Why do people still believe in covid?

[Stiddle Mump]

  On 2/13/2025 at 10:30 AM, RayC said:

 

Middle Stump,

 

You'll forgive me if I prefer the explanations proffered by, dare I say, a more illustrious source:

 

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/flu/symptoms-causes/syc-20351719

 

https://www.mayoclinichealthsystem.org/topics/covid-19

 

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Of course I'll forgive you Ray.

 

There are no enemies here; just educators. We are all free-thinkers; are we not?

 

Beware Ray. All is not what is seems with the wwws you posted. My explanation of the flu and covid are the truth.

[RayC]

  On 2/13/2025 at 10:46 AM, Stiddle Mump said:

Of course I'll forgive you Ray.

 

There are no enemies here; just educators. We are all free-thinkers; are we not?

 

Beware Ray. All is not what is seems with the wwws you posted. My explanation of the flu and covid are the truth.

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We can all create versions of the truth, Stump.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Re the nonsence OP post in this thread, perhaps the answer to the question posed has something to do with the following:

 

Now, more than 5 years after the arrival of COVID, we still have nearly 1,000 people-a-week dying of COVID in the United States, with the recent year-end spike shown below that has become commonplace with COVID.

 

 

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_weeklydeaths_select_00

 

The gray colored columns for the several more recent weeks not shown in the above chart are PARTIAL counts that will become final/blue colored columns in the chart once the counts for those weeks are finalized. The last blue column above for the week ending Jan. 11 is the latest finalized weekly count.

 

From the footnotes section of the above CDC website:

 

"Source: Provisional Deaths from the CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) National Vital Statistics System (NVSS). 

 

Provisional data are non-final counts of deaths based on the flow of mortality data in NVSS. Deaths include those with COVID-19, coded to ICD–10 code U07.1, as an underlying or contributing cause of death on the death certificate."

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

On its 5th anniversary, experts address questions about COVID-19

February 07, 2025

 

“The pandemic is over if you define pandemic as something that changes the way we live, work or play,” Paul A. Offit, MD, director of the Vaccine Education Center and attending physician in the division of infectious diseases at The Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, told Healio. “We are back to normal, but the virus isn't over.”

 

According to WHO, more than 777 million cases of COVID-19 have been reported globally, including more than 7 million deaths, with 103 million cases and 1.2 million deaths being reported in the United States alone.

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According to a recently published study, nearly 5% of people with a SARS-CoV-2 infection go on to experience myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS), the symptoms of which overlap significantly with long COVID, according to Walter Koroshetz, MD, director of the NIH’s National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke. Cases of ME/CFS are now 15 times higher than before the COVID-19 pandemic, the study found.

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https://www.healio.com/news/infectious-disease/20250207/on-its-5th-anniversary-experts-address-questions-about-covid19

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

5 years since COVID declared public health emergency in US, still killing thousands

February 1, 2025

 

Friday marks five years since the COVID-19 virus was declared a public health emergency by the United States. But five years later, the virus is still killing thousands, according to experts.

 

"One of the things we have learned is that COVID came to us new, and now is integrated into our way of life," said Dr. William Schaffner, professor of preventive medicine at Vanderbilt University Medical Center. "COVID is not going away, and it still causes a substantial amount of illness each year."

 

While the world might not be in a global pandemic anymore, Sean Clarke, a professor of nursing leadership at New York University, said COVID is still a constant presence.  "The virus is still persistent and still moving. It's still not a trivial thing," Clarke told ABC News. "It hasn't vanished, it's just at a different point."

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/5-years-covid-declared-public-health-emergency-killing/story?id=118316756

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Long COVID impacting more than 1 million children: CDC study suggests

Higher levels of long COVID were found in lower-income households.

 

February 3, 2025

 

More than 1 million children may have been affected by long COVID as of 2023, new federal data published Monday suggests.

 

Long COVID, a condition that occurs when patients still have symptoms at least three months after clearing infection, has been well-documented in adults, but its impact on children has been less clear.

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Results of the analysis, published in the journal JAMA Pediatrics, showed approximately 1.01 million children, or 1.4%, are believed to have ever experienced long COVID as of 2023 and about 293,000, or 0.4%, were experiencing the condition when the survey was being conducted.

