6 minutes ago, MicroB said:

 

Yes, it was a Photo-Op. At first I thought it was that imbecile Vance who was trying to spoil it, given the actions of Musk the day before. But the fact that the question on the Ukrainian President's attire (pretty rude thing to ask, would never have asked that of Churchill's Siren Suit) came from MJG's toy boy, of all people, made me smell a rat, that it was contrived. Get Zelensky annoyed about something, then interupt the US President to further rile him, knowing that it would initiate a similar reaction from the US President (both men are obviously volatile personalities, with similar limitations in comprehension). Note how Vance then sat back, with an innocent but smug look on his face. He tried it with the British Prime Minister; there was a perfectly amicable interaction between the two leaders, possibly even genuine warmth, but Vance decided to interject with his bizarre, off-topic observation, particularly when he referenced Apple. I think he was trying to rile the US President, and have that as the headline. And Vance kept referring not to the "media" or "international media" but to the "American media".

 

Who's idea was it for these Oval Office meetings. I don't recall them 2017-20?

 

Almost like someone with Psy-Ops was involved stage managing things.

 

Vance alarmism. Vance 2028.

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

Cleary you did not see the whole thing, 

Nobody did. It went on all day. Trump could see how bad Zelensky is. 

I've had to remove several dozen posts and a few members that were derailing the topic by trading insults and participating in personal bickering that had nothing to do with the topic. We are not going to tolerate any more of that. Please stay on topic, and remain civil.

 

Thank you.

20 minutes ago, jts-khorat said:

 

 

 

I at least see really dark times ahead, and if I would be Chinese, I would throw the fox in the henhouse just to see in which directions the chicken will scatter.

IMO Putin is focused at 180 degrees to where he should be looking.

 

The Chinese think long-term. What better opportunity could there be for them to take over the riches of eastern Siberia, while the Russian army bleeds out in Ukraine.

 

Steel makes the sinews of war. In 2024, Russia produced 70 million tonnes. The Chinese made 1 billion tonnes. Draw your own conclusions.

2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

IMO Putin is focused at 180 degrees to where he should be looking.

 

The Chinese think long-term. What better opportunity could there be for them to take over the riches of eastern Siberia, while the Russian army bleeds out in Ukraine.

 

Steel makes the sinews of war. In 2024, Russia produced 70 million tonnes. The Chinese made 1 billion tonnes. Draw your own conclusions.

Steel not important for war anymore

 

https://mineralsmakelife.org/blog/the-top-eight-minerals-that-support-national-defense/

58 minutes ago, captain_shane said:

That's what you leftists refuse to understand.

We don't do leftists where we come from mate, which is not the US. We do common sense.

1 hour ago, theblether said:

I've got to say this thread is very entertaining. 

 

You must be high if you think China is going to give nukes to Ukraine. Absolute Mad Hatter material. 

 

Amazing stuff. 

Why not? China has given nuclear technology to Iran since the eighties.

 

Do you remember the Molotov-Ribbentrop agreement? What makes you think the Xi-Putin accord is any different?

 

 

19 minutes ago, WorriedNoodle said:

We don't do leftists where we come from mate, which is not the US. We do common sense.

 

Outstanding post. I've been looking for a common sense non-American leftist for ages. 

 

Feel free to tell the forum how Ukraine can win this war. 

2 minutes ago, theblether said:

 

Outstanding post. I've been looking for a common sense non-American leftist for ages. 

 

Feel free to tell the forum how Ukraine can win this war. 

you must be a Putin fan-boy and a MAGA fascist!

Just now, Yellowtail said:

you must be a Putin fan-boy and a MAGA fascist!

 

Yup, that's me. Guilty as charged. 

 

I signed up for the British army as I have a lifetime hatred for the Soviets and their bast*rd Putinesque offspring. 

 

And here I am being lectured by guys who regard taking the lid off a McDonalds coffee as a life threatening event saying I'm pro-Russian - and for why? 

 

Asking the simple question - how does Ukraine win? It can't. 

 

Obama knew they couldn't win. Read that again - Obama knew they couldn't win, so he sent them blankets. 

 

Blankets. 

 

And now entire forests have disappeared as new wood coffins overflow in the morgues, while our Western Brigade of Clowns growl the war chants of day old puppies. 

 

We are surrounded by dangerous clownologists - if brains were explosive they wouldn't have enough to blow their nose. 

 

But don't worry, Mr Common Sense will be along in a minute with his war winning strategy. 

1 minute ago, theblether said:

 

Yup, that's me. Guilty as charged. 

 

I signed up for the British army as I have a lifetime hatred for the Soviets and their bast*rd Putinesque offspring. 

 

And here I am being lectured by guys who regard taking the lid off a McDonalds coffee as a life threatening event saying I'm pro-Russian - and for why? 

 

Asking the simple question - how does Ukraine win? It can't. 

 

Obama knew they couldn't win. Read that again - Obama knew they couldn't win, so he sent them blankets. 

 

Blankets. 

 

And now entire forests have disappeared as new wood coffins overflow in the morgues, while our Western Brigade of Clowns growl the war chants of day old puppies. 

 

We are surrounded by dangerous clownologists - if brains were explosive they wouldn't have enough to blow their nose. 

 

But don't worry, Mr Common Sense will be along in a minute with his war winning strategy. 

Everything agreed to beforehand, and Zelensky was supposed to smile, shake hands, sign the agreement and mug for the cameras. 

 

The left could not have anything that looked like a win for Trump. They must have something big on Zelensky.

 

 

14 minutes ago, theblether said:

 

Outstanding post. I've been looking for a common sense non-American leftist for ages. 

 

Feel free to tell the forum how Ukraine can win this war. 

Common sense says Ukraine can win this war if the EU unites behind it.

