Did Trump bring shame upon the US with his Zelensky lecture?

[ExpatOilWorker]

The real traitor. 

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, SMIAI said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but did he not say that he would have sex with his own daughter  if she weren't his daughter?

You are wrong.

[frank83628]

1 hour ago, SMIAI said:

 

Okay, what I see here is you presenting an opinion as fact.

 

You assert that it was because of 9/11 that the U.S. invaded Iraq(and Afghanistan)?

 

What evidence do you have that assures you of that? Remember when I wrote about being fed information?

 

What was the connection between Saddam Hussein and 9/11? You won't be able to tell me, because you didn't really ever think about it. You were just fed information and you picked a side, without really knowing anything. 

 

I'm not asking you to Google and to try to put a story together. I'm asking you to explain from the knowledge that prompted you to assert that it was " due to 911 that the US went into iqau and Afghanistan"

That's exactly my point , Now go and bother someone else

[SMIAI]

8 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You are wrong.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-ivanka-trump-creepiest-most-unsettling-comments-a-roundup-a7353876.html

[SMIAI]

3 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

That's exactly my point you clown, Now go and bother someone else

 

I have no idea of your point.

You asked about Bin Laden and then abandoned the conversation. What is it that you wanted us to know in that context?

 

You seem to be becoming increasingly abusive in your posts.  

Remember, we are discussing our take on events, rather than attacking each other personally.

No need to behave in a Trumpian manner. The name calling just degenerates the whole process.

Trying to discuss without doing it.

[bannork]

Elon Musk couldn't resist joining the Trump- Zelensky meeting.

 

[Peabody]

From the Department of Defense website, 1/20/25. What has changed?

 

The United States, our allies, and our partners worldwide are united in support of Ukraine in response to Russia’s premeditated, unprovoked, and unjustified war against Ukraine.  We have not forgotten Russia’s earlier aggression in eastern Ukraine and occupation following its unlawful seizure of Crimea in 2014.  The United States reaffirms its unwavering support for Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity within its internationally recognized borders, extending to its territorial waters.
 

Ukraine is a key regional strategic partner that has undertaken significant efforts to modernize its military and increase its interoperability with NATO. It remains an urgent security assistance priority to provide Ukraine the equipment it needs to defend itself against Russia’s war against Ukraine.
 

To date, we have provided $65.9 billion in military assistance since Russia launched its premeditated, unprovoked, and brutal full-scale invasion of Ukraine on February 24, 2022, and approximately $69.2 billion in military assistance since Russia’s initial invasion of Ukraine in 2014. We have now used the emergency Presidential Drawdown Authority on 55 occasions since August 2021 to provide Ukraine military assistance totaling approximately $27.688 billion from DoD stockpiles.

https://www.state.gov/bureau-of-political-military-affairs/releases/2025/01/u-s-security-cooperation-with-ukraine#:~:text=To date%2C we have provided,invasion of Ukraine in 2014.

 

[Harrisfan]

43 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

The real traitor. 

Old guys googling pictures of Vance and Trump

[spidermike007]

1 hour ago, Harrisfan said:

You must like pink

Your replies are so consistently dull, partisan, hateful and thoughtless. 

[Harrisfan]

7 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Your replies are so consistently dull, partisan, hateful and thoughtless. 

You post a man dressed in pink that is fake. Filled with hate. Sad.

[Harrisfan]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

One of the classic signs of a narcissist is the constant overestimation of one's own value.

Like your posts?

[Andre0720]

6 hours ago, SMIAI said:

 

 

What is this nonsense? Sky News Australia(Rupert Murdoch) and some hand picked 'opinions'? How is this relevant? I didn't watch beyond the first few seconds, as I could see that it wasn't anything serious.

Ok.

A few seconds will get you to decide on a subject.

You must have voted for Kamala Harris.

 

You missed a good chance to avoid replying on this post...

[Mavideol]

4 hours ago, Peabody said:

How much has he asked Israel to return to AmeriKKKa?

 

nothing, son in law is jews/jewish, Bibi is his bf,  if he opens his mouth about Israel he will be crucified by all jews/jewishs in the government, easy to go after Ukraine they have some natural resources Israel has nothing to offer and he not chastise Bib in public in front of the cameras, too much too loose with jewish community, the "little" hero from Ukraine is a threat to him

[BKKKevin]

3 hours ago, frank83628 said:

The transcripts of the call showed nothing wrong, end of story, Adam pencil neck Schiffs 'interpretation' of the call is not evidence.

