Anti-vaxers kill child in Texas

[Thingamabob]

6 hours ago, gargamon said:

If the anti-vaxers didn't have their nonsense on the internet, this child would not be dead. Understand now?

The headline is inaccurate and over- dramatic.

[Harrisfan]

36 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

But the most amusing part is that you appear to be suggesting that national average IQ is related to life expectancy.... 

False claim made up by you. Further proof I was right about you. Keep firing blanks.

[Lacessit]

3 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

Humans lived for 1m years no vaccines.

The average life expectancy in the Middle Ages was 30 - 35 years.

 

Another classic dumb post by you.

[Harrisfan]

37 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

I've wasted 10 minutes putting together a response to an idiot

I wasted only 10 seconds on you. 9 seconds too long.

[Harrisfan]

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

The average life expectancy in the Middle Ages was 30 - 35 years.

 

Another classic dumb post by you.

Another dumb comment by you actually if you did any research. Basic hygiene and clean drinking water was not common back then. Nothing to do with vaccines.

[Harrisfan]

Although there are mentions of boiling water and filtering through gravel and sand dating back to prehistoric times, it wasn't until the early 19th century that we would see a town being supplied with water run through a filter. Paisley, Scotland became the first city to use a filter to supply an entire municipality with water. 

 

By 2015, 5.2 billion people representing

 

71% of the global population used safely managed drinking water.

 

 

[VR333]

All of you who had chicken pox as a child might want to consider getting a shingles vax as you age and the risk increases... 

[Harrisfan]

15 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

The average life expectancy in the Middle Ages was 30 - 35 years.

 

Another classic dumb post by you.

Some more facts for Mr 3 baht

 

The discovery of hygiene in childbirth is attributed to Ignaz Semmelweis, a Hungarian physician who worked in Vienna in the 1840s. Semmelweis observed that the death rate from puerperal fever was much higher in the student-run clinic compared to the clinic run by midwives. He concluded that the students, who often went directly from performing autopsies to examining patients, were carrying something from the mortuary that caused the infections. This led him to implement a hand washing protocol using chlorinated lime solutions, which significantly reduced the mortality rate from puerperal fever in the student-run clinic.

[RubenRemus]

7 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I had 4 kids back in the UK, none vaccinated, none died yet (currently aged 22-40).

But one born in Thailand vaccinated with MMR without my consent, immediately developed signs of autism (sitting alone with repetitive hand motions), which luckily faded after around 5 years

Likely has more to do with old sperm. 

[richard_smith237]

45 minutes ago, connda said:

I'm really surprised that all of the AN members here who are my age didn't die from childhood diseases like measles when they were kids before there were any "vaccines."  "Grave danger, grave danger!"  Like I said, I know of absolutely no child with whom I grew up who died from childhood diseases.  The only affected group I knew were kids who got polio and I can only remember one of those.  Btw, I'm 100% pro-polio vaccinations.  MMR "vaccines." 

 

You didn't really think about that one...   

You've just provided an perfect example of 'Survivorship bias' the logical error of concentrating on entities that passed a selection process while overlooking those that did not. This can lead to incorrect conclusions because of incomplete data.

 

i.e. the WW2 

It was identified during WW2: The bullet holes in the returning aircraft represented areas where a bomber could take damage and still fly well enough to return safely to base. Therefore, it was proposed that the Navy reinforce areas where the returning aircraft were unscathed, inferring that planes hit in those areas were the ones most likely to be lost.

 

 

In your example - You've used 'Survivorship bias' to suggest that older generations could survive the viruses, yet you have completely overlooked that viruses 'did' take people... the ones who survived were lucky, were unexposed or had natural immunity... 

... more more so than that, many were vaccinated.... perhaps not with MMR... but with separate vaccines individual for Polio, Measles, Mumps, Rubella etc etc... 

 

45 minutes ago, connda said:

 

No way would I give that to my own child. Individual shots for each of those viral childhood diseases?  I'd consider it.  But MMR - never!

"You're an 'anti-vaxxer'."
🙄  Lord, put a lid on it!

