Migrants in UK: The Challenge of Integration

[PomPolo]

21 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

The idea of linking Muslim communities to “hate preaching” or “honour killings” without any evidence just adds to negative, unfounded stereotypes.

Or try this one, the poor girl was only 10 years old and got beaten to death by her family the ones that are supposed to protect her
Calling 999 (911 US) he claimed he had "legally punished her" and told the operator "I beat her up, it wasn't my intention to kill her, but I beat her up too much"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Sara_Sharif

Is that enough evidence?

 

[Bkk Brian]

8 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

 As a Farang Thai, living in Chaam, I am happy that farang can have their own little communities, I even accept the criminal gangs such as the Bandidos motorcycle club.  I love going down certain sois for my English Breakfast, Swedish bread, German beer etc. I enjoyed my kebabs and samosas on a recent trip to East London; never like those jellied eels. East London is great now, not like back when the Krays were throwing their weight around. 

Your lame attempt at drawing an equivalence to how E London was when the Krays were around and how it is now is pure fantasy. What part of East London did you go to and for how long?

[mikecha]

6 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

 

Scotland has its own legal system, language, and religion. 

and the real Whiskey  Can drink with any religion even Muslims drink the gold 

[Tiger1980]

5 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

I think that is a step too far but we should be doing a lot more to welcome them and help them where we can.

Having riots and continually complaining about them is not going to make them warm to us.

 

i have been living in Thailand now for a while and so many thai people have helped me out and as a result I feel very warmly towards Thailand and the lovely Thai people.

Obviously your thoughts are on a par with those individuals in the Home Office who describe the rape of young white girls as ALLEGED victims even when the courts verdicts are well documented.

[PomPolo]

5 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

Having riots and continually complaining about them is not going to make them warm to us.

I think most of the riots in the UK have been to do with a feeling that authorities have singled out minority communities rather than riot about them being in the UK, defeats the object of your post.

As for warming to us, when they get off the Dinghy's do we give them nice blankets, some food, money and a nice place to live?  (and more recently let their families come over while they sort their fake Asylum out as 30 years olds pretending to be 15 so Social services will take care of them?)

[Eloquent pilgrim]

19 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Any luck yet digging out your evidence for this:

 

can you not open the link

[Eloquent pilgrim]

21 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Any luck yet digging out your evidence for this:

 

 

 

[PomPolo]

Quite simply the Australians are way ahead of any country on illegal immigration, fire warning shots at the immigrant boats (I am not saying shoot people) as a deterrent.  Trump has hinted at similar actions, but all of us will be long gone before the UK would dream of such a tactic it would be 'black'listed to even discuss anything like that with the many thousands of forbidden words in the UK, Europe wouldn't do it because once they leave France are no longer Europe's problem (Conspiracy theory 😂 I reckon a portion of the money the UK gives to France to prevent illegal immigration is probably going on purchasing more stable Dinghy's to ensure they make it out of French Sovereign water safely)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/16/australian-navy-shot-in-the-air-to-turn-back-asylum-boat

[PETERTHEEATER]

10 hours ago, loong said:

Who is St Andrews?

St Andrew is the patron saint of Scotland, but I have never heard of St Andrews.

St Andrews is the patron establishment of golf.😀

[Neeranam]

53 minutes ago, PomPolo said:

Or try this one, the poor girl was only 10 years old and got beaten to death by her family the ones that are supposed to protect her
Calling 999 (911 US) he claimed he had "legally punished her" and told the operator "I beat her up, it wasn't my intention to kill her, but I beat her up too much"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Sara_Sharif

Is that enough evidence?

 

What is your point, did you read what I wrote? 

[PomPolo]

Just now, Neeranam said:

What is your point, did you read what I wrote? 

I quoted you didn't I?  Did you read the quote from your own post?

[proton]

3 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

What is your point, did you read what I wrote? 

 

Not many do 😆

[herfiehandbag]

34 minutes ago, PETERTHEEATER said:

St Andrews is the patron establishment of golf.😀

I thought Saint Andrews' primary function (at least in recent years) was as a marriage agency for younger members of the Royal Family...😂

[PomPolo]

35 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

What is your point, did you read what I wrote? 

You must be famous even ChatGPT knows about you 🤣

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

can you not open the link

Here’s your statement again:

 

6 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

This comment distills the very essence of the deflective and disingenuous way in which you comment on this forum; rather than opine about the practices of these Sharia councils in the UK, you simply say they are not against UK law, although they have no legal jurisdiction whatsoever in the UK; the practices they promote and oversee, such as the female genital mutilation of children, the marriage of 13 year old (and younger) girls to old men, honour killings, divorce settlements, bigamy (men allowed 3 wives) and the persecution of gays, are all against UK law.

 

Do you approve of these practices ? because you seem to support the existence of Sharia courts in the UK, but refuse to make any comment about their practices.

 

 

 

 

I have asked you to provide evidence to back your claim on this particular point:

 

“Sharia councils in the UK, you simply say they are not against UK law, although they have no legal jurisdiction whatsoever in the UK; practices they promote and oversee, such as the female genital mutilation of children”

 

Please provide evidence to back the very serious allegation you made, refer underlined text above.

