Wake Up! - EVs Are Here, and Your Gas Guzzler is on Life Support

[DavisH]

7 hours ago, atpeace said:

So when EV trucks get over 1000kms between charges? Probably will be a reality in the next 5-10 years. As for me, I would be happy with a 400 km real world range. The Rivian R1T and that weird Tesla truck already have larger payloads than any of the ICE trucks I see on the road here.  They get around 600 km per charge.  They cost a fortune but just saying 🙂

600km on one charge, how about carrying 1000kg in the back? It seems they are more of a recreational vehicle at this time, as opposed to a work vehicle. 

[jimmybcool]

10 hours ago, KhunLA said:

It will depend on the chemistry of the battery.  Here's a comparison, old, and new chemistry (LFP), that most newer BEVs use.  Supposedly a conservative estimate for LFP batteries, as some state, will last up to 10k cycles, so 2500 is pretty conservative, if not damn negative number.

 

A cycle (1), if you don't already know is 100% charge.  So if you run down to 50% one day, recharge, run again down to 50%, and recharge, you used 1 cycle.

 

The red text, is 'our' car, and my ball park estimate of life, and still retaining 70 ish %, to be on the negative side.  We average about 20k kms a year.

 

 

I forget how many cycles I was told the battery had.  But they also didn't tell me that 50% recharge twice counts as one recharge.  I suspect my golf cart will outlast me as I near the 70 year mark and per the above use about 2 cycles a week.  Good to know.

 

One thing I really liked was no more putting water into the lead/acid batteries.  Ad when I leave home to come to Thailand for 2 months when I return the battery is still charged and I don't need a trickle charger. 

[Gweiloman]

14 hours ago, Jaggg88 said:

The biggest problem with EVs is the depreciation. The batteries start degrading from day one and somewhere between 5 and 8 years the batteries will need replacing, which costs more than the car is worth.

The biggest problem with anti-EVers is that they often don’t know what they’re talking about. 

[JBChiangRai]

19 hours ago, Doctor Tom said:

Until you crash, then they are a death trap 

 

It depends on the battery technology.  BYD use LFP batteries, they don't catch fire typically they smolder.

 

 

[JBChiangRai]

18 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

22 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

I think you are very wrong, battery technology is advancing at such a pace that EV‘s are a damn near perfect source of road transportation for passenger cars.

You've got to be joking. 

 

Try & name a better solution, and say why.

[JBChiangRai]

18 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

I drive from Bangkok to our place near to Rayong and back, 400 Kms in total approx, twice a month. Any thoughts on whether or not an EV would be practical for this purpose ?

 

18 hours ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

I drive to visit an ageing mil around twice a month, 420 kms in total or 460 km if we go out for lunch.

I don’t need to charge but if necessary I can pull in to one of many chargers on highway 32 for a 10% top up to make sure i get home and put the car to charge overnight at 3 baht per kw.

 

Your cost of doing this return journey in an EV with a TOU meter installed at home with no solar power is circa 250 baht

[Thingamabob]

1 hour ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

Try & name a better solution, and say why.

Research into a number of alternative power sources is underway including ethanol, hydrogen, propane, LPG, and methanol. One of the reasons this research is being carried out is a widespread concern that EVs' green credentials are far from proven.

[Andrew Dwyer]

13 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

 

Your cost of doing this return journey in an EV with a TOU meter installed at home with no solar power is circa 250 baht

Yes, if that !

It takes me around 38-43% each way ( 210 km ) meaning my range is around 490-550 km

 

So around 200-230 baht there and back.

 

A 0-100% charge would cost around 260 baht.

[JBChiangRai]

4 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

Research into a number of alternative power sources is underway including ethanol, hydrogen, propane, LPG, and methanol. One of the reasons this research is being carried out is a widespread concern that EVs' green credentials are far from proven.

Please pick what you think is the best of those and I will explain why it’s inferior to Battery Electric Vehicles in the next 10 to 20 years.

[Thingamabob]

1 hour ago, JBChiangRai said:

Please pick what you think is the best of those and I will explain why it’s inferior to Battery Electric Vehicles in the next 10 to 20 years.

Time will tell. Meanwhile, enjoy your EVs, and have a nice day 

[Gweiloman]

20 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

Research into a number of alternative power sources is underway including ethanol, hydrogen, propane, LPG, and methanol. One of the reasons this research is being carried out is a widespread concern that EVs' green credentials are far from proven.

When do you expect any of these alternative power sources will come to market? Any chance that any of us will still be alive by then?