2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Common sense says Ukraine can win this war if the EU unites behind it.

Ww3 goes up plus nuke chance does. 

I've said it before and I'll say it again. 

 

Only a natural born idiot compares what's happening here with 1930's appeasement. These same NBI's girn about Chamberlain, Hitler, Churchill, Stalin et al. Some are even dumb enough to complain about the nukes that hit Japan. 

 

The name thee seek is Truman. 

 

He decided to demarcate Europe and allow old sovereign states to fall under the Iron Grip of Stalin. 

 

He surrendered land in exchange for peace. 

 

He introduced the guarantee of NATO Article 5 protection for member states backed by US military force. 

 

Unfortunately, he surrendered the only time in human history where a single country did have the Dragon in the Sky, the ability to destroy all - "I am death." 

 

He chose peace. He chose the humanitarian path, he chose the Marshall Plan, the chose to rebuild Japan. 

 

Truman was one of the most exceptional human beings in history. And if he were alive today he'd say - surrender the lost land. Stop the killing. 

 

But these keyboard assassins, man - what a waste of DNA these halfwits are. 

I looked at the scene and saw one guy who is a warrior, fighting to save his country. I saw two guys who were constantly trying to get a booty licking for money the previous president gave. 

4 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Common sense says Ukraine can win this war if the EU unites behind it.

 

You are demented. Seek help. 

 

 

4 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Common sense says Ukraine can win this war if the EU unites behind it.

Who in the EU is ready to put boots on the ground? 

 

The US and the EU was behind them for three years.

 

Too funny. 

Just now, Purdey said:

I looked at the scene and saw one guy who is a warrior, fighting to save his country. I saw two guys who were constantly trying to get a booty licking for money the previous president gave. 

 

And I saw a guy saying "nice house you have here, it would be a shame if something happened to it." 

The EU is not a military organization. 

 

If NATO enters the war, it's nuclear war time. 

 

No sane Brit I know is prepared start a nuclear war to assist Ukraine. 

 

Regard anyone suggesting that NATO attacks Russia as mentally ill. Treat them as such. 

Just now, theblether said:

The EU is not a military organization. 

 

If NATO enters the war, it's nuclear war time. 

 

No sane Brit I know is prepared start a nuclear war to assist Ukraine. 

 

Regard anyone suggesting that NATO attacks Russia as mentally ill. Treat them as such. 

I love when they say Putin wouldn't dare use nukes

9 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Common sense says Ukraine can win this war if the EU unites behind it.

Please tell me this is a joke? Please....

4 hours ago, PomPolo said:

The main problem with your statement is Russian people do not want to fight half of them are defecting to Phuket!
As for your estimation on deaths on the Ukrainian side please see below
I don't think Ukraine are doing too bad if you look at the stats and bad luck to anyone that lives in Phuket and has to put up with the Russian defectors.
Ukraine are a hundred times more committed to retaining their country than Russian citizens other than Putin want to take it from them, that makes more of a difference than Tanks, Planes, Bombs or Guns.
The only thing Russia are succeeding at is killing more Ukrainian civilians than Ukraine do Top Work!!!
Russia has lost around 90,000 to 140,000 soldiers with 500,000 to 700,000 wounded since the war's start.
Ukraine has suffered over 65,000 military deaths, 380,000 wounded, and around 12,500 civilian fatalities.

Generationally different @captain_shane but this is the way Ukraine are operating, I am sure any intelligent person knows the quote but it is eerily correct and similar to the current conflict from 1940 this statement, these guys will not give up whether or not Presidents or Vice Presidents from influential countries threaten them especially muppets and puppets like Trump and Vance, the Americans are not stupid people in general so they will realise that at some point and get it that world security is not just a European problem as Dictator Trump likes to hail to his fiend Putler.

"We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender."
Twice as many Russians have been killed in this conflict, more civilians in the Ukraine given the Putler's bombing policy on schools and hospitals.
It is a Sht show and the presidents of both influential countries need to step down and let someone with more common sense handle it before they start WWIII or go into business together.

29 minutes ago, theblether said:

The EU is not a military organization. 

 

. 

Germany has 310 Leopard tanks. It has sent 18 to Ukraine.

 

France has over 500 Schneider tanks.

 

You think these are just ornamental?

I have started feeling sorry for American citizens with the head in the sand policy and assume their bipolar leaders are doing the right thing!

7 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Germany has 310 Leopard tanks. It has sent 18 to Ukraine.

 

France has over 500 Schneider tanks.

 

You think these are just ornamental?

Hitler had 3200 tanks. 18 is nothing.

4 minutes ago, PomPolo said:

I have started feeling sorry for American citizens with the head in the sand policy and assume their bipolar leaders are doing the right thing!

I feel sorry for msm followers.

1 minute ago, Harrisfan said:

I feel sorry for msm followers.

What started WWII an invasion of Poland, next door to Ukraine you think Putler will stop there?

47 minutes ago, Purdey said:

I looked at the scene and saw one guy who is a warrior, fighting to save his country. I saw two guys who were constantly trying to get a booty licking for money the previous president gave. 

 

Looks like a clever statement until your realise it was Trump that sent the Javelin's to Ukraine while Obama sent blankets. 

 

I bet you didn't know that. 

Just now, PomPolo said:

What started WWII an invasion of Poland, next door to Ukraine you think Putler will stop there?

Who is Putler? How long did the Polish invasion last? 

2 minutes ago, PomPolo said:

What started WWII an invasion of Poland, next door to Ukraine you think Putler will stop there?

 

You need to quit posting. 

 

First of all, modern day Poland would beat Russia in a conventional war and the Russians know it. 

 

Second, Poland is protected by Article 5, guaranteed NATO mobilisation. 

 

Just give it a rest.