 

Female genital mutilation is outlawed in the UK, if you have evidence that Sharia courts/councils in the UK are promoting and overseeing this heinous crime why are you not presenting your evidence, further more why have you not submitting it to the authorities?

 

[Bkk Brian]

43 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Here’s your statement again:

 

 

 

I have asked you to provide evidence to back your claim on this particular point:

 

“Sharia councils in the UK, you simply say they are not against UK law, although they have no legal jurisdiction whatsoever in the UK; practices they promote and oversee, such as the female genital mutilation of children”

 

Please provide evidence to back the very serious allegation you made, refer underlined text above.

 

Female genital mutilation is outlawed in the UK, if you have evidence that Sharia courts/councils in the UK are promoting and overseeing this heinous crime why are you not presenting your evidence, further more why have you not submitting it to the authorities?

 

It may well be illegal but hundreds per month on females are carried out, NHS even keeps its own monthly data set on them all

 

UK communities that are most at risk of FGM include Kenyan, Somali, Sudanese, Sierra Leonean, Egyptian, Nigerian and Eritrean. Non-African communities that practise FGM include Yemeni, Afghani, Kurdish, Indonesian and Pakistani.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/female-genital-mutilation-leaflet/female-genital-mutilation-the-facts-accessible-version

 

 

[BangkokReady]

13 hours ago, digger70 said:

If they like their system and Believes that  Much Why In Satans Name are they in Britain??  Send Them  Back home .Be like DT Have the Guts to Do it.   😇

 

I think they like their religion and culture, but they're very much aware that the UK is a better place to be.  Probably a mixture of economics and culture, while still wishing to live within their culture in a bubble form.

[MalcolmB]

12 hours ago, proton said:

 

Most muslims in the UK are not employed, very few woman. The topic is about migrants in the UK, not migrants in Thailand or their opinions of it.

 

It has gone down from this last office of national statistics report

 

• In 2021, people who identified as "Muslim" had the lowest percentage of people aged 16 to 64 years in employment (51.4% compared with 70.9% of the overall population); 

51.4% is most.

Trump won with that.

[Oliver Holzerfilled]

13 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

It just shows how low intelligence we are fighting over “religion”.

It is complete nonsense, Islam, Christianity, Hinduism etc

It is amazing people still be in all the garbage.

Behead those who insult the Amish.

[Eloquent pilgrim]

14 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Female genital mutilation is outlawed in the UK

 

 

FGM has been illegal in the UK since 1985, and therefore rather obviously, procedures are either clandestine within the UK, or the victims are sent abroad for the mutilation. The NHS started collecting statistics in 2015 and they have reported a total of 37,615 individual women (and girls) having undergone the procedure.

 

Because of the secretive nature of these procedures it has been very difficult for the CPS to bring prosecutions or convictions. However, in the insular muslim communities in the UK, absolutely nothing is done without the knowledge of, and approval of, the Sharia council (if that community has one) or otherwise the Imam of their mosque.

 

Most people, both muslim and otherwise, that live in the UK know this; which because you don’t live in the UK is probably why you are absolutely clueless about it.

 

It is obvious that your myopic defence of Islam and anything related to Islam has become an obsession, but even you cannot believe that something like FGM can happen in a UK muslim community without the knowledge of their Sharia council ….. or maybe you can ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Attaching a link from your go to news outlet with some of the appalling statistics; do they not have this issue in the US ?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/sep/19/nhs-reports-increase-in-female-genital-mutilation-cases&ved=2ahUKEwipw7jlpqGLAxXexjgGHZiuCwAQFnoECA0QAQ&usg=AOvVaw047OhfeyQUJ4dBuVH5OjrU

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

11 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

 

FGM has been illegal in the UK since 1985, and therefore rather obviously, procedures are either clandestine within the UK, or the victims are sent abroad for the mutilation. The NHS started collecting statistics in 2015 and they have reported a total of 37,615 individual women (and girls) having undergone the procedure.

 

Because of the secretive nature of these procedures it has been very difficult for the CPS to bring prosecutions or convictions. However, in the insular muslim communities in the UK, absolutely nothing is done without the knowledge of, and approval of, the Sharia council (if that community has one) or otherwise the Imam of their mosque.

 

Most people, both muslim and otherwise, that live in the UK know this; which because you don’t live in the UK is probably why you are absolutely clueless about it.

 

It is obvious that your myopic defence of Islam and anything related to Islam has become an obsession, but even you cannot believe that something like FGM can happen in a UK muslim community without the knowledge of their Sharia council ….. or maybe you can ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Attaching a link from your go to news outlet with some of the appalling statistics; do they not have this issue in the US ?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/sep/19/nhs-reports-increase-in-female-genital-mutilation-cases&ved=2ahUKEwipw7jlpqGLAxXexjgGHZiuCwAQFnoECA0QAQ&usg=AOvVaw047OhfeyQUJ4dBuVH5OjrU

 

 

I know female genital mutilation is a crime in the UK, I already said it’s a heinous crime. 

