Farage’s Reform UK Surges as Tory Voters Defect in Droves

[nauseus]

46 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Oh look another personal attack.

 

Perish the thought. 

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Looks like the distraction began on day one. No help needed to achieve self-destruction by this bunch of lying morons. 

Well certainly the rightwing media’s campaign against the Labour Government kicked off on day one.

[Eloquent pilgrim]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s not hatred, it’s pelican competition.

 

They both compete for support from the same pool of racists and bigots.

 

 

 

The classic far left slur of “racists and bigots” in a sweeping generalisation, designed, as usual, to negate any value of those with opposing views to uncontrolled immigration. Reform received 4 million votes at the last election, 14% of the votes cast, but here you are as a non UK resident, dismissing them as racists and bigots.

 

I suppose that is easier for you than offering an intellectual argument as to what benefit it is to the UK, and Europe, to import thousand and thousands of mostly young men who are adherents to Islam, a religion and culture that is totally incompatible with western civilisation, and refuses to integrate.

 

What are the benefits do you think ? is it the 50, and counting, muslim rape gangs, or maybe the 85, and counting Sharia councils, because I, and many others, are unable to see any benefits at all.

 

 

 

 

[Elvis Presley]

The writing is on the wall for the UK.

 

Farage WILL be prime minister at some point in the near future.

 

Populism/Nationalism is on the rise across the west.

You can thank the so called 'Religion of Peace' for that.

 

regards,

Elvis.

[superal]

Badenoch was not a good choice as the new Tory leader , as current polls and defections show . What surprises me is that Labour are so high in the polls but as we know polls are often wrong . The reality is , there are those that will always stay with their traditional political parties and defend them stubbornly .  

The Tories only way to remain buoyant is to take a back seat with the Reform party . Like it or not the Western world countries are mostly against uncontrolled immigration at the expense of their own nationals whose standards of living have fallen . Hence the popularity of Trump and other so-called right wing politicians .  Now whether Farage is the man to save the UK I am not sure . Richard Tice could be the one . 

Further more , under this Labour lot , you must be careful of what you say or if against Labours thinking you may end up in jail . Tommy Robinson is no saint but he speaks mostly about  the reality of the demise of the UK and his imprisonment of 18 months in solitary confinement was over the top .  

[MicroB]

31 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

 

Nobody cares.

 

The next election will be fought on immigration.

 

There are too many foreigners in Britain.

 

Read the room. 

 

 

Reading the same room and closer to the action than you. Next election; ~340 Tory Seats, ~206 Labour, Reform, 45, nearly all Northern seats, Libs; 20ish, SNP; 20 ish, 19 for rest. Tory government with a majority of 15, not including the NI Unionist parties. In the run up, one Reform MP defects to the Tories but loses his seat. Reform mostly win at the expense of the Labour Party. Farage doesn't run for Clacton, as he can't stand the town, and instead switches to Bradford and wins there after a narrow contest with George Galloway.

 

By 2029, Trump will no longer be President, either an ex-President or dead. People will be sick of Farage name droppeing an 80 year old, who spent most of the previous years making an enemy of the UK. There will be a new raft of US politicians, Republican or Democrat, who will treat Farage with contempt. He will have spent the last few years trying to justify to the British people why Trump spent years screwing over the UK, first through tariffs, then  when Trump abandons Estonia after Russian tanks briefly seize the capital.  Farage is simply too much of a reminder of the MAGA madness. The British people don't like bullies, and we always back the underdog.  We generally don't like God Botherers, Holy Joes, whether real or pretend. Whether true or not, Trump will become the laughing stock in the UK, thanks to how the Sun, Mirror, Mail report on him, as they draw the UK-First wagons. We will be reminded why we call Americans the "Septics". Like a Septic Tank, full of it. While there is a close relationship between the two countries, there has always been a certain tension.