 

That transcript was the criticak evidence that got him impeached! 🤣

[SiSePuede419]

Hours Before Trump Showdown, Zelensky Was Warned Not To "Take The Bait"

 

It's a trap!  Ambush!

 

Tangerine Jesse James and his sidekick Mascara Boy are hiding behind the rocks in the slot canyon!

 

They want to jump you and steal your land.

 

Only it's not stealing, Putin explained to Donnie...

 

There's lots of people in Russia and their standard of living is terrible and they need some new land.

 

Ukrainians are just being selfish, Vlad says.

 

It's okay to be selfish if you're Vlad or the world's richest man ("Tech Support").

 

But Zelensky is just a poor Jewish comedian. 

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but he just had a TV show.

 

How lame is that? 

 

Thinking just because you had a little TV show that made you qualified to be President. 😭

 

Besides Donnie has a "beef" with Zelensky.

 

Zelensky stood up to Donnie and didn't allow Ukraine to be extorted for phony Hunter Biden "crimes" (non-existent).

 

When you stand up to a Mafia boss, they get upset like babies.

 

You don't know what Putin has been through SOBS Russia, Russia, Russia.  Oh so terrible!

 

He's got that tape of the hookers peeing on me in Moscow SOBS

 

Sorry, Donnie!

 

You should have checked your "free" hotel suite for hidden cameras before the hookers knocked on your door, Dummy.

 

Next time be more careful! 😘

 

[frank83628]

16 minutes ago, BKKKevin said:

 

That transcript was the criticak evidence that got him impeached! 🤣

And where did the impeachment go, how did it end?

[Mike_Hunt]

2 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

The real traitor. 

How so?

[Mike_Hunt]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

Your replies are so consistently dull, partisan, hateful and thoughtless. 

Irony. 

[MicroB]

On 3/1/2025 at 7:40 AM, spidermike007 said:

He dresses like a man who is directing a war against a genocidal nation. Trump wouldn't know anything about that. Trump is the polar opposite of a patriot. 

 

The clothing issue is a red herring. Churchill wore a boiler suit in the Whitehouse in 1942 (at selective times, at other times he wore a plain button naval uniform). Maggie Thatcher  wore DPM flying with the paras. Starmer wore whatever the current Defstan camoflage just a few weeks back. Liz Truss even wore a flak jacket. Xi wears combats at times. When King Charles wears his uniform, it for the same reason all the politicians wear one.

 

American Presidents seem to be the exception. I think the only sitting US President, in modern times at least, to have worn a military uniform while in office was George W Bush.

 

https://static.politico.com/dims4/default/2cc0a44/2147483647/resize/1160x>/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.politico.com%2Fdb%2F40%2F44617f1245f1812781c4682c805d%2F20160214-grunwald-trumpbushiraq.jpg

 

And the flight suit ceased being merely a flight suit once it had Presidential (rank) insignia on it.

 

The American President will, at times, wear, like other Presidents, those quasi-military blousons, when attending events with the military, or emergency officials. There's no practical reason to do so, its for the photo opportunity to convey a message. The Oval office was a photo opportunity, given there was supposed to be a formal press conference at the podiums later. The "sacredness" of the Oval Office is a nonsense considering what Musk and he bogie-picking offspring do there.

 

But moving away from the US-Ukraine spat, which I think will be sorted (the President wants his $350bn back, right now he's getting nothing), the broader sense is that trust in the United States is being eroded in spades. For some "trust" and "reliability" are just code words for being a sucker. Several years ago the current President conckuded some complex trade agreements with Canada and Mexico, stating at the time, these were fantastic deals. Here he is  telling the world what a great deal it was;

 

 

Years later, he's saying it was a terrible deal, and wondered who negotiated such a terrible deal. I don't think he had a memory lapse. This is how he worked when he was a businessman. Maybe it was the only way to get ahead in property investment; bad faith business, and screwing the other guy, and he is applying these practices in foreign relations.

 

So America's word means nothing now. Presidents won't abide by treaties signed by predecessors. NATO members can no longer count on Article 5. Trade agreements concluded after tariff wars are worthless. British troops cannot count on the United States anymore, irrespective of what the President said, smiling, shaking hands, to the British Prime Minister.

 

The American President says he never wants to see an American soldier in a war again, which is a laudable notion, and no one can disgree with that. I don't "want" British or an other soldiers dying in Ukraine, or anywhere. American troops storming the beaches in Normandy or Iwo Jima, didn't "want" to draw their last breath that day, but many did.  Jesus didn't want to die on the cross. But he did, for a nobler cause, and he was true to His Word, as did many Martyrs.

