Zelensky Pushes Back Against Trump’s “Disinformation” on Ukraine War

[Purdey]

You have to admire Trump's ability to turn adversity into opportunity.

Clear out Gaza and give me the land to make a new Riviera (i.e. hotels and casinos).

Clear out the Ukrainians and give me the rare earth materials and oil.

 

You have to admire his chutzpa.

[Centigrade32]

4 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

Way off topic, but entertaining nonetheless.

 

It was actually your topic. But yours was the comic book version, with no facts nor reality as a basis.

 

That's the norm here. Just trotting out propaganda as fact, with no interest in the details at all.

Just the assumption that they are arguing with opposites.

[Mavideol]

Trump and Putin keep referring to news elections, that's what Putin wants because it would allow him to put forward a Russian candidate, they can control the elections outcome, sadly Trump just follow  Putin demands, Ukraine is under martial law, no elections should take place during martial law but the NEW Russia puppet/asset just went on making false and misleading statements because Russia said so, BTW Zelensky approval ratings are HIGHER than  the convicted  Trump's

[Centigrade32]

2 minutes ago, Purdey said:

You have to admire Trump's ability to turn adversity into opportunity.

Clear out Gaza and give me the land to make a new Riviera (i.e. hotels and casinos).

Clear out the Ukrainians and give me the rare earth materials and oil.

 

You have to admire his chutzpa.

 

It's not about Trump. It's what happens anyway.

[kimothai]

The left is always going to hate Trump no matter what and I could care less.  Trump is going to do exactly what Trump always does which is make a deal.  Just a guess, but the left won't like that either but who cares?  Certainly not the vast majority of Americans who elected Trump.  If Zelensky wants to keep on fighting, I could care less as long as it's not American money he's fighting with.  I believe with Trump "the buck stops here"!  No more "kicking the can down the road"!  

[OneMoreFarang]

3 hours ago, frank83628 said:

The whole world doesn't think like you though does it, the huge gains of right leaning political parties in the EU is proof of that.

You should stop believing your POV is the worlds POV too. 

I am pretty sure that many of the people right of center still know the difference between truth and BS.

Putin invaded Ukraine, there is no doubt at all about that. I am sure he had a reason. But that doesn't change the fact that he invaded Ukraine. 

[Thingamabob]

9 minutes ago, Centigrade32 said:

 

It was actually your topic. But yours was the comic book version, with no facts nor reality as a basis.

 

That's the norm here. Just trotting out propaganda as fact, with no interest in the details at all.

Just the assumption that they are arguing with opposites.

If you are seriously trying to pretend that successive governments in Kyev did not harass and intimidate Russian speakers in eastern Ukraine you are kidding yourself. Know your subject before you sound off about it.

[OneMoreFarang]

59 minutes ago, Trentham said:

There is a rumour that they have a video of him urinating on a Russian prostitute.

If that would be the worst he ever did... 

[Centigrade32]

Just now, Thingamabob said:

If you are seriously trying to pretend that successive governments in Kyev did not harass and intimidate Russian speakers in eastern Ukraine you are kidding yourself. Know your subject before you sound off about it.

 

I know the subject. You don't. You just keep on coming out with comic book versions.

 

If you want to discuss details, we can do that. Tell me which government and the dates you'd like to start with and then we can cover the details of what happened where and when.

Your potted history is just nonsensical.

 

[Thingamabob]

2 minutes ago, Centigrade32 said:

 

I know the subject. You don't. You just keep on coming out with comic book versions.

 

If you want to discuss details, we can do that. Tell me which government and the dates you'd like to start with and then we can cover the details of what happened where and when.

Your potted history is just nonsensical.

 

Have a nice day.

[Centigrade32]

2 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

Have a nice day.

 

Thank you.

[frank83628]

12 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I am pretty sure that many of the people right of center still know the difference between truth and BS.

Putin invaded Ukraine, there is no doubt at all about that. I am sure he had a reason. But that doesn't change the fact that he invaded Ukraine. 

Yes, However, Putin didn't just wake up one morning and say 'you know what I'm gunna do today'

There were years of provocations. I am sure those that have actually followed the story for a while and have heard both sides will have a more sensible understanding of the situation than the screetchy unhinged errational guys here.