 

The next election will be based on the economy and taxes. Labour will tax us, the economy won't be doing well, because of basic ideological differences. The Tories will have spent the previous 5 years, with a fully stocked front bench, picking apart Labour policy after policy in a way that Reform with 4-5 MPs cannot talk about. Reform is still basically a 1 person party. They won't get the airtime, except for 1 issue only,  When the reason people don't have money in their pocket and can't afford their mortgage, its easier to vocalise that its Labour's taxation policies and incompetance than to pretend all its down to immigrants. The Tories will point to a past, pre-2019, and running the economy well. While still a Brexit party, they will do a more convincing job of steering that middle line between the US and Europe. The country is noticeably more hostile to the US, particularly after President Trump dismisses the Royal Marines  as ineffectual and backs the Argentinian claims to the Falklands as he continues to pursue Greenland, but it is now talking about Jamaica as well, The British people feel a closer affection for the Commonwealth, and don't like how kith and kin in Canada are being bullied by the German from New York.

 

Reform, being the third largest party in parliament, get to ask more questions, which raises their profile, but its a highwater market for the protest party. With more voices, the lack of Party Discipline becomes apparent and no one actually knews what they stand for, as the party tries to beat the electorial reform issue again, in a wierd alliance withn the new PETA-Green Party, which no one understands.

 

The incoming Conservative government is largely unrecognisable from 2024, but people are sick of Farage's gurning, but can't recall the name of a single other Reform MP. When quizzed, the public are convinced that Anne Widdecombe must be a Reform MP as she's on telly a lot. They don't like her screechy voice. Liz Truss loses her deposit while standing as the Real Reform UK Party (slogan; MEGA) candidate in Boston, a sad end for not a particularly rosey political career.

 

Simple analysis of 2019 Tory voters and how they voted in 2024

 

25% of Tories in 2019 didn't bother  voting in 2024. They will vote tory again with the right leader, and that leader ain't Farage

50% of the 2019 Tories who voted in 2024 stuck with the Tories and Rishi Sunak. If Farage couldn't win Tories who voted for an Indian in 2024, he have no chance in 2029. Get the right leader, and they will come back over Even without the right leader, they will. So thats 37% of the 2019 voters in the bag.

25% voted Farage. Some might come back.

20% voted Labour or Liberal Dems. They will also come back, and no way will they vote Farage.

 

In 2024, Reform came second in 98 seats., 60 of those Labour, all in the North of England.  They won't grow their share in the natural Tory seats. They will pick up Labour seats. 40 gains for them will be a very good night for them. With greater exposure in parliament, their candidates will be found wanting as the 2029-34 parliament becomes very concerned about the economic recovery.

 

The 83 election shows Labour floating voters are more likely to switch to Tory and vice versa, rather than a disruptor party. Hence, Reform will be like a blue version of the SDP, but with less nous.
 

 

[James105]

8 minutes ago, superal said:

Badenoch was not a good choice as the new Tory leader , as current polls and defections show . What surprises me is that Labour are so high in the polls but as we know polls are often wrong . The reality is , there are those that will always stay with their traditional political parties and defend them stubbornly .  

The Tories only way to remain buoyant is to take a back seat with the Reform party . Like it or not the Western world countries are mostly against uncontrolled immigration at the expense of their own nationals whose standards of living have fallen . Hence the popularity of Trump and other so-called right wing politicians .  Now whether Farage is the man to save the UK I am not sure . Richard Tice could be the one . 

Further more , under this Labour lot , you must be careful of what you say or if against Labours thinking you may end up in jail . Tommy Robinson is no saint but he speaks mostly about  the reality of the demise of the UK and his imprisonment of 18 months in solitary confinement was over the top .  

 

Don't forget the state employs millions of people.   These are pretty much all Labour voters and will keep Labour on at least 20%.  Unless Labour start killing public sector workers first born or something equally horrific to them such as bringing their pensions into line with the private sector then that will probably remain the same.   

[MicroB]

46 minutes ago, NoshowJones said:

Labour has never had any working class roots in my adult lifetime.

 

 

That makes you 28 years old.

[MicroB]

58 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Or the third option.

 

Labour delivers improved economy and improved public services while actually dealing with immigration rather than using as a means to distract the electorate.

 

 

 

 

I doubt it. The public will get confused about what the government thinks needs improving and what they think needs improving.