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/long-covid-impacting-1-million-children-cdc-study/story?id=118393880

 

 

[bokningar]

  On 2/13/2025 at 12:54 AM, Red Phoenix said:

Three keys to understanding why there was no pandemic

Source: https://wherearethenumbers.substack.com/p/why-do-people-still-believe-in-covid

 

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In this serious and somewhat lengthy article the authors make a strong case by providing evidence that - despite all the hysteria and 'scientific' publications - there never was a pandemic. 

After presenting their case they ask this rhetoric - and highly relevant - question:

Why is this still being ignored?

Similar to lab leak versus wet market, in 2020 we were presented with another false dichotomy about PCR tests and invited to take one of two sides - the tests are too sensitive, or they are not sensitive enough, but either way each option is framed on the supposition that a novel pathogen is in circulation. Discussion of the third option - that the tests were not picking up a new novel virus at all but were repackaging other viruses and presenting them as novel were ridiculed, ignored, suppressed and censored.

Why is this evidence still being ignored five years after the initiation of the event?

Why do people still believe in covid?

 

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China trying to fee from blame much?

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

COVID vaccination saved more than 5,000 US lives in 7 months in 2023-24, CDC estimates

February 8, 2025

 

COVID-19 vaccination averted more than 5,000 US in-hospital deaths, 13,000 intensive care unit (ICU) admissions, and 68,000 hospitalizations in 7 months in 2023-2024, researchers from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimated late last week in Vaccine, although with considerable uncertainty.

 

The investigators estimated COVID-related deaths, ICU admissions, and hospitalizations prevented by vaccination from October 1, 2023, to April 21, 2024, using a novel multiplier model that used causal inference, conditional probabilities of hospitalization, and correlations between data elements in simulations.

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More vaccinations would further cut poor outcomes

Older adults had the highest averted burden "due to higher COVID-19-associated hospitalization rates in adults aged 65 years or older compared to other age groups; adults aged 65 years or older accounted for between 80% and 90% of the averted COVID-19- associated hospitalizations, ICU admissions, and in-hospital deaths," the researchers wrote.

 

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/covid-vaccination-saved-more-5000-us-lives-7-months-2023-24-cdc-estimates

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

More than 1.2 million COVID deaths in the U.S. alone since the start of the pandemic, a number that continues rising every week now more than 5 years after the pandemic began.

 

 

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_totaldeaths_select_00

 

 

[jts-khorat]

  On 2/13/2025 at 2:46 AM, connda said:

@Red Phoenix Yeah, I'm still floored at the sheer number of Thais who bought into the pandemic 110%, and five years later still do.  All masked up for a mild flu and no doubt up-to-date on their Covid boosters and probably coming down with Covid on a yearly basis.  Worse are the Thai corporations who force their employees to mask up during working hours.  You can tell which corporation they are - walk into one of their stores and 100% of the employees are masked up.  At other corporate run stores without a mask policies the masked employees reflect the general public where 40% to 50% remained masked out of fear of Covid.  The people who instigated this sham quite literally mentally harmed entire swaths of the Thai public, a public who tend to be unquestioning followers to this day.  Freaking sad!

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You cannot be in Thailand long if you do not remember, that Thais have worn those masks long before Covid, both due to air pollution and because they are mindful of not spreading any infections they have.

[save the frogs]

What if it was a positive conspiracy that actually was for your own good? 

 

 

[scottiejohn]

  On 2/13/2025 at 2:54 PM, save the frogs said:

What if it was a positive conspiracy that actually was for your own good? 

 

 

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What if I didn't know about it?

[gamb00ler]

  On 2/13/2025 at 2:55 AM, ThaiPauly said:

Qui

 

easy to work out his real name

Howzat 😆 

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@Stiddle Mump, @owl sees all  whatever.... it's pretty amusing that somebody would waste their time pushing truly bizarre theories on AN... that's a pretty fupped duck obsession.

[Red Phoenix]

  On 2/13/2025 at 1:54 PM, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Re the nonsence OP post in this thread, perhaps the answer to the question posed has something to do with the following:

 

Now, more than 5 years after the arrival of COVID, we still have nearly 1,000 people-a-week dying of COVID in the United States, with the recent year-end spike shown below that has become commonplace with COVID.

 

 

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_weeklydeaths_select_00

 

The gray colored columns for the several more recent weeks not shown in the above chart are PARTIAL counts that will become final/blue colored columns in the chart once the counts for those weeks are finalized. The last blue column above for the week ending Jan. 11 is the latest finalized weekly count.

 

From the footnotes section of the above CDC website:

 

"Source: Provisional Deaths from the CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) National Vital Statistics System (NVSS). 

