Zelensky - what possessed you?

[thaibeachlovers]

3 minutes ago, PomPolo said:

Gone off with pride standing up to the bullying he got in that meeting IMO

Gone off with nothing.

[Harrisfan]

Just now, PomPolo said:

Advice from an American on successful wars how Ironic, Vietnam, Afghanistan the list goes on

Advice from Brits ww2 

[bannork]

52 minutes ago, captain_shane said:

I'm not baiting. I'm waiting for the Arm Chair Generals to come up with a plan to retake the lost 20% of land and secure it. One guy apparently thinks drones will recapture the land. No, land needs soldiers to seize it and occupy it. I'm truly waiting for the brilliant Sun Tzu plan from my fellow Aseannow members. The plan currently from them seems to be Bidens plan of continuous arms and money disbursement, which hasn't worked considering they've lost 20% of land in three years. So about 7% of their land gone each year if we keep doing what we're doing. About 1M+ ukrainians have died and 1M+ russians have died in three years. So roughly 675k dead soldiers per year. 

WHAT IS YOUR PLAN GENERALS? ASEAN PATTON WHERE ARE YOU?

1. Assist the collapse of the Russian economy

The Russian economy is on the brink of collapse and Putin knows it | The Independent

2. Increase production of arms for Ukraine

There's a big European meeting on Sunday, wait for results from that.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, PomPolo said:

Advice from an American on successful wars how Ironic, Vietnam, Afghanistan the list goes on

You really get things wrong, don't you!  Me an American .

[MicroB]

35 minutes ago, captain_shane said:

They wanted to bait this clown and show the country who they're dealing with. A petulant child who isn't going to negotiate in good faith. He literally called JD a bitch to his face.

 

 

What he said was apparently "suka, blyat".

 

 

So its more like a version of WTF, ie a sign of exasperation.

[Harrisfan]

2 minutes ago, bannork said:

1. Assist the collapse of the Russian economy

The Russian economy is on the brink of collapse and Putin knows it | The Independent

2. Increase production of arms for Ukraine

There's a big European meeting on Sunday, wait for results from that.

Yes with their 50,000 to 200,000 men armies 

[PomPolo]

2 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Advice from Brits ww2 

Ooops you guys are militarily easy the world leaders

 

World War I (1914-1918): U.S. failure to establish sustainable peace frameworks and ineffective military strategies led to unresolved European tensions.

World War II (1939-1945): Misjudging Japan’s resilience and failure to establish long-term peace strategies fueled the Cold War.

Korean War (1950-1953): The war ended in a stalemate, failing to reunify Korea and leaving the peninsula divided.

Vietnam War (1955-1975): The U.S. failed to prevent South Vietnam’s collapse, resulting in a humiliating defeat.

Gulf War (1990-1991): Failure to remove Saddam Hussein allowed him to remain in power and set the stage for future conflict.

Iraq War (2003-2011): Faulty intelligence led to prolonged instability, sectarian violence, and the rise of ISIS.

Afghanistan War (2001-2021): Despite initial success, poor nation-building and a chaotic withdrawal led to the Taliban’s return to power.

[captain_shane]

Just now, bannork said:

1. Assist the collapse of the Russian economy

The Russian economy is on the brink of collapse and Putin knows it | The Independent

2. Increase production of arms for Ukraine

There's a big European meeting on Sunday, wait for results from that.

Why do you think Putin wouldn't launch nukes at Europe if he thinks he's going to collapse? Why do you want to escalate towards WW3? Why is Ukraine worth risking a nuclear holocaust? I find it funny how rabid leftists were against the middle east wars, but against boogeyman Putin they're worse than John Bolton. You have Dick Cheney and George Bush on your side lol. The entire neo-con complex is on your side hahahaha

[captain_shane]

Just now, MicroB said:

 

 

What he said was apparently "suka, blyat".

 

 

So its more like a version of WTF, ie a sign of exasperation.

Nice try.

[Harrisfan]

1 minute ago, PomPolo said:

Ooops you guys are militarily easy the world leaders

 

World War I (1914-1918): U.S. failure to establish sustainable peace frameworks and ineffective military strategies led to unresolved European tensions.

World War II (1939-1945): Misjudging Japan’s resilience and failure to establish long-term peace strategies fueled the Cold War.

