Can Foreign Tourists in Pattaya Expect Fair Legal Treatment?

[webfact]

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ANALYSIS

 

Pattaya, a bustling tourist hub on Thailand's eastern Gulf coast, is at the heart of a pertinent discussion around justice and equality under the law for foreign visitors. This topic resonates strongly amid the numerous experiences that shape perceptions of tourists regarding their interactions with local law enforcement.

 

In theory, the principles of justice dictate that everyone, irrespective of nationality, should be treated equally under the legal framework. However, some foreign tourists in Pattaya have reported instances where they feel differently—particularly in the context of minor disputes or traffic incidents.

 

There are claims that local police might exhibit a degree of leniency towards Thai nationals, while imposing steeper fines on foreigners. This perception may stem not only from financial assumptions about tourists but also from potential language barriers and cultural misunderstandings.

 

Despite these concerns, there are numerous instances highlighting the professionalism and fairness demonstrated by the Thai police towards tourists. Many officers in Pattaya are adept at handling the complex scenarios brought about by the influx of international visitors.

In crowded tourist spots, the presence of bilingual officers often plays a crucial role in bridging communication gaps, enabling clearer dialogues and more amicable resolutions to disputes.

 

The issue at its core is complex. The experiences of equality under the law can vary significantly depending on specific circumstances, the individuals involved, and how well tourists understand or respect the local norms and regulations.

 

Tourists who take the time to acquaint themselves with Thai laws and customs often report positive interactions with the police, noting their readiness to address concerns respectfully.

 

Ultimately, fairness in legal treatment in Pattaya—and Thailand more broadly—remains a dynamic area open to enhancement. It’s crucial for continuous dialogues between the international community and local law enforcement to ensure a balanced and fair approach, reinforcing Pattaya's reputation as a welcoming and reliable destination for all.

 

As this vibrant city continues to attract millions of visitors annually, fostering transparent interactions, understanding, and equitable treatment under the law will remain vital. Law enforcement agencies are, therefore, encouraged to maintain and enhance training and communication to bolster mutual trust and understanding between local authorities and the diverse array of international visitors, reported Pattaya Mail.

 

-- 2025-02-14

 

 

[SAFETY FIRST]

11 minutes ago, webfact said:

There are claims that local police might exhibit a degree of leniency towards Thai nationals, while imposing steeper fines on foreigners

Nothing wrong with that, looking after your own people. 

 

12 minutes ago, webfact said:

Can Foreign Tourists in Pattaya Expect Fair Legal Treatment?

If you need legal treatment, most times you've done something wrong. 

I see lots of tourists these days, disrespecting, rude, arrogant attitude. 

 

Deport these people. 

[JackSinclair]

The law is for sale here. Same as the UK.......  

[Gottfrid]

Yes, foreigners can expect fair legal treatment. The only thing we need to do is understand the culture and norms. If we do that and also have a polite attitude, there is very seldom any problems. The people that we read about in the news, with their fantastic stories, they, most probably acted in a way or did something that was deemed disrespectful to get the treatment they did.

[baansgr]

4 hours ago, webfact said:

File photo for reference only

 

ANALYSIS

 

Pattaya, a bustling tourist hub on Thailand's eastern Gulf coast, is at the heart of a pertinent discussion around justice and equality under the law for foreign visitors. This topic resonates strongly amid the numerous experiences that shape perceptions of tourists regarding their interactions with local law enforcement.

 

In theory, the principles of justice dictate that everyone, irrespective of nationality, should be treated equally under the legal framework. However, some foreign tourists in Pattaya have reported instances where they feel differently—particularly in the context of minor disputes or traffic incidents.

 

There are claims that local police might exhibit a degree of leniency towards Thai nationals, while imposing steeper fines on foreigners. This perception may stem not only from financial assumptions about tourists but also from potential language barriers and cultural misunderstandings.

 

Despite these concerns, there are numerous instances highlighting the professionalism and fairness demonstrated by the Thai police towards tourists. Many officers in Pattaya are adept at handling the complex scenarios brought about by the influx of international visitors.

 

In crowded tourist spots, the presence of bilingual officers often plays a crucial role in bridging communication gaps, enabling clearer dialogues and more amicable resolutions to disputes.

 

The issue at its core is complex. The experiences of equality under the law can vary significantly depending on specific circumstances, the individuals involved, and how well tourists understand or respect the local norms and regulations.

 

Tourists who take the time to acquaint themselves with Thai laws and customs often report positive interactions with the police, noting their readiness to address concerns respectfully.

 

Ultimately, fairness in legal treatment in Pattaya—and Thailand more broadly—remains a dynamic area open to enhancement. It’s crucial for continuous dialogues between the international community and local law enforcement to ensure a balanced and fair approach, reinforcing Pattaya's reputation as a welcoming and reliable destination for all.