 

Why not together ???  the vaccines are 'exactly the same' if issues separately, the only difference is the Antigen... i.e.  the Live attenuated measles virus, Live attenuated mumps virus or the Live attenuated rubella virus.... every other part of the vaccine (preservatives, adjuvants etc etc) is identical, so there is no logical reason to not to mix it into one vaccine.

 

 

And this is the issue with a debate on such matters - there is such an void of scientific understanding.... 

 

I can understand the cynicism of the mRNA vaccines, particularly when concerning vaccination against SARS-CoV-2....  However, even there, the arguments against often exist in a complete void of understanding...    I've even heard people suggest how those vaccines 'change our DNA'.

 

 

Just to be clear - Its not the pro and anti vaccination arguments that I oppose - its stupidity.

 

 

 

[KhunLA]

Reported cases, though says nothing about unreported or asymptomatic case. 

 

 

One has to wonder, or I do, if some are immune system compromised now, after receiving the C19 vax.

[richard_smith237]

For anyone who is 'anti-vaccination'.... 

 

It would be interesting to see them go back and live in times with our current knowledge on hygiene and diet... and see how long they last.

 

With full access to antibiotics and we were to send 2 million people back in time.... to pre-vaccination era, with the current dietary and hygiene and medical knowledge...

 

1) half of the test group are fully vaccinated against all known diseases

2) half the test group are not...

 

What would the survival rates be between the two groups of 1 million people ?

 

Predicted Death Toll

Vaccinated Group: Likely loses 1-5% of people due to accidents, some bacterial infections, and other environmental risks.

Unvaccinated Group: At least 30-50% could die from viral pandemics over time, especially smallpox and measles.

 

Conclusion: 

The vaccinated group would likely have a near-modern survival rate (95-99%) thanks to their immunity to viral diseases.

The unvaccinated group would suffer from high mortality (30-50%) due to deadly viral infections, despite access to antibiotics, good hygiene, and diet.

 

The greatest killers in the past were viruses, which modern medicine only controls through vaccines, antibiotics alone wouldn’t be enough to protect the unvaccinated.

 

 

 

[gargamon]

51 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

The headline is inaccurate and over- dramatic.

Made you look.😄

[richard_smith237]

6 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Reported cases, though says nothing about unreported or asymptomatic case. 

 

 

OK... but thats not the whole picture...   

 

- The severity of there Measles ?

- The length of time they are contagious and 'how severely contagious' they are ?

- The probability of tranmission compared to unvaccinated ?

 

Thus: the vaccine efficacy of 97% implied by your comment ignores other vital factors...  

 

For example: If I take a an Influenza vaccine and I still catch Influenza, my symptoms may be less, and last for a shorter period, I'm less likely to transmit to other people even though the Influenza vaccines is known to have an efficacy of approximately 40-60% in any one year. 

 

In aggregate, its far more effective - and this is something people need to be understanding when arguing about (or against) vaccines. 

 

 

 

 

[Dionigi]

8 hours ago, BritManToo said:

How many would have died from MMR vaccine related causes if all the children had been vaccinated?

You'd need a study of MMR vaccine death Vs Measles deaths before being able to make any sensible choice, but sadly no such study is available.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccine-safety/vaccines/mmr.html

[KhunLA]

5 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

OK... but thats not the whole picture...   

 

- The severity of there Measles ?

- The length of time they are contagious and 'how severely contagious' they are ?

- The probability of tranmission compared to unvaccinated ?

 

Thus: the vaccine efficacy of 97% implied by your comment ignores other vital factors...  

 

For example: If I take a an Influenza vaccine and I still catch Influenza, my symptoms may be less, and last for a shorter period, I'm less likely to transmit to other people even though the Influenza vaccines is known to have an efficacy of approximately 40-60% in any one year. 

 

In aggregate, its far more effective - and this is something people need to be understanding when arguing about (or against) vaccines. 

Actually, I implied the opposite of 97%.  Only 3% reported cases, so like covid, or any infection that doesn't require a doc or hospital visit, then nobody really knows what the effective rate is.