[Thingamabob]

27 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

When do you expect any of these alternative power sources will come to market? Any chance that any of us will still be alive by then?

27 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

When do you expect any of these alternative power sources will come to market? Any chance that any of us will still be alive by then?

That rather depends on how old you are.

[JBChiangRai]

21 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

Research into a number of alternative power sources is underway including ethanol, hydrogen, propane, LPG, and methanol. One of the reasons this research is being carried out is a widespread concern that EVs' green credentials are far from proven.

 

There is not widespread concern that EV's green credentials are far from proven.  It's very clear that EV's with LFP batteries are exceptionally green over the course of their lifetime.  The only concern is people who have not educated themselves in why EV's are greener,

 

Let me take each of your proposed alternatives in turn and explain why they are not superior

 

Ethanol

• Land Use: Growing crops for ethanol can lead to deforestation and habitat loss.

• Water Use: Ethanol production requires significant amounts of water, which can strain local water resources.

• Impact on Food Prices: Using food crops for fuel can drive up food prices and impact food security.

• Energy Balance: The energy required to produce ethanol can sometimes be close to or even exceed the energy it provides, depending on the production method.

• Reliability: Continuing to use an internal combustion engine is both complex by nature and inherently unreliable as they have around 100 times more moving parts than an EV.

Hydrogen

• High Cost: Hydrogen cars are generally more expensive than traditional gasoline cars and even some electric vehicles. The cost of the fuel cell technology and the infrastructure needed to produce and store hydrogen contribute to this high price.

• Limited Refueling Stations: There are very few hydrogen refueling stations available, making it inconvenient for hydrogen car owners. This lack of infrastructure is a significant barrier to widespread adoption

• Expensive Fuel: Hydrogen fuel is currently more expensive than gasoline and even some alternative fuels. This cost can be prohibitive for many consumers. Compared to a Battery EV it is about 4 times less efficient.

• Safety Concerns: Hydrogen is highly flammable, and there are safety concerns related to storing and transporting it. While safety measures are in place, the risk remains a concern.

• Environmental Impact: Most hydrogen production currently relies on fossil fuels, which can negate the environmental benefits of using hydrogen as a fuel. Green hydrogen, produced using renewable energy, is more sustainable but not yet widely available.

• Complex Infrastructure: Integrating hydrogen fueling infrastructure into the existing gasoline infrastructure is challenging and costly.

• Supply Limitations: The supply of hydrogen is limited, and scaling up production to meet potential demand is a significant challenge

Propane (aka LPG)

• Limited Availability: Propane refueling stations are not as widespread as gasoline stations, making it inconvenient for drivers.

• Higher Initial Cost: Converting a car to run on propane can be expensive, often costing thousands of dollars.

• Lower Energy Density: Propane has a lower energy density compared to gasoline, meaning you'll need more of it to travel the same distance.

• Frequent Refueling: Due to its lower energy content, propane cars may require more frequent refueling.

• Storage and Weight: Propane tanks are heavy and take up significant space in the vehicle, which can affect handling and performance.

• Temperature Sensitivity: Propane's performance can be affected by temperature changes, which might impact its efficiency in extreme weather conditions.

• Safety Concerns: While propane is generally safe, it is highly flammable, and proper handling and storage are crucial to avoid accidents

• Emissions: Propane cars emit about 88% of CO2 compared to gasoline cars, they emit about 80% of NOx compared to gasoline vehicles, they emit about 70% of the carbon monoxide CO compared to gasoline vehicles, they emit only 20% of the hydrocarbons compared to diesel vehicles.

• Reliability: Continuing to use an internal combustion engine is both complex by nature and inherently unreliable as they have around 100 times more moving parts than an EV.

Methanol

• Lower Energy Density: Methanol has a lower energy density than gasoline, meaning methanol cars need more frequent refueling compared to EVs.

• Toxicity: Methanol is highly toxic if ingested, inhaled, or absorbed through the skin, posing significant health and safety risks.

• Corrosive Nature: Methanol can be corrosive to certain materials used in engines and fuel systems, requiring special modifications and maintenance.

• Limited Infrastructure: The infrastructure for methanol refueling is not as developed as for gasoline or EV charging, making it less convenient.

• Higher Production Costs: Producing methanol, especially from renewable sources, can be more expensive than extracting and refining traditional fossil fuels.

• Environmental Impact: While methanol burns cleaner than gasoline, its production can still have negative environmental impacts, especially if it relies on fossil fuels.