 

As this vibrant city continues to attract millions of visitors annually, fostering transparent interactions, understanding, and equitable treatment under the law will remain vital. Law enforcement agencies are, therefore, encouraged to maintain and enhance training and communication to bolster mutual trust and understanding between local authorities and the diverse array of international visitors, reported Pattaya Mail.

 

-- 2025-02-14

 

 

Don't drive drunk, don't drive without a helmet, don't speed and make sure you have the appropriate licence...not too hard to understand...if you can't at least do this, you have no right to complain whatsoever 

[ikke1959]

What is fair treatment? If you behave normal nothing is the matter. But no helmet wearing, as an example, is being fined more for foreigners than Thai. No driverslicense same. That is not fair and equal. Same for vaping which is forbidden, but is even done by policeoffers too. Same law, ssme rules but same punishments is not always the same for netizens and foreigners

[ikke1959]

4 minutes ago, baansgr said:

Don't drive drunk, don't drive without a helmet, don't speed and make sure you have the appropriate licence...not too hard to understand...if you can't at least do this, you have no right to complain whatsoever 

Than the police has a lot of to do as many Thais every day without being fined, but if a foreigner does it it is payment time

[hunkidori]

Don't let yourself get in a situation where you end up at the police station. That's where the problems start.

[OneMoreFarang]

It seems some tourists are just stubborn and unrealistic.

I.e. sometimes some tourists argue about a couple of hundred THB for some drinks. I saw a guy who didn't want to pay and asked for the police. The police explained to him if he doesn't pay, they have to arrest him. He still didn't want to pay, and the police did arrest him. What an idiot!

 

Be realistic! If you can't win, then don't fight as if you can. Compromise!

And think before you do stupid things like giving your passport to anybody and rent something.

 

 

[dddave]

When a close friend was hit by a car crossing at a Trapphaya Rd. crosswalk and later died from his injuries, the Pattaya police were very helpful.  My friends family could not immediately come to Thailand so I stood in for them.  The police assigned an English speaking officer to the case and he did everything he could to make sure the case moved forward.  He and his supervisor were helpful and fair guiding negotiations with the driver and in dealing with the insurance company.  There was never even a hint at a gratuity.

[bkk6060]

I got into an accident on my motorbike in Pattaya that was the fault of a young Thai girl who cut in front of me.  I called the police who arrived fairly quickly and escorted both of us to the police station. They had an English speaker there very nice lady.  After questioning,  the cops100% said it was the girls fault.  They made her pay a fine for causing the accident and ordered her to pay for the damage to my bike.  They told her 5,000 b, but I felt bad for her and said 3,000 was OK.  She called a friend who brought the money.

Anyway,  I thought I was treated very fairly.

[baansgr]

36 minutes ago, ikke1959 said:

Than the police has a lot of to do as many Thais every day without being fined, but if a foreigner does it it is payment time

Another brainwashed wokey...2 wrongs don't make a right do they?... And what about the two tier judicial system in Europe???...stop complaining 

[ikke1959]

4 minutes ago, baansgr said:

Another brainwashed wokey...2 wrongs don't make a right do they?... And what about the two tier judicial system in Europe???...stop complaining 

In Europe things are very different if you ever been there...but according to your vomment no experience with it. Or ever tried to ride on a motorcycle without an helmet there?

[Nickcage49]

No. I got into an accident with a motorbike where the driver was clearly at fault. They said "50/50."

 

What BS.

[mran66]

Fair is matter of interpretation, as is law. 

 

As long as you stay out of the country or don't break any law or don't end up to any civil case with local while here, you are likely treated fair. But if you break any of these,  and end up to the legal system, against a local, odds are that you will not be treated fair in your mind, though the other party might disagree. At the end, you are at fault as if you would not have come to thailand, the issue would not have happened in the first place. 

[edwardflory]

Having been a member of the FTPA for 4 years,  I found that the MAJORITY of people having serious run ins with police ARE at fault. 

 

Have seen tourists refuse to pay bills at restaurants, drunks exposing themselves in bars, men refusing to pay for the girls time for a "walk on a moon lit beach", men argue they paid a bar girl in the bar for sex and didn't get, bar arguments ending in fights, drunks harassing women of ALL national origins, and so on.

 

Most problems were settled with a stern warning and explaining the law / regulation by police or FTPA member.  I would say maybe 10% were arrested and charged. The one time I remember was a drunk, fighting / attacking anyone he saw on the street - it took 2 FARANG and 1 large Thai to get him down and in cuffs. He was arrested.

[Spock]

1 hour ago, hunkidori said:

Don't let yourself get in a situation where you end up at the police station. That's where the problems start.