Your retreat into a defense that can be summarized as ‘it’s all kept secret’ isn’t getting out of your baseless claim.

 

“Sharia courts in the UK promoting and overseeing female genital mutilation of children.”

 

Do you want to withdraw that allegation?

 

Or are you going to insist making accusations of promotion of and participation in heinous crimes against children for which you have zero evidence?

 

 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

34 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Do you want to withdraw that allegation?

 

Absolutely not; and I find it abhorrent that you, as a non UK citizen, come on this forum defending the pernicious, divisive, Islamic Sharia councils in the UK.

 

However, people are finally waking up to the destructive nature of the extreme left wing views that you, and others, have been advocating, in your monotonous promotion of both Islam, and, of course, your own virtuosity.

 

But fortunately, what you believe to be a virtue, is now being seen as a profound weakness, and your views have been an enormous part of the problem, rather than offering any solution to it; thankfully, your views are now proving to be on the wrong side of history, as the western world rails against your deleterious advocacy; shame on you.

 

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Absolutely not; and I find it abhorrent that you, as a non UK citizen, come on this forum defending the pernicious, divisive, Islamic Sharia councils in the UK.

 

However, people are finally waking up to the destructive nature of the extreme left wing views that you, and others, have been advocating, in your monotonous promotion of both Islam, and, of course, your own virtuosity.

 

But fortunately, what you believe to be a virtue, is now being seen as a profound weakness, and your views have been an enormous part of the problem, rather than offering any solution to it; thankfully, your views are now proving to be on the wrong side of history, as the western world rails against your deleterious advocacy; shame on you.

 

 

 

 

You find it abhorrent that I call out your baseless allegations of Sharia Courts/Councils in the UK promoting and overseeing female genital mutilations on children.

 

I’ve given you numerous opportunities to provide evidence to back up your accusation of these heinous crimes you allege, you have failed to do so. 
 

We both know why, you don’t have any evidence, you are making up and posting false and obscene allegations.

 

I’ll take heed of your ‘abhorrence’ when you withdraw the obscene lie you have posted.

…

 

Incidentally, my nationality, of which you haven’t a clue, is not the subject of discussion, nor will it be.

 

Man up and withdraw your baseless lie.

 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Man up and withdraw your baseless lie.

 

Absolutely hilarious; you telling someone to ‘man up’ …. Did you pay privately for your irony bypass, or did your health insurance cover it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

9 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Absolutely hilarious; you telling someone to ‘man up’ …. Did you pay privately for your irony bypass, or did your health insurance cover it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

 

Of course you will not withdraw your baseless accusation Sharia Courts/Councils in the UK promoting and overseeing female genital mutilations on children.

 

It has no basis in fact, it’s something you made up, it comes from the hatred you foster.

 

It’s a lie, you posted it, you own your lie, your lie owns you.

 

Your response to having your lie challenged is to get snotty.

 

Sad really.

[John Drake]

Hey UKers, it's no longer about Muslims integrating with British culture, it's about how Britons will integrate with Islam. Just a matter of time now. 

[mogandave]

They want to integrate when they should be assimilating.  

[Eloquent pilgrim]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It has no basis in fact, it’s something you made up, it comes from the hatred you foster.

 

It’s a lie, you posted it, you own your lie, your lie owns you.

 

Don’t accuse me of telling lies. I have had countless interactions with muslims of different nationalities in the UK on a daily basis for more than 20 years. I have spoken to many of them about their religion and different aspect of their culture, including cheating on fasting during Ramadan. Several of them told me that although they disapproved themselves, that FGM as well as honour killings were carried out with the approval of the local Sharia council, or the Imam of their mosque.

 

The only caveat being that they all said that sometimes honour killings were spontaneous and therefore not approved (as was the one I posted about earlier) They all also told me that they approved of first cousin marriage, which is not illegal in the UK anyway; but I should add that all my conversations were with muslim men, not with any women.

 

This is my first hand personal experience, which you will not like because it does not come from the Guardian or the BBC. However, like it or not, it is the truth, my truth, and I own this truth; you really have no idea whatsoever about Islam in the UK.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Don’t accuse me of telling lies. I have had countless interactions with muslims of different nationalities in the UK on a daily basis for more than 20 years. I have spoken to many of them about their religion and different aspect of their culture, including cheating on fasting during Ramadan. Several of them told me that although they disapproved themselves, that FGM as well as honour killings were carried out with the approval of the local Sharia council, or the Imam of their mosque.

 

The only caveat being that they all said that sometimes honour killings were spontaneous and therefore not approved (as was the one I posted about earlier) They all also told me that they approved of first cousin marriage, which is not illegal in the UK anyway; but I should add that all my conversations were with muslim men, not with any women.

 

This is my first hand personal experience, which you will not like because it does not come from the Guardian or the BBC. However, like it or not, it is the truth, my truth, and I own this truth; you really have no idea whatsoever about Islam in the UK.

 

 

You made an absolutely false claim which you’ve had ample time to either back up or retract.

 

You’ve done neither.

 

Forgive me for drawing the obviously correct conclusion.