Korean War (1950-1953): The war ended in a stalemate, failing to reunify Korea and leaving the peninsula divided.

Vietnam War (1955-1975): The U.S. failed to prevent South Vietnam’s collapse, resulting in a humiliating defeat.

Gulf War (1990-1991): Failure to remove Saddam Hussein allowed him to remain in power and set the stage for future conflict.

Iraq War (2003-2011): Faulty intelligence led to prolonged instability, sectarian violence, and the rise of ISIS.

Afghanistan War (2001-2021): Despite initial success, poor nation-building and a chaotic withdrawal led to the Taliban’s return to power.

Why doesn't the UK invade the USA then? Easy beats 

[stevenl]

20 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Scoff all you will, who's the loser out of that little fiasco? No, it's not Trump.

He lost out on a big raw minerals deal.

[PomPolo]

1 minute ago, Harrisfan said:

Why doesn't the UK invade the USA then? Easy beats 

Would be too easy we used to own you anyways

[captain_shane]

Just now, stevenl said:

He lost out on a big raw minerals deal.

Lol, imagine the brain of leftists. First you criticize trump for going for the mineral deal, now that it looks like it's going to fall through you criticize him for that. You'd criticize him if it went through and say he's a colonizer or something. Go say your prayers to Maddow, it's time for your afternoon nap grandpa.

[Harrisfan]

1 minute ago, PomPolo said:

Would be too easy we used to own you anyways

Give it a try with 60,000 men 

[PomPolo]

3 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Why doesn't the UK invade the USA then? Easy beats 

I can't last remember celebrating a US independence day in the UK

[mikebike]

3 minutes ago, captain_shane said:

Why do you think Putin wouldn't launch nukes at Europe if he thinks he's going to collapse? Why do you want to escalate towards WW3? Why is Ukraine worth risking a nuclear holocaust? I find it funny how rabid leftists were against the middle east wars, but against boogeyman Putin they're worse than John Bolton. You have Dick Cheney and George Bush on your side lol. The entire neo-con complex is on your side hahahaha

If I was setting the markets on nukes, USA would be my odds on favourite, not Russia. The incompetent boobs running the USA currently, may not even know they launched... Hmmm would they send an email saying sorry, we didn't mean it, we had no idea what that button did. Can we rehire that nuke? 🤣🤣🤣

[Harrisfan]

Just now, mikebike said:

If I was setting the markets on nukes, USA would be my odds on favourite, not Russia. The incompetent boobs running the USA currently, may not even know they launched... Hmmm would they send an email saying sorry, we didn't mean it, we had no idea what that button did. Can we rehire that nuke? 🤣🤣🤣

20% of Ukraine stolen under Democrats. Democrats whingeing online daily. 

 

There is no educating some people.

[stevenl]

1 minute ago, captain_shane said:

Lol, imagine the brain of leftists. First you criticize trump for going for the mineral deal, now that it looks like it's going to fall through you criticize him for that. You'd criticize him if it went through and say he's a colonizer or something. Go say your prayers to Maddow, it's time for your afternoon nap grandpa.

Huh? Where is the criticism of him losing on the deal? 

He made a deal with Putin and that deal is gone now. So if someone claims trump didn't lose anything, he's wrong. Trump lost out on a deal.

[captain_shane]

Just now, mikebike said:

If I was setting the markets on nukes, USA would be my odds on favourite, not Russia. The incompetent boobs running the USA currently, may not even know they launched... Hmmm would they send an email saying sorry, we didn't mean it, we had no idea what that button did. Can we rehire that nuke? 🤣🤣🤣

Aren't you supposed to still be searching for the lost Trump Pee Tapes? Why aren't you leftists putting on your thinking caps and using your sleuth skills to track down that infamous set of blackmail tapes? Why waste time on here when there's so many more important things to be done?

[thaibeachlovers]

7 minutes ago, PomPolo said:

Would be too easy we used to own you anyways

Seriously? A bunch of farmers drove out the British ( actually their mercenaries ) army.

[PomPolo]

5 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Give it a try with 60,000 men 

We colonialised your country with less! Happy independence day for this year 🤪

[vinny41]

10 minutes ago, bannork said:

1. Assist the collapse of the Russian economy

The Russian economy is on the brink of collapse and Putin knows it | The Independent

2. Increase production of arms for Ukraine

There's a big European meeting on Sunday, wait for results from that.