Say no more!

[MadAtMatrix]

Stand in front of Soi 9 on Beach Road and count the ratio of foreigners pulled over to Thais pulled over and then decide if the laws are being applied fairly. Same as the intersection of Soi 15 and second road near Pattaya Tai. The latter spot they target those persons of darker complexion from the largest country to the west of Thailand 

[WDSmart]

I think tourists in Thailand can expect fair legal treatment. It's not the same as the treatment the Thais get. Sometimes it worse, but sometimes it's better. 

[Frankie baby]

Its all BS, we all know the law or legal system is based on cash not culture, as some seem to think.

[Hanaguma]

7 minutes ago, MadAtMatrix said:

Stand in front of Soi 9 on Beach Road and count the ratio of foreigners pulled over to Thais pulled over and then decide if the laws are being applied fairly. Same as the intersection of Soi 15 and second road near Pattaya Tai. The latter spot they target those persons of darker complexion from the largest country to the west of Thailand 

Applied fairly or not, it is STILL the law. "Hey, that guy is getting away with it" is a poor argument.  Now, if the police were fining foreigners for things that are not illegal, different story. But there is no indication that that is happening.

[jippytum]

when you see the preferential treatment given to politicians like Thaksin and other VIP's  it is obvious the law is corrupt. Freedom for the guilty is for sale in Thailand. 

[Liverpool Lou]

2 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

What is fair treatment? If you behave normal nothing is the matter. But no helmet wearing, as an example, is being fined more for foreigners than Thai. No driverslicense same. That is not fair and equal. Same for vaping which is forbidden, but is even done by policeoffers too. Same law, ssme rules but same punishments is not always the same for netizens and foreigners

Fair treatment is fair interpretation of the law and its penalties.  Most crimes, that may involve foreigners, have a range of penalties and officers are given discretion as to which to impose.  That is fair, as directed by the law.

[JoeRan]

I am and always be a guest here. It is my responsibility to educate myself to the laws and customs of Thailand and do my best to adhere to them. Very simple. 
The argument that we farangs are treated differently than Thais are from the fat, old, drunk ones that think they are better than. 
As it’s been mentioned, don’t do anything to involve the police and life is grand. 

[Liverpool Lou]

2 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

Than the police has a lot of to do as many Thais every day without being fined, but if a foreigner does it it is payment time

What?  Many Thais, every day, do get fined and many foreigners are not fined every time.

[Liverpool Lou]

2 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

It seems some tourists are just stubborn and unrealistic.

I.e. sometimes some tourists argue about a couple of hundred THB for some drinks. I saw a guy who didn't want to pay and asked for the police. The police explained to him if he doesn't pay, they have to arrest him. He still didn't want to pay, and the police did arrest him. What an idiot!

 

Be realistic! If you can't win, then don't fight as if you can. Compromise!

And think before you do stupid things like giving your passport to anybody and rent something.

Absolutely agree with that.

[Dart12]

17 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Applied fairly or not, it is STILL the law. "Hey, that guy is getting away with it" is a poor argument.  Now, if the police were fining foreigners for things that are not illegal, different story. But there is no indication that that is happening.

It's true, but you know this when you get here and I accept it.

Hell, I won't even move to Jomtien area because I get pulled over at the police stop every drive by it to go into town.   I don't get a ticket.  It's annoying.

It is what it is .  I'd still rather live here than the what's happened to USA since 2021.

[Tropicalevo]

2 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

What is fair treatment? If you behave normal nothing is the matter. But no helmet wearing, as an example, is being fined more for foreigners than Thai. No driverslicense same. That is not fair and equal. Same for vaping which is forbidden, but is even done by policeoffers too. Same law, ssme rules but same punishments is not always the same for netizens and foreigners

 

I do not know about Pattaya, but on Samui, the fines for traffic offences are the same for Thais and foreigners.

The only difference is that sometimes, the Thais genuinely do not have the money to pay the fine.

They are told to 'call a friend' and if that fails, then they have to stay with the police until the checkpoint closes.

[oslooskar]

I've never had a problem with the Thai police and have always had a high opinion of them. I do remember more than 60 years ago hitchhiking down the Thai-Malay peninsula with an Englishman and the police allowing us to pitch our tents in the front yard of the police station. The police even brought us breakfast in the morning.  Anyway, just be polite and respectful of the Thais and you will never have any problems.

[alanrchase]

3 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

Than the police has a lot of to do as many Thais every day without being fined, but if a foreigner does it it is payment time

Not really true is it? I was stopped one day for  licence check. Handed my licence over and the cop waved it at the queue of Thais waiting to be issued tickets saying, "the foreigner can get one so why can't you lot".