 

Depending how it plays out, what will have some resonance in the UK, is how the US government is cutting costs. Labour will not cut the costs of its Ministries. Take for example Education;  it actually has a huge budget, and it will get bigger under Labour, and that will be spent not on things people think are important in education, but on things Labour thinks is important. SO my local MP believes its the most important thing ever, in the histriy of schools that more mental health counsellors are appointed and free breakfast clubs set up. A majortiy of teachers surveyed by TES indicated the expectation is that attendance will not be improved, neither would child health.

 

Healthcare is complex, Brutally, the only way to get post COVID waiting times down is for patients to die. They will be distracted by vain attempts to address that, while ignoring the bigger issue of social care funding and underfunded (actually not funded) Discharge-to-Assess, which is truely Orwellian for patients, but its a process that appeals to Labour's instincts (basiically, if you are in hospital for a period, when you are discharged, you are now discharged to a Care Home, and the State gets to decide if you can ever go home again).

 

The economy won't recover. Staglation is setting in, a result of a mixture of Labour ineptness; Racheal Reeves is no Gordon Brown, but also handicapped by the UK;s reduced position in the world (we are less of an influence on global economic trends now, and will be largely powerless to respnd to Trumpian tariffs.).

[NoshowJones]

19 minutes ago, MicroB said:

 

 

That makes you 28 years old.

No, I remember as a young guy Harold Wilson leading the country into bankruptcy in the seventies and every Labour government since robbing the working class with all sorts of tax increases, and made up taxes ie SET whatever that meant, and what about Blair and Brown? Need I say more?

[connda]

Like Germany is trying to do to the AfD, I wonder when the Tories and Labor get together and try to ban the Reform UK party in order to "Save democracy from 'far-right extremism'."

In the meanwhile the Reform UK party attempts to save the UK from woke authoritarianism bordering on totalitarianism.  The voters are in revolt and although not a majority, a significant quorum of voters are rejecting the status quo the the status quo is besides itself in fear and loathing.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

The classic far left slur of “racists and bigots” in a sweeping generalisation, designed, as usual, to negate any value of those with opposing views to uncontrolled immigration. Reform received 4 million votes at the last election, 14% of the votes cast, but here you are as a non UK resident, dismissing them as racists and bigots.

 

I suppose that is easier for you than offering an intellectual argument as to what benefit it is to the UK, and Europe, to import thousand and thousands of mostly young men who are adherents to Islam, a religion and culture that is totally incompatible with western civilisation, and refuses to integrate.

 

What are the benefits do you think ? is it the 50, and counting, muslim rape gangs, or maybe the 85, and counting Sharia councils, because I, and many others, are unable to see any benefits at all.

 

 

 

 

I understand your sensitivity to my observation that racists and bigots are attracted to Farage and Reform UK, some, I believe, as ‘party’ members.

 

Your habitual fixation on Islam and Muslims might be an explanation. 

[hotandsticky]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I understand your sensitivity to my observation that racists and bigots are attracted to Farage and Reform UK, some, I believe, as ‘party’ members.

 

Your habitual fixation on Islam and Muslims might be an explanation. 

 

 

Racists and bigots will gravitate to Reform as they have nowhere else to hang their hats. Farage will try to clean his house up by rejecting/expelling 'unsuitable' members - he has done that.

 

Don't be mistaken by thinking that all Reform supporters are bigots/racists. Reform will attract many disillusioned Tory voters - for anyone labelled centre/centre right Reform could offer the only viable political to support. 

[Nick Carter icp]

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I understand your sensitivity to my observation that racists and bigots are attracted to Farage and Reform UK, some, I believe, as ‘party’ members.

 

Your habitual fixation on Islam and Muslims might be an explanation. 

 

   What about the Anti semites ?

Have they moved over from Labour to Reform ?

[Eloquent pilgrim]

26 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I understand your sensitivity to my observation that racists and bigots are attracted to Farage and Reform UK, some, I believe, as ‘party’ members.

 

Your habitual fixation on Islam and Muslims might be an explanation. 

 

 

So, you cannot tell me what benefits there are to the UK, to import thousands of young male Islamists, who will not integrate into UK  society; it comes as no surprise that you have completely ignored that question, and will do so again …. and again, and again.

