scottiejohn said:

Did you manage a hole in one (of them)?

Only on the golf course.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

 

Without any evidence ? try this.

 

I have had a great deal of interaction with muslims in the UK. This lad, that I knew as Naz, was one of about 30 muslim customers of my wholesale business in London. I served him every day, 6 days a week, for 3 years, and got to know him very well; at least I thought I had.

 

He was very westernised, and we mocked and harangued each other about our respective cricket teams. Then one day with the help of his 17 year old cousin, he knifed his beautiful 18 year old sister to death in an “honour” killing; you couldn’t script the irony, it was because she wanted to marry a refugee from Afghanistan, but he was the wrong type of muslim …..  link attached from one of your favourite sources, the BBC   

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/5179162.stm&ved=2ahUKEwjo1vfKwZ-LAxWRS2cHHaHrANgQFnoECBIQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2GIH_VwQwD4-oS6c9qYxsy

 

 

 

 

Any luck yet digging out your evidence for this:

 

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Calm down.

 

You made a statement about ‘Sharia Courts’ that was completely wrong.

 

Sharia ‘Courts’, actually Sharia Councils are not illegal and they may not pass any ruling that is contrary to UK Law.

 

Just like every other religious council/court in the UK.

 

Can you please provide evidence of Sharia Councils promoting and overseeing  female mutilation of children’

 

“the practices they promote and oversee, such as the female genital mutilation of children”