[Centigrade32]

All of this Zelenskky nonsense is just a red herring. This was always USA trying to gain control on the one side and Russia on the other. They both did and do what it takes to install their people. It's patently obvious.

People just read a few headlines or swallow some propaganda and they are off, arguing to the death about it.

Useful idiots.

In the end, it's just a carve up, as per usual. Nothing to do with NATO and everything to do with Russia being thwarted in getting their people in. That's not to say that they are the bad guys or the good guys. 

It's only useful fools that swallow the propaganda.

[Centigrade32]

1 minute ago, frank83628 said:

Yes, However, Putin didn't just wake up one morning and say 'you know what I'm gunna do today'

There were years of provocations. I am sure those that have actually followed the story for a while and have heard both sides will have a more sensible understanding of the situation than the screetchy unhinged errational guys here.

 

Another comic book vendor.

[James105]

13 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I am pretty sure that many of the people right of center still know the difference between truth and BS.

Putin invaded Ukraine, there is no doubt at all about that. I am sure he had a reason. But that doesn't change the fact that he invaded Ukraine. 

 

Sure they do and sure he did, but they also recognize a massive money laundering operation when they see one, except unlike normal money laundering operations this one is costing tens of thousands of lives too.   

 

The end result of this war is going to be the same if the war ends tomorrow, if it ended 1 week after it started, or ends 10 years from now.   Russia will obtain a bit more Russian speaking territory, Ukraine will lose a bit and Putin will carry on being the dictator he is without any sanctions.  No leftist fantasy about him being defeated or arrested  will come true.   This whole exercise has been a massive waste of lives and money, except for the already rich people that have become decidedly richer thanks to the lefts unquenchable thirst to war monger.   Ukraine will go back to its corrupt ways, maybe Zelensky will have to give up power following a long overdue election, but I am sure as one of Ukraines newest billionaires he will get over it quite quickly.   

[Snackbar]

Kamala where are you?

 

oh, two sheets to the wind again

[frank83628]

48 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

Trump and Putin keep referring to news elections, that's what Putin wants because it would allow him to put forward a Russian candidate, they can control the elections outcome, sadly Trump just follow  Putin demands, Ukraine is under martial law, no elections should take place during martial law but the NEW Russia puppet/asset just went on making false and misleading statements because Russia said so, BTW Zelensky approval ratings are HIGHER than  the convicted  Trump's

I am 100% more popular with my friends than anyone else. Here is my own poll to prove it... you see how that works!!

[Harrisfan]

1 hour ago, Mavideol said:

birds of the feather flock together

Vance is 40yo. More wordly like socialists in Pattaya who make stuff up?

[frank83628]

2 hours ago, Centigrade32 said:

 

That's the Kremlin/RT channel comic book version. Where did you hear it? 

 

The political class know a little more about the truth of the matter, than someone who just sits around watching Kremlin propaganda on YouTube.

The version that wants us to believe that the evil Ukrainians were just randomly attacking little old ladies, as opposed to the FACT that they were fighting with Russian special forces disguised as Russian separatists. 

 

Just out of interest, since you state that Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries, due to "millions of dollars disappearing" Who do you think is number one?

How much does DOGE state is unaccounted for in the USA thus far? Do you think it is a figure far in excess of anything that happens in Ukraine?

What about the phony war over WMD that didn't exist? What do you think that was about?

I don't need to put too fine a point on it, lest I'm accused of being off-topic.

 

 

 

 

 

 Sepratists in disguise aye. You comment is laughable but I doubt you even know why.

[Centigrade32]

1 minute ago, frank83628 said:

 Sepratists in disguise aye. You comment is laughable but I doubt you even know why.

 

https://press.armywarcollege.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2917&context=parameters

 

Russian Special Operations Forces in Crimea and Donbas

[Centigrade32]

6 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

 Sepratists in disguise aye. You comment is laughable but I doubt you even know why.

 

You should read more on the subject before resigning your comments to comic book status.

https://www.osw.waw.pl/en/publikacje/analyses/2014-09-03/russian-military-intervention-eastern-ukraine

 

When there is a threat of imminent collapse of their 'separatist' movements, they stop pretending that it isn't them(Russian soldiers).