According to this article the EU funded Russia 22 Billion euros in 2024

EU spends more on Russian oil and gas than financial aid to Ukraine – report

Europe estimated to have bought €22bn of fossil fuels from Russia in 2024 but gave €19bn to support Kyiv

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/24/eu-spends-more-russian-oil-gas-than-financial-aid-ukraine-report

[thaibeachlovers]

11 minutes ago, stevenl said:

He lost out on a big raw minerals deal.

Nah, he just has to wait a bit for Zelensky or his successor to come crawling back begging for a deal.

[Lacessit]

4 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

You sound really smart. You must be a high IQ critically thinking leftist chemist, yes? 

QED

[MicroB]

5 minutes ago, PomPolo said:

Advice from an American on successful wars how Ironic, Vietnam, Afghanistan the list goes on

 

And the American defence spending is a bit misleading. For a start, as many  moan about, they give away kit to other for favours. But also, they lose a lot. At the last audit, the DoD couldn't account for 60% of their assets.

 

https://breakingdefense.com/2024/11/pentagon-fails-7th-audit-in-a-row-eyes-passing-grade-by-2028/

 

So 63% of spending might as well not been spent. When you buy 1000 tanks, but can only find 470 of them, you haven't got 1000 tanks to fight with. Yes, all large (government ) organisations waste money; the NHS is a prime example, The US military is truely enormous, which is why they don't know where anything is.

 

American defence spending is supposedly 3.6% of GDP, as if this is some magic number.  Say a few tenths is given away, down to 3.4%, waste, fraud, incompetance, means effective spend is 1.26% of GDP.

 

Part of the reason for the gap in how much military aid Ukraine says its received, and how much the US thinks it sent is apparently down to some Cleetus forgetting to note down serial numbers. So whats happened, x-number of, say, Javelin systems have been moved from one warehouse to another. Clerk at warehouse A marks them as gone. Clerk at warehouse B doesn't add them to his ledger. Months later, 4 Star General figuratively goes to clerk at warehouse A  and says he needs 2000 Javelins as his boys are dying in South Korea. Clerk A says the warehouse is empty, sorry. Clerk C though finds them, and puts them on Ebay. It seems common in many miitaries that if something isn't signed for, it never existed and therefore is fair game. I think the most outrageous case was the father and son flogging F-14 spare parts to Iran. They were only found out because in the run up to GW1, the US military needed to stock up on F14 spares, and found the shelves were empty.

 

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1985-07-16-mn-6840-story.html

 

There was a case where sensitive non-lethal equipment was appearing on Ebay which the US military ended up buying back to keep things quiet.

[Harrisfan]

5 minutes ago, PomPolo said:

We colonialised your country with less! Happy independence day for this year 🤪

UK is a mess. Over run with foreigners. Keir is begging Trump for deals.

[captain_shane]

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

Nah, he just has to wait a bit for Zelensky or his successor to come crawling back begging for a deal.

There's not going to be a deal. Zelensky won't sign anything without strict defense guarantees. He essentially wants NATO style guarantees or he won't sign. There's no way Trump agrees to that unless Zelensky signs over ALL of Ukraines wealth, not just some mysterious minerals that might not even be worth extracting.

[PomPolo]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Nah, he just has to wait a bit for Zelensky or his successor to come crawling back begging for a deal.

Won't happen if you look at Ukraine's resilience with a bit of luck Trump will be out of power or one of those kids might get an accurate shot and save the world!!
To any Secret Service on here that was a flippant comment and not serious in any way, I am from the UK and we have very strict WOKE laws on Social media

[bannork]

19 minutes ago, captain_shane said:

Why do you think Putin wouldn't launch nukes at Europe if he thinks he's going to collapse? Why do you want to escalate towards WW3? Why is Ukraine worth risking a nuclear holocaust? I find it funny how rabid leftists were against the middle east wars, but against boogeyman Putin they're worse than John Bolton. You have Dick Cheney and George Bush on your side lol. The entire neo-con complex is on your side hahahaha

Because Putin would get nuked back

[stevenl]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Nah, he just has to wait a bit for Zelensky or his successor to come crawling back begging for a deal.

If as you always claim, Russia is winning, why would Russia agree to giving the US part of it?