• Smaller Range: Due to its lower energy content, methanol cars typically have a shorter driving range compared to EVs

• Reliability: Continuing to use an internal combustion engine is both complex by nature and inherently unreliable as they have around 100 times more moving parts than an EV.

• Emissions: Methanol cars still emit Carbon Dioxide (CO2), Nitrogen Oxides (NOx), Carbon Monoxide (CO), hydrocarbons (HC) but at much lower levels than gasoline cars, EV's emit Zero.

• Reliability: Continuing to use an internal combustion engine is both complex by nature and inherently unreliable as they have around 100 times more moving parts than an EV.

 

Do you have any other ideas?

 

 

 

[Thingamabob]

2 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

There is not widespread concern that EV's green credentials are far from proven.  It's very clear that EV's with LFP batteries are exceptionally green over the course of their lifetime.  The only concern is people who have not educated themselves in why EV's are greener,

 

Let me take each of your proposed alternatives in turn and explain why they are not superior

 

Ethanol

• Land Use: Growing crops for ethanol can lead to deforestation and habitat loss.

• Water Use: Ethanol production requires significant amounts of water, which can strain local water resources.

• Impact on Food Prices: Using food crops for fuel can drive up food prices and impact food security.

• Energy Balance: The energy required to produce ethanol can sometimes be close to or even exceed the energy it provides, depending on the production method.

• Reliability: Continuing to use an internal combustion engine is both complex by nature and inherently unreliable as they have around 100 times more moving parts than an EV.

Hydrogen

• High Cost: Hydrogen cars are generally more expensive than traditional gasoline cars and even some electric vehicles. The cost of the fuel cell technology and the infrastructure needed to produce and store hydrogen contribute to this high price.

• Limited Refueling Stations: There are very few hydrogen refueling stations available, making it inconvenient for hydrogen car owners. This lack of infrastructure is a significant barrier to widespread adoption

• Expensive Fuel: Hydrogen fuel is currently more expensive than gasoline and even some alternative fuels. This cost can be prohibitive for many consumers. Compared to a Battery EV it is about 4 times less efficient.

• Safety Concerns: Hydrogen is highly flammable, and there are safety concerns related to storing and transporting it. While safety measures are in place, the risk remains a concern.

• Environmental Impact: Most hydrogen production currently relies on fossil fuels, which can negate the environmental benefits of using hydrogen as a fuel. Green hydrogen, produced using renewable energy, is more sustainable but not yet widely available.

• Complex Infrastructure: Integrating hydrogen fueling infrastructure into the existing gasoline infrastructure is challenging and costly.

• Supply Limitations: The supply of hydrogen is limited, and scaling up production to meet potential demand is a significant challenge

Propane (aka LPG)

• Limited Availability: Propane refueling stations are not as widespread as gasoline stations, making it inconvenient for drivers.

• Higher Initial Cost: Converting a car to run on propane can be expensive, often costing thousands of dollars.

• Lower Energy Density: Propane has a lower energy density compared to gasoline, meaning you'll need more of it to travel the same distance.

• Frequent Refueling: Due to its lower energy content, propane cars may require more frequent refueling.

• Storage and Weight: Propane tanks are heavy and take up significant space in the vehicle, which can affect handling and performance.

• Temperature Sensitivity: Propane's performance can be affected by temperature changes, which might impact its efficiency in extreme weather conditions.

• Safety Concerns: While propane is generally safe, it is highly flammable, and proper handling and storage are crucial to avoid accidents

• Emissions: Propane cars emit about 88% of CO2 compared to gasoline cars, they emit about 80% of NOx compared to gasoline vehicles, they emit about 70% of the carbon monoxide CO compared to gasoline vehicles, they emit only 20% of the hydrocarbons compared to diesel vehicles.

• Reliability: Continuing to use an internal combustion engine is both complex by nature and inherently unreliable as they have around 100 times more moving parts than an EV.

Methanol

• Lower Energy Density: Methanol has a lower energy density than gasoline, meaning methanol cars need more frequent refueling compared to EVs.

• Toxicity: Methanol is highly toxic if ingested, inhaled, or absorbed through the skin, posing significant health and safety risks.

• Corrosive Nature: Methanol can be corrosive to certain materials used in engines and fuel systems, requiring special modifications and maintenance.

• Limited Infrastructure: The infrastructure for methanol refueling is not as developed as for gasoline or EV charging, making it less convenient.