 

You will however, no doubt think it is somehow bigoted or Islamophobic to ask such a simple and very reasonable question.

 

 

 

[John Drake]

3 hours ago, Elvis Presley said:

The writing is on the wall for the UK.

 

Farage WILL be prime minister at some point in the near future.

 

Populism/Nationalism is on the rise across the west.

You can thank the so called 'Religion of Peace' for that.

 

regards,

Elvis.

 

Will there ever be another parliamentary election in the UK?

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

 

So, you cannot tell me what benefits there are to the UK, to import thousands of young male Islamists, who will not integrate into UK  society; it comes as no surprise that you have completely ignored that question, and will do so again …. and again, and again.

 

You will however, no doubt think it is somehow bigoted or Islamophobic to ask such a simple and very reasonable question.

 

 

 

I don’t need to, it’s not an Islam/Muslim fixated argument I have ever made.

 

I think it’s bigoted to habitually juxtaposition discussion of immigration with your Islam/Muslim fixation, doubly so when you continually frame your views of a whole religion and its adherents within the crimes committed by individuals, not by the whole Muslim community.

 

Given it’s been my experience that individual adherents to any religion vary widely in how ‘adherent’ they are, I’m at a bit of a loss to understand on what basis you claim to know there are ‘thousands of young male Islamists’ being imported to the UK.
 

Perhaps you have a basis for this statement, if so do you care to share?

 

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, John Drake said:

 

Will there ever be another parliamentary election in the UK?

Yes, in a little over 4 years.

 

Interestingly, after Trump has left office and the world has had a chance to witness untethered right wing Government and its outcome.

 

[Elvis Presley]

1 minute ago, John Drake said:

 

Will there ever be another parliamentary election in the UK?

...are you implying that Reform UK will obliterate democracy in the UK?

 

regards,

Elvis.

[GarryP]

3 hours ago, Elvis Presley said:

The writing is on the wall for the UK.

 

Farage WILL be prime minister at some point in the near future.

 

Populism/Nationalism is on the rise across the west.

You can thank the so called 'Religion of Peace' for that.

 

regards,

Elvis.

Heaven forbid. You can't trust Farage as far as you can throw him. A self serving narcisist. Having said that, I do believe that the position of Reform is correct. Just wish they could get a new leader and sort out the ownership of the party, i.e. taking it out of the hands of Tice and Farage or at least greatly reducing their shareholding by ringing in others. Also, this guy is too polarising. Ben Habib would be a much better leader and even Rupert Lowe would be better than Farage. 

[Chomper Higgot]

40 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   What about the Anti semites ?

Have they moved over from Labour to Reform ?

I believe they are being discussed in other threads.

 

Maybe you thought that’s were you were posting?!

[hotandsticky]

1 minute ago, GarryP said:

Heaven forbid. You can't trust Farage as far as you can throw him. A self serving narcisist. Having said that, I do believe that the position of Reform is correct. Just wish they could get a new leader and sort out the ownership of the party, i.e. taking it out of the hands of Tice and Farage or at least greatly reducing their shareholding by ringing in others. Also, this guy is too polarising. Ben Habib would be a much better leader and even Rupert Lowe would be better than Farage. 

 

 

Farage is no less trsutworthy than the last 5 occupants of the PM's office and is certainly no more narcissistic than Starmer, Sunak, Johnson et al.

 

Personally, I don't wnt to lose the real characters from the political  scene.

[Nick Carter icp]

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I believe they are being discussed in other threads.

 

Maybe you thought that’s were you were posting?!

 

   Nope , I didnt think that I was posting in another thread , I was asking you a direct question but the answer is "Look over there are that other thread " .

[baansgr]

Of course they will win the next election that will probably be called very early. With the murdering, stabbing, raping of the white working class it will happen. Starmer and his Nazi fascist bootboy stormtroopers gaoling innocent people for a tweet or FB post to calm the civil unrest bubbling away  will only work temporary. People will not plead guilty anymore so goes to trial and they are found not guilty. Some are refusing to pay council tax for no services and dei appointments costing millions each year. Buckle up, the true working class have had enough of having to work for 3rd world scroungers that hate them..until another party understands this they don't stand a chance

[hotandsticky]

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Well certainly the rightwing media’s campaign against the Labour Government kicked off on day one.