 

Putin doesn't trust the Americans and the West (we now talk of these as seperate entities, as US interests are no longer Western interests, they are only American intersts). The West will no longer trust the Americans. With all that, a Peace Treaty and all Peace Treaties are over. Taiwan probably doesn't trust the US anymore. That's going to affect how it views reunification. It might start moving in that direction. Without American help, they will be over run, and many people die. They are not getting American help. Some Americans might think thats a good thing, no American boy should die for Taipei, but the outcome won't be good for America. Some in the world might start trusting China more, because the Chinese are very legalistic; they will pour over the fine print in agreements going back generations. They have a much longer term view. The alternative is a world in chaos. An America that thinks it doesn't need the rest of the world, until another Bin Laden rocks up with a nuke this time. Its a savage world, with no rules, no order, except the rule of jungle. And that will extend to within the US.Why should Texas or California trust Washington to return federal tax money in the shape of infrastructure?

 

Lack of trust erodes the US's biggest power; its Soft Power. Proverbially, everyone wants to be American, or the American lifestyle. The US projects a positive message, through media, through culture. A lot of that costs it nothing. The British like Americans, on a personal level, because we feel we are kith and kin (even if that is, at times, not reciprocated). Western Europe also feels a lot fo alignment because of perceived common values, through "Western Civilisation". Businessmen know all about Good Will. That's gold dust in business; you build up a business, and make money selling it on because of the Good Will built up. It takes a long time to build up Good Will, the customer who keeps coming back. One mistake can completely destroy it.

 

Hard Power is the American's other Power. Ultimately, they have 6000 nuclear weapons, and they can choose to use them for offensive purposes. If America wants Greenland, and Denmark objects, Copenhagen is erased. No one could stand up to a power execised like that. But its expensive power to exercise. Some one could attack America back They won't win, but cities might be lost. Maybe that's an acceptable price to pay, But Hard Power sounds a lot more expensive to get your way in the world than Soft Power.

[BKKKevin]

20 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

And where did the impeachment go, how did it end?

 

We obviously see this from different ends of a moral spectrum...

[MicroB]

On 3/1/2025 at 7:03 AM, Yellowtail said:

leftists

 

 

Change the record.

 

Some card carrying Nazi book burning religious Holy Joes don't understand sources of government income and who who paying for stuff today.

[Stiddle Mump]

Who gives a sh!t what he looks, and dresses like?!

 

It's the man's integrity that is important.

[frank83628]

2 hours ago, BKKKevin said:

 

We obviously see this from different ends of a moral spectrum...

So it went no where, the psycho democrats tried but failed..

They threw an impeachment at him, the phone transcript proved nothing happened, and zelensky said the same under oath, so you have notjing apart from msm lies. 

[frank83628]

3 hours ago, Mike_Hunt said:

Irony. 

Hateful, nasty meanie.... I'm telling teacher, 

[daveAustin]

Did Trump bring shame upon the US with his Zelensky lecture?
 

Yep. I was pretty embarrassed for the US. It was a disgraceful act, Mike, esp since a little prick on the side was able to berate a state leader. While that donkey does not speak for all of you and there are lovely people in the US of course, it was classic Wild West US diplomacy and has everyone else pulling back from America. He is taking you full-on nationalistic AXIS. 

[still kicking]

‘It made me want to throw up’: Americans ‘sick’ over Donald Trump’s treatment of Volodymyr Zelensky

Donald Trump, J.D. Vance’s treatment of Zelensky brings shame on America | news.com.au — Australia’s leading news site

[kwonitoy]

[CallumWK]

[SiSePuede419]

GOP piles on Trump's Zelensky hostility

 

Some of the GOP spineless sheep even had to delete from their website their praise for Zelensky when they met with him in the morning...

 

After Dear MAGA Mob Leader and his sidekick threw a temper tantrum that afternoon.

 

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha.

😀😃😄😁😆😅😂🤣😭

[spidermike007]

17 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You are wrong.

When Donald Trump was watching his 16-year-old daughter Ivanka host the 1997 Miss Teen USA pageant, he turned to the then-Miss Universe and asked: “Don’t you think my daughter’s hot? She’s hot, right?”

 

In the almost 20 years since, Mr Trump has called his eldest daughter “voluptuous”. He’s said it’s OK to describe her as “a piece of ass”, though she is a senior executive in his business empire. And he’s said that, if she wasn’t his daughter, “perhaps [he’d] be dating her”.

 

Rolling Stone interview, September 2015

 

“After I met Ivanka and praised her to her father, he said, ‘Yeah, she's really something, and what a beauty, that one. If I weren't happily married and, ya know, her father . . .’”