• Higher Production Costs: Producing methanol, especially from renewable sources, can be more expensive than extracting and refining traditional fossil fuels.

• Environmental Impact: While methanol burns cleaner than gasoline, its production can still have negative environmental impacts, especially if it relies on fossil fuels.

• Smaller Range: Due to its lower energy content, methanol cars typically have a shorter driving range compared to EVs

• Reliability: Continuing to use an internal combustion engine is both complex by nature and inherently unreliable as they have around 100 times more moving parts than an EV.

• Emissions: Methanol cars still emit Carbon Dioxide (CO2), Nitrogen Oxides (NOx), Carbon Monoxide (CO), hydrocarbons (HC) but at much lower levels than gasoline cars, EV's emit Zero.

Do you have any other ideas?

 

 

 

Yes. I am interested in steam power.  Charles Burnett achieved an average speed of nearly 140mph over 2 runs at Edwards air force base in California in 2009 in the British-built 'Inspiration'. However, the large size of the boilers required presents what has so far proven to be an insuperable problem in terms of producing a road-going passenger vehicle. 

[JBChiangRai]

1 minute ago, Thingamabob said:

Yes. I am interested in steam power.  Charles Burnett achieved an average speed of nearly 140mph over 2 runs at Edwards air force base in California in 2009 in the British-built 'Inspiration'. However, the large size of the boilers required presents what has so far proven to be an insuperable problem in terms of producing a road-going passenger vehicle. 

 

It doesn't matter how we look at it, it's very clear that BEV's are the ideal alternative for passenger cars.  NMC battery cars are decreasing in popularity over their reduced number of charges and use of things like Cobalt.  LFP batteries are gaining an increasing market share because they are safer, cheaper, have double the charge-discharge cycles and don't use any Cobalt.

 

Battery technology will continue to improve and ultimately charging will take little more time than fueling a gasoline car, that will also bring challenges to charging stations and power grids, but they are not insurmountable, it simply requires infrastructure upgrades and I think we are looking at incremental progress over the next 20 years.

 

Of all the technology you suggested, we WILL see Hydrogen vehicles, typically for freight and PSV's, but not passenger cars. It's been tried in a few countries already and failed in all of them.  The Hydrogen producers know ths and have already stated it publicly (Plug Hydrogen and Shell).

[Thingamabob]

2 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

It doesn't matter how we look at it, it's very clear that BEV's are the ideal alternative for passenger cars.  NMC battery cars are decreasing in popularity over their reduced number of charges and use of things like Cobalt.  LFP batteries are gaining an increasing market share because they are safer, cheaper, have double the charge-discharge cycles and don't use any Cobalt.

 

Battery technology will continue to improve and ultimately charging will take little more time than fueling a gasoline car, that will also bring challenges to charging stations and power grids, but they are not insurmountable, it simply requires infrastructure upgrades and I think we are looking at incremental progress over the next 20 years.

 

Of all the technology you suggested, we WILL see Hydrogen vehicles, typically for freight and PSV's, but not passenger cars. It's been tried in a few countries already and failed in all of them.  The Hydrogen producers know ths and have already stated it publicly (Plug Hydrogen and Shell).

Don't worry. We've got your message, and your enthusiasm for battery driven cars is understood. Take it easy, and have a nice day.

[KhunLA]

41 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

That rather depends on how old you are.

Since most (ethanol, hydrogen, propane, LPG, and methano) have been around for decades, and not progressed much, except for hydrogen, and that is just a Toyota distraction tactic, as impractical for personal vehicles.  Been pushed for a bout 20+ yrs and gotten nowhere.

 

Where as BEV are being mass produced and taking over the market, with improvements every year.

[Thingamabob]

3 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Since most (ethanol, hydrogen, propane, LPG, and methano) have been around for decades, and not progressed much, except for hydrogen, and that is just a Toyota distraction tactic, as impractical for personal vehicles.  Been pushed for a bout 20+ yrs and gotten nowhere.

 

Where as BEV are being mass produced and taking over the market, with improvements every year.

Thank you. Your views are noted.

[Andrew Dwyer]

Brazil has been attempting to adopt Ethanol for 50 years due to a gasoline crisis and excess sugar cane production.

While several advances in technology have emerged the end result does not show much improvement.

Ethanol was added to gasoline to create “álcool” , used as an alternative fuel it proved much cheaper but unfortunately the mpg suffered.

”Flex” fuel engines were introduced with the ability to run either fuel or a mixture of both.