[Purdey]

Thoughts and prayers. Vaccines don't kill people, people kill people.

[richard_smith237]

11 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Actually, I implied the opposite of 97%.  Only 3% reported cases, so like covid, or any infection that doesn't require a doc or hospital visit, then nobody really knows what the effective rate is.

 

Blind tests would be needed to prove that...

 

Put people in a room, introduce SARS-CoV-2.... 

100,000 are vaccinated

100,000 people are not vaccinated

 

Observe the results (Results from AI).

 

The estimates provided are based on data from reputable health organisations and studies that have consistently demonstrated the protective effects of COVID-19 vaccination.

 

These sources indicate that unvaccinated individuals face higher risks of infection, severe illness, and death compared to those who are vaccinated.

 

Key Findings from Notable Sources:

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC): A study reported that during the late BA.4/BA.5 period, unvaccinated individuals had COVID-19 mortality rates 14.1 times higher than those who received a bivalent booster. The infection rate was also 2.8 times higher in unvaccinated persons compared to those vaccinated with a bivalent booster.

cdc.gov

 

Public Health Agency of Canada (PHAC): Research indicated that during the Delta variant predominance, unvaccinated individuals were 6.2 times more likely to be infected, 21.0 times more likely to be hospitalised, and 15.4 times more likely to die from COVID-19 compared to vaccinated individuals.

cidrap.umn.edu

 

JAMA Internal Medicine: An analysis found that COVID-19-associated hospitalization rates were 10.5 times higher in unvaccinated persons compared to those who had received a booster dose.

jamanetwork.com

 

The studies collectively highlight the substantial benefits of vaccination in reducing the risk of COVID-19 infection, severe disease, and mortality. The earlier estimates were derived by applying these observed relative risks to hypothetical populations of 100,000 vaccinated and 100,000 unvaccinated individuals, illustrating the potential large-scale impact of vaccination.

 

Obviously actual numbers can vary based on factors such as the specific variant in circulation, individual health conditions, and adherence to public health measures. However, the overarching conclusion remains consistent: vaccination significantly reduces the risk of severe outcomes from COVID-19 (these results were mostly relevant to the initial outbreaks of Covid-19).

 

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7206a3.htm?utm_source=chatgpt.com

 

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/severe-covid-19-death-lowest-far-among-vaccinated-canadians?utm_source=chatgpt.com

 

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2796235?utm_source=chatgpt.com

[Srikcir]

6 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

Rubbish. People die after vaccines too.

People die from sunstone (aka heatstroke). So live in darkness.

People die from ants and peanuts. So live in isolation.

With 8+ billion people in the world in 2024, there can never be a zero statistical chance of dying from something.

[richard_smith237]

1 minute ago, Srikcir said:

People die from sunstone (aka heatstroke). So live in darkness.

People die from ants and peanuts. So live in isolation.

With 8+ billion people in the world in 2024, there can never be a zero statistical chance of dying from something.

 

Perfectly put....      Its often exhausting being dragged down to that level of stupidity... 

 

I call it the 'water fallacy' just to highlight the stupidity of such comments.... 

"Everyone I have ever met has consumed water and died"

[richard_smith237]

Right... I'm off to get a Vaccine... 

 

... Its a vaccine that protects me from exposure to the utterly stupid.... 

 

Seems to be working.... 

 

 

[spacex]

3 hours ago, impulse said:

 

That's a pretty concise summary of the state of things. 

 

They really screwed the pooch with the mRNAs. (Those are my words, not from any specific sources)

Instead of calling mrna shots what they are, that is gene therapy, the powers that be thought they'd pull a fast one by calling it a "vaccine" and lumping it in with actual sterilizing vaccines.  My how that has backfired as there's a lot of anti mrna injection people out there now who also question public heath about many other things.  Before the rollout of mrna, most people were not skeptical of public health as they are now.