 

 

That is certainly one of your weakest counters (not that there are usually any sytrong ones).

[Eloquent pilgrim]

32 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I don’t need to, it’s not an Islam/Muslim fixated argument I have ever made.

 

I think it’s bigoted to habitually juxtaposition discussion of immigration with your Islam/Muslim fixation, doubly so when you continually frame your views of a whole religion and its adherents within the crimes committed by individuals, not by the whole Muslim community.

 

Given it’s been my experience that individual adherents to any religion vary widely in how ‘adherent’ they are, I’m at a bit of a loss to understand on what basis you claim to know there are ‘thousands of young male Islamists’ being imported to the UK.
 

Perhaps you have a basis for this statement, if so do you care to share?

 

 

 

 

 

More of your default deflection and obfuscation; this topic is about how Reform have gained in popularity, and that is entirely due to their stance on immigration, nothing else; millions of people in the UK are appalled by the muslim rape gangs, the cover up by Labour councils, incidents like the Batley Grammar school teacher, and the forming of 85 or more Sharia councils.

 

So Islamic / Muslim immigration is the main concern in the UK, and if you lived in the UK or knew anything about it, you would understand that. When you call supports of Reform racists and bigots for objecting to this immigration, I think it is quite reasonable to ask you what benefit you think it offers the UK, but you cannot answer, can you ?

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

More of your default deflection and obfuscation; this topic is about how Reform have gained in popularity, and that is entirely due to their stance on immigration, nothing else; millions of people in the UK are appalled by the muslim rape gangs, the cover up by Labour councils, incidents like the Batley Grammar school teacher, and the forming of 85 or more Sharia councils.

 

So Islamic / Muslim immigration is the main concern in the UK, and if you lived in the UK or knew anything about it, you would understand that. When you call supports of Reform racists and bigots for objecting to this immigration, I think it is quite reasonable to ask you what benefit you think it offers the UK, but you cannot answer, can you ?

 

 

 

If I had ever lived in the UK?

 

When did I call supporters of Reform UK racists and bigots?

 

No it’s not reasonable to ask me to defend an argument I have never made or a point of view I have never expressed.

 

If you want o invent points of view and then argue against them, knock yourself out, but please, don’t involve me.

[baansgr]

9 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

More of your default deflection and obfuscation; this topic is about how Reform have gained in popularity, and that is entirely due to their stance on immigration, nothing else; millions of people in the UK are appalled by the muslim rape gangs, the cover up by Labour councils, incidents like the Batley Grammar school teacher, and the forming of 85 or more Sharia councils.

 

So Islamic / Muslim immigration is the main concern in the UK, and if you lived in the UK or knew anything about it, you would understand that. When you call supports of Reform racists and bigots for objecting to this immigration, I think it is quite reasonable to ask you what benefit you think it offers the UK, but you cannot answer, can you ?

 

 

Of course he can't but at least he get a curry 😊..only 127 stabbings this year already, including 2 white kids murdered, what a messed up sh@thole UK is, and all down to 3rd world immigration 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

16 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

If I had ever lived in the UK?

 

When did I call supporters of Reform UK racists and bigots?

 

No it’s not reasonable to ask me to defend an argument I have never made or a point of view I have never expressed.

 

If you want o invent points of view and then argue against them, knock yourself out, but please, don’t involve me.

 

So you can’t tell us what benefit the importation of thousands of young muslim men is to the UK.

 

Strange that, because you usually defend any criticism of anything to do with Islam or muslims, with the sort of fanaticism not often found west of Damascus.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

So you can’t tell us what benefit the importation of thousands of young muslim men is to the UK.

 

Strange that, because you usually defend any criticism of anything to do with Islam or muslims, with the sort of fanaticism not often found west of Damascus.

 

Again I do not need to defend any argument I have not made or point of view I have not expressed.

 

Though I do understand why you need to deflect from having statements you have made being challenged.