Fluctuations in gasoline and ethanol price meant sometimes it was more economical to run álcool and sometimes gasoline. Resulting in a comical situation where gas stations would display the percentage of price álcool versus gasoline:

eg. Álcool 69% of gas = use álcool 

Álcool 71% of gas = use gas

Álcool 70% of gas = take your pick.

Some states taxing differences also come into effect meaning if you live near to a state border it may be possible to get cheaper fuel by travelling a little.

While Flex fuel cars took off big time, motorcycles also available, many have stated that due to the tuning of Flex fuel engines to accept both fuels the mpg suffers and opted to have their cars tuned for one fuel only !

 

While many of the legacy automakers have adopted flexible fuel engines in their new models ( currently 14, including Toyota, Honda, Fiat, Ford and BMW ) some might say they have been forced into production as the population have been lead to believe that “ Flex “ cars are more economical.

Others have said that due to the compromise in setting engine tuning the mpg suffers and therefore does not warrant the time and money spent on development.

[JBChiangRai]

19 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

Don't worry. We've got your message, and your enthusiasm for battery driven cars is understood. Take it easy, and have a nice day.

 

I too was a sceptic, but I did my research in great detail and it was clear to me that BEV's were the way forward and all the other NEV's (New Energy Vehicles) were nothing more than "noise" in the market.  I was then prepared to invest my money in a BEV.  Even so, I bought a PHEV first, and much preferred the silent EV experience, but I was disappointed with the range (19km) and poor EV only experience (120hp).

 

You have a nice day too.

[Seeall]

On 2/2/2025 at 2:42 PM, CharlieH said:

https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2017/01/electric-vehicle-charging-vs-gasoline-e1484590338347.jpg?quality=82&strip=all&w=1600

 

 

Let’s talk about cars. More specifically, let’s talk about how many Western expats in Thailand stubbornly cling to their beloved Toyotas, Hondas, and Ford Rangers while side-eyeing the rise of electric vehicles (EVs)—especially those made by Chinese brands.

If that statement makes you bristle, well, keep reading.

Badge Loyalty: The Comfort Zone That’s Holding You Back

Many expats, particularly those over 50, remain fiercely loyal to familiar brands. Toyota? Bulletproof reliability. Honda? Trusty workhorse. BMW or Mercedes? Status symbols of refined taste. But let’s be honest—brand loyalty often has less to do with logic and more to do with nostalgia.

The world has changed. Just as Nokia ruled the mobile phone market before Apple and Samsung flipped the game, the automotive industry is undergoing a seismic shift. Chinese automakers, once dismissed as producers of cheap knock-offs, are now leading the charge in EV technology. Yet, many expats still resist, muttering about “cheap Chinese cars” while ignoring the fact that brands like BYD, MG, and Neta are outselling traditional automakers in Thailand’s booming EV market.

The “Chinese Car” Bias: Time for a Reality Check

Let’s address the elephant in the room—many Westerners have an ingrained bias against Chinese-made products. “Made in China” used to be shorthand for low quality. But fast-forward to 2025, and China is not just making EVs; they are dominating the global market.

Take BYD, for example. Once mocked as a budget brand, it now outsells Tesla in several markets and produces some of the most advanced EV batteries in the world. The BYD Dolphin, a compact yet feature-rich EV, is already a hit in Thailand, offering a sleek design, excellent range, and tech features that put some European cars to shame.

MG—yes, that old British brand now owned by China’s SAIC Motor—is another major player. The MG4, an affordable yet stylish hatchback, is proving that EVs don’t have to be boring or expensive. Meanwhile, Neta, a newer entry, is rapidly making waves with its cost-effective yet high-tech models.

Still think Chinese cars are “cheap junk”? If so, you might be as outdated as a VCR.

One Foot in Each Camp: The Hybrid Compromise

To be fair, not all expats are resisting change entirely. Some are taking a measured approach by choosing hybrids—a sensible way to bridge the gap between old-school combustion engines and full electrification. Vehicles like the Toyota Corolla Cross Hybrid or the Honda Accord e:HEV allow drivers to experience better fuel efficiency, lower emissions, and a taste of electric driving without fully committing to an EV.

This approach makes sense. For those still skeptical about charging infrastructure or battery longevity, hybrids serve as a stepping stone—helping to shift the mindset gradually. But let’s be real: hybrids are not the final destination. They’re the halfway house before full electrification takes over. It’s like using CDs in the early 2000s before finally giving in to streaming music.