[spacex]

2 hours ago, connda said:

The sickest I've ever been in my life was 12 hours after receiving a MMR vaccine in my early 20s.  Talked into taking it by a doctor. In retrospect knowing what I know today, I would  never have done it. I'd already had measles and mumps as I kid, and my guess is that I was experiencing a form of antibody-dependent enhancement.

By the way, I grew up in an era when every kid on the block got measles and mumps and all the other childhood diseases.  I don't know anyone who died of a childhood disease.
Sad that the child died of measles, but the reality is that some people don't have strong immune systems in the first place.  And given my own experience with MMR vaccines, the shot could have killed him.  And as BritManToo mentions, how many kids have been kill by the shot?  Up to now that's probably been covered up.  Now with RFK Jr as head of the NIH, we may actually begin to find out just how dangerous the so-called "vaccines" themselves are.

I sure hope RFK Jr digs into SIDS?  How can a healthy child die suddenly with no cause or reason given?  Instead it's swept under the carpet and called Sudden Infant Death Syndrome.  Lots of stories out there correlating certain events leading to SIDS soon afterwards.

[ukrules]

8 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

The UK doesn't have mandatory vaccines as I'm sure you know.

 

They made me take one when I was in school. Lined us all up and did one after the other. Been doing it for decades - nobody cared.

[richard_smith237]

6 minutes ago, spacex said:

Instead of calling mrna shots what they are, that is gene therapy, the powers that be thought they'd pull a fast one by calling it a "vaccine" and lumping it in with actual sterilizing vaccines.  My how that has backfired as there's a lot of anti mrna injection people out there now who also question public heath about many other things.  Before the rollout of mrna, most people were not skeptical of public health as they are now.

 

I do believe everyone has an equal right to enter discussion and debate there side - but doing so from an overwhelming show of ignorance is ridiculous..... 

 

.... mRNA vaccines are not 'Gene Therapy'....   that was the first arguments made by the uneducated when the mRNA vaccines were first publicised... claims often made by people who do not know what Deoxyribonucleic Acid is, what Ribonucleic Acid is and what the 'm' stands for in mRNA vaccines (messenger) as in Messenger Ribonucleic Acid.....

 

 

Now... but put the gene therapy idiocy to bed: 

 

Gene therapy typically involves altering DNA inside the nucleus, either by inserting, deleting, or modifying genes to treat genetic disorders.

 

mRNA vaccines do not integrate into the DNA or alter the genome. Instead, they provide temporary instructions for cells to produce a viral protein (e.g., the spike protein in COVID-19 vaccines), which then triggers an immune response.

 

 

Gene therapy aims for permanent or long-lasting genetic changes, while mRNA vaccines only produce a short-lived response.

 

Whereas mRNA from the vaccine remains in the cytoplasm and is quickly degraded after it is used to make proteins.

 

 

Gene therapy is designed to correct genetic diseases by modifying genes.

 

mRNA vaccines are designed to train the immune system to recognize and fight infections, not to modify a person’s genes.

[richard_smith237]

6 minutes ago, ukrules said:

They made me take one when I was in school. Lined us all up and did one after the other. Been doing it for decades - nobody cared.

 

But you weren't forced...  you could have opted out.

 

I recall opting out of the TB vaccination when I was 11 years old at school....    and took it later before travelling overseas.

[impulse]

7 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

mRNA vaccines do not integrate into the DNA or alter the genome. Instead, they provide temporary instructions for cells to produce a viral protein (e.g., the spike protein in COVID-19 vaccines), which then triggers an immune response.

 

Gene therapy aims for permanent or long-lasting genetic changes, while mRNA vaccines only produce a short-lived response.

 

Both of those statements have been disproven by more up to date studies.

 

 

[richard_smith237]

3 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Both of those statements have been disproven by more up to date studies.

 

 

No they haven't.

 

 

 

 

See what I did there...   throw away one liner, void of intellectual context to match your comment,.. 

[Acharn]

7 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

I had no mmr vaccine. Not dead. Why didnt I die????

Because you didn't catch measles, because most of the kids around you were vaccinated.

[frank83628]

9 hours ago, gargamon said:

Zero

Got proof?