 

Provisional data are non-final counts of deaths based on the flow of mortality data in NVSS. Deaths include those with COVID-19, coded to ICD–10 code U07.1, as an underlying or contributing cause of death on the death certificate."

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Thanks for posting that graph > I reposted it below.

It's hardly reconcilable with the initial Covid-19 Vax (faux) promises of 'flattening the curve' and 'preventing death from Covid'.  And when that turned out to be incorrect, later watered down to 'preventing worse', even with boosters that were never mentioned at roll-out. 

In short: the Covid-19 vaxes didn't 'deliver', which makes it all the more amazing that people keep believing their benign effects. 

Oh, wait a minute.  They actually DID deliver: by harming the immune system of those that were coerced or gullible enough to roll up their sleeves.  And the deaths from infections (see graph), that are labeled as Covid-19 to convince you to 'keep on boosting' is far from over.  

And then I am not even talking about the explosion of heart-diseases, nerval disorders and extremely fast-developing cancers, all due to that Gift that keeps on Giving... 

[Red Phoenix]

  On 2/14/2025 at 12:33 AM, nomad22 said:

 

Perhaps it's the massive spike in total deaths that occurred during the pandemic that makes people keep believe in it? 

 

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Yep, the combination of deadly hospital treatments (ventilators) and Covid-19 gen-therapies did a very effective culling job all under the guise of 'protecting your health'.    

[Red Phoenix]

  On 2/13/2025 at 2:54 PM, save the frogs said:

What if it was a positive conspiracy that actually was for your own good?

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I don't see anything positive about it, with the exception of the fake 'positive' results from the sham PCR-test that you were Covid-19 infected.

[save the frogs]

  On 2/14/2025 at 1:06 AM, Red Phoenix said:

I don't see anything positive about it, with the exception of the fake 'positive' results from the sham PCR-test that you were Covid-19 infected.

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Remote / hybrid work became common because of Covid.

That's one positive thing.

 

[connda]

Why do people still believe in covid?

 

Because Covid became their "God" to be feared,  Anthony Fauci became the High Priest of The Cult of the Covidians, and the "Safe and Effective" shot became their Eucharist, and receiving the shot their holy Communion.

To the Covid cultists it's a religion.

[connda]

  On 2/14/2025 at 1:19 AM, nomad22 said:

 

Very strange then the spike occurred immediately when the pandemic started when no therapies were available, and then dropped after vaccines and therapies became widely available.

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Make sure to keep up on your Covid boosters.  They are "Effective" and they will keep you "Safe." 

Now repeat the benediction after me:
"Safe and Effective, Safe and Effective, Safe and Effective"  <kneel, genuflect, grasp your chest and keel over>

[Red Phoenix]

  On 2/14/2025 at 1:19 AM, nomad22 said:

 

Very strange then the spike occurred immediately when the pandemic started when no therapies were available, and then dropped after vaccines and therapies became widely available.

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For the record > I wrote: the combination of deadly hospital treatments (ventilators) and Covid-19 gen-therapies did a very effective culling job all under the guise of 'protecting your health'.

 

[Old Croc]

  On 2/13/2025 at 2:15 AM, madone said:

Reading through this thread, it becomes abundantly clear that COVID killed the wrong people.

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It killed vastly more of these people than acual intelligent beings because they listened to idiots telling them it wasn't happening.

[Red Phoenix]

  On 2/14/2025 at 1:51 AM, Old Croc said:

It killed vastly more of these people than acual intelligent beings because they listened to idiots telling them it wasn't happening.

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Do you consider the authors of the article 'idiots'?  I suggest you first read their fact-based arguments before making such obvious ignorant remark.

 

[Old Croc]

  On 2/14/2025 at 2:02 AM, Red Phoenix said:

Do you consider the authors of the article 'idiots'?  I suggest you first read their fact-based arguments before making such obvious ignorant remark.

 

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I believe in real facts such as the enormous death tolls in southern (Trump) states. Way above that elsewhere.

Articles written by people like you arn't worth the papyrus bark it was written on.

[connda]

  On 2/14/2025 at 2:02 AM, Red Phoenix said:

Do you consider the authors of the article 'idiots'?  I suggest you first read their fact-based arguments before making such obvious ignorant remark.

 

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[Stiddle Mump]

  On 2/13/2025 at 1:42 PM, RayC said:

 

We can all create versions of the truth, Stump.

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Indeed Ray!