[beautifulthailand99]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

Food inflation at 10%, bank interest rate 21% = 26% to any borrowers.

 

Ruble down 50%, passenger aircraft fleet 400. Before the invasion, over 700.

 

Export income from oil and gas halved. No functioning pipelines from east to west. Oil exports by small, uninsured tankers.

 

Yeah, the Russian economy is terrific, unless you are an ordinary Russian.

RUSI Britain's military think tank thinks it's not as bad as some would like to think. 

 

 https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-wartime-economy-isnt-weak-it-looks

[BusyB]

9 hours ago, Rinato said:

I wasn't expecting anything different from trump. 

He always had sympathy for dictators and alike. 

And he is completely ignorant about the world out of us.

 

He's a rank coward as well as ignorant. Bullies his friends and small countries as well as small businesses, and grovels to the enemies. Employs untalented sycophants whose sole qualification is their taste for his ring piece.

 

The poltroon finds it easier to bully Zelensky than face off against Putin. Vomitous. Undignified. Spineless. 

 

[sscc]

Zelensky is f---ed. 

[WDSmart]

I hate Trump, but I'd think Zelensky would like that Trump called him a dictator. Trump likes dictators, so that might help Zelensky in these negotiations with Russia. 

[WDSmart]

I hate Trump, but I'd think Zelensky would like that Trump called him a dictator. Trump likes dictators, so that might help Zelensky in these negotiations with Russia. 

[Harrisfan]

10 minutes ago, BusyB said:

 

He's a rank coward as well as ignorant. Bullies his friends and small countries as well as small businesses, and grovels to the enemies. Employs untalented sycophants whose sole qualification is their taste for his ring piece.

 

The poltroon finds it easier to bully Zelensky than face off against Putin. Vomitous. Undignified. Spineless. 

 

Says a guy on a computer. 

[steven100]

58 minutes ago, Snackbar said:

Kamala where are you?

 

oh, two sheets to the wind again

of coarse she is .....  she's at the embassy bar everyday ... 

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, Mavideol said:

Trump and Putin keep referring to news elections, that's what Putin wants because it would allow him to put forward a Russian candidate, they can control the elections outcome, sadly Trump just follow  Putin demands, Ukraine is under martial law, no elections should take place during martial law but the NEW Russia puppet/asset just went on making false and misleading statements because Russia said so, BTW Zelensky approval ratings are HIGHER than  the convicted  Trump's

Zelensky will not be baited by Trump to hold election. There is never any good intention by Trump. An election is just not possible during an invasion. Soldiers will have to leave the front lines to vote and refugees have to return. If Zelensky win, Trump and Putin will undermine the result and further sow division and confusion. If he lose, Ukraine step into a realm of unknown outcome.
 

If Trump and Putin are serious about an election, agree on a ceasefire and Russia military move far away from the front lines. Military aids are still flowing to Ukraine after a month since Trump ascension. He can’t cancel the congress mandated aids and there are decent republicans in Congress to stop him. Trump is a paper tiger. 

[Summerinsiam]

While everyone knows that Trump's words should not be taken at face value, it must have come as a shock to Zelensky to be talked about like that. After all, he has spent the last three years being lauded like a superstar and flying around the world, while pushing the same old tired false narrative: that it is an existentialist crisis and not a territorial dispute with its roots in the cold war and the break-up of the former Soviet Union. I am not a Trump fan, but in this instance I think he may be right. You have to talk to your enemy no matter how unpalatable that may be. The current approach is clearly not working: sanctions and isolating Russia have not had the desired effect and on the battlefield the Ukrainians are losing. Indeed, they are currently facing a recruitment crisis, with thousands deserting and unwilling to fight. For them and their European sponsors, it is an outrage that someone has told the truth and shattered the illusion that has been crafted in the last three years. Hegseth was engaging in realpolitik and only saying out loud what most Europeans already knew: that it is not realistic for Ukraine to regain its lost territory or join NATO. It may be just that it does, but sadly we live in the real world. Just because Macron and Starmer keep saying it will happen doesn't make it so. A new approach and a shift in direction and momentum have clearly being needed for some time. What is the alternative? Continue to escalate a war that cannot be won with the ever- present danger that it may eventually engulf the whole world?