At least these expats are adapting, which is more than can be said for those still clinging to their gas-guzzling trucks while complaining about rising fuel costs.

Why Holding Onto ICE Cars is Like Sticking with Cassette Tapes

Let’s get real—internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles are on borrowed time. Governments worldwide are tightening emissions regulations, and the push toward electrification is undeniable. Clinging to gas-powered cars in 2025 is like insisting your CD collection is superior to Spotify. Sure, it works, but is it really the best choice?

Thailand is fully embracing EVs. Charging infrastructure is expanding rapidly, and the government is offering generous incentives to make EV adoption easier. The Bangkok Metropolitan Administration is pushing for an all-electric taxi fleet, and major automakers are investing billions in EV production right here in Thailand.

 

So why are so many expats still resisting?

Time to Adapt: You’re Living in Asia, After All

Here’s the kicker—many of the same expats who scoff at Chinese EVs are living in a country where Chinese businesses are thriving. Thailand’s economy is deeply tied to China, from tech to tourism to manufacturing. Whether you like it or not, China’s influence is everywhere.

Isn’t it time to let go of old biases? If you can enjoy dim sum, use a Xiaomi smartphone, or buy products off Lazada (owned by Alibaba), why draw the line at a well-built, technologically advanced EV?

Drive the Future, Not the Past

The automotive world is changing, whether you’re ready or not. EVs are here to stay, and China is leading the charge. You don’t have to ditch your beloved ICE car overnight, but maybe, just maybe, it’s time to step out of your comfort zone and give an EV a test drive.

Who knows? You might actually like it.

And if not, well, there’s always your old Toyota Hilux to fall back on—until it becomes as obsolete as a fax machine.

 

 

Related topics in discussion:

Specific EV Questions 

Electric Vehicles in Thailand 

 

It's simple mathematics find out how much a replacement battery cost and how long it will last before it does not hold the same capacity anymore the math soon goes sour not to mention when these get older who's going to repair them that will be throw away items by another one and not to mention technology has changed even Elon is preferring hydrogen now that's why people not deep down

[JBChiangRai]

21 minutes ago, Seeall said:

It's simple mathematics find out how much a replacement battery cost and how long it will last before it does not hold the same capacity anymore the math soon goes sour not to mention when these get older who's going to repair them that will be throw away items by another one and not to mention technology has changed even Elon is preferring hydrogen now that's why people not deep down

 

Elon does not prefer Hydrogen, that is fake news.  He calls the Hydrogen Fuel Cell Car a Fool Cell.  If you scroll up you will see why Hydrogen cars are not going to happen.

 

Batteries are expected to last the life of the vehicle and at least one manufacturer warrants them for life.

 

Do some proper research, your local bar is not research.

[KhunLA]

32 minutes ago, Seeall said:

It's simple mathematics find out how much a replacement battery cost and how long it will last before it does not hold the same capacity anymore the math soon goes sour not to mention when these get older who's going to repair them that will be throw away items by another one and not to mention technology has changed even Elon is preferring hydrogen now that's why people not deep down

... Posting .... Suggest you take your own advice before posting 

 

Been posted more than a few times, but feel free to ignore the facts before you post silliness.

[farangkinok]

"I'm an ordinary man
Who desires nothing more
Than just an ordinary chance to live exactly as he likes
And do precisely what he wants
An average man am I, of no eccentric whim
Who likes to live his life, free of strife
Doing whatever he thinks is best, for him
Well, just an ordinary man." - Alan Jay Lerner & Frederick Loewe, film version of "I'm an Ordinary Man"

 

I'd be equally as willing for a dentist to be drilling
Than to ever let an EV in my life. 

 

P.S. - Will you be able to afford to replace the car battery should the necessity arise? 

 

P.P.S.  - Let me know when there's an EV powered by solar cells or a wind turbine mounted on the roof. 😆

 

 

 

[ignore it]

My 1998 Honda City has been on life support for years

[Gweiloman]

8 minutes ago, farangkinok said:

Than to ever let an EV in my life. 

Your loss. Have a nice day.

[KhunLA]

56 minutes ago, farangkinok said:

People do have choices ... and your choice is ?

 

We chose BEVs and most electrons from solar, unless O&A and overnighting somewhere. 

 

Which case, most energy from natural gas in TH.  Not perfect, but a work in progress, away from using more polluting materials.  Not that the planet needs saving.

 

Just my hard earned money saved.  OK, that's a stretch, as nothing hard about that.  

 

Choices ...

... give away to conglomerates

... spend on yourself