 

However.

 

Are you suggesting that the mayoclinic is more truthful than me? If you are then I suggest you read more of my posts. None so blind as will not see Ray. If you still don't get it; Ill spell it out for you.

 

There was no pandemic.

Covid was a giant hoax.

Pathogenic viruses do not exist.

The covid vaxxes were/are fraudulent.

 

Of course; if you are ill, go seek out a medical pro.

[Woke to Sounds]

  On 2/14/2025 at 1:09 AM, save the frogs said:

Remote / hybrid work became common because of Covid.

That's one positive thing.

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Not necessarily.

 

Sure, I could work from home, but my workload was cut in half because of the p(l)andemic.

 

In short, my income was gutted by 50% because of this pestilence unleashed (knowingly or unknowingly) by the CCP.

[RayC]

  On 2/14/2025 at 2:48 AM, Stiddle Mump said:

Indeed Ray!

 

However.

 

Are you suggesting that the mayoclinic is more truthful than me? If you are then I suggest you read more of my posts. None so blind as will not see Ray. If you still don't get it; Ill spell it out for you.

 

There was no pandemic.

Covid was a giant hoax.

Pathogenic viruses do not exist.

The covid vaxxes were/are fraudulent.

 

Of course; if you are ill, go seek out a medical pro.

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Stiddle Mump,

 

I used the Mayo clinic as an example; I could just as easily have used any number of well-respected health organisations to illustrate my point.

 

You seem like a polite sort of chap, so it would be remiss of me to call you a liar;  'misguided' is probably more apt.

 

As you disregard the overwhelming body of evidence which undermines your opinions, I can only conclude that there is little chance of me alone being able to change your mind. In the circumstances, I will take my leave of you and withdraw from any further discussion on this topic.

 

I wish you well, sir.

 

[Red Phoenix]

  On 2/14/2025 at 3:18 AM, RayC said:

@Stiddle Mump

I used the Mayo clinic as an example; I could just as easily have used any number of well-respected health organisations to illustrate my point.

 

You seem like a polite sort of chap, so it would be remiss of me to call you a liar;  'misguided' is probably more apt.

 

As you disregard the overwhelming body of evidence which undermines your opinions, I can only conclude that there is little chance of me alone being able to change your mind. In the circumstances, I will take my leave of you and withdraw from any further discussion on this topic.

 

I wish you well, sir.

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@RayC > Note that I fully endorse Stiddle Mump's view on the whole scamdemic and virus / covid-19 hoax.

But I do respect that you have a different stance on these matters.  Because 'where everybody thinks alike, very little thinking is going on'.

And kudos for your civil response to Stiddle Mump, as that provides the basis for a genuine content-related exchange of views instead of the ad-hominem replies and insults that unfortunately make up much of the 'discussion' posts on this Vaccine/Covid subForum.

[scottiejohn]

  On 2/14/2025 at 2:48 AM, Stiddle Mump said:

Indeed Ray!

 

However.

 

Are you suggesting that the mayoclinic is more truthful than me? If you are then I suggest you read more of my posts. None so blind as will not see Ray. If you still don't get it; Ill spell it out for you.

 

There was no pandemic.

Covid was a giant hoax.

Pathogenic viruses do not exist.

The covid vaxxes were/are fraudulent.

 

Of course; if you are ill, go seek out a medical pro.

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What a deluded and self important buffoon!

Time to get new tinfoil for your hat

[Dan O]

  On 2/13/2025 at 12:54 AM, Red Phoenix said:

Three keys to understanding why there was no pandemic

Source: https://wherearethenumbers.substack.com/p/why-do-people-still-believe-in-covid

 

= = = 

In this serious and somewhat lengthy article the authors make a strong case by providing evidence that - despite all the hysteria and 'scientific' publications - there never was a pandemic. 

After presenting their case they ask this rhetoric - and highly relevant - question:

Why is this still being ignored?

Similar to lab leak versus wet market, in 2020 we were presented with another false dichotomy about PCR tests and invited to take one of two sides - the tests are too sensitive, or they are not sensitive enough, but either way each option is framed on the supposition that a novel pathogen is in circulation. Discussion of the third option - that the tests were not picking up a new novel virus at all but were repackaging other viruses and presenting them as novel were ridiculed, ignored, suppressed and censored.

Why is this evidence still being ignored five years after the initiation of the event?

Why do people still believe in covid?

 

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That's utter nonsense and ridiculous to post misleading information like this.