In defiance of Trump, I think Nato should put troops on the ground in Ukraine.

[nauseus]

On 3/5/2025 at 5:22 PM, Purdey said:

Putin is losing men that he will need one day to grow the economy. A huge show of force by NATO, or just EU members, might push him to reconsider.

 

Might push him to push buttons too. Boom. Oops. Great idea! 

[Mavideol]

21 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Why should US taxpayers pay for what is going on in the Donbas?

why should US taxpayers pay for what is going on in Israel, the West Bank, Gaza, Lebanon and so forth

[nauseus]

15 minutes ago, TedG said:

Total air control over Ukraine.  

 

How?

[nauseus]

13 minutes ago, KireB said:

You mean the almost 40 trillion dollars National debt? Interest payments more than military spending, and the only way to service debt is inflating the money supply. 

The US economy is like the Titanic, will Trump be its proverbial iceberg?

 

But unlike the Titanic, the US economy is already severely damaged and under water in debt, in all cabin classes.

[TedG]

35 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

How?

A first world coutry with first world aircraft would deny Russia aircraft entry into the airpace above Ukraine. 

[rattlesnake]

40 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

why should US taxpayers pay for what is going on in Israel, the West Bank, Gaza, Lebanon and so forth

 

Absolutely.

[candide]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

 

Why not tell us exactly what an airshield is?

Something like this

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/06/european-led-ukraine-air-protection-plan-could-halt-russian-missile-attacks

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, candide said:

Something like this

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/06/european-led-ukraine-air-protection-plan-could-halt-russian-missile-attacks

That would never work

[NoDisplayName]

5 minutes ago, candide said:

Something like this

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/06/european-led-ukraine-air-protection-plan-could-halt-russian-missile-attacks

 

More like this.....Game-changers v2.0

 

[nauseus]

21 minutes ago, TedG said:

A first world coutry with first world aircraft would deny Russia aircraft entry into the airpace above Ukraine. 

 

A nice thought but easier said than done, especially if larger scale war is to be avoided.

[nauseus]

32 minutes ago, candide said:

Something like this

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/06/european-led-ukraine-air-protection-plan-could-halt-russian-missile-attacks

The story itself admits the limited coverage. The Russians have not risked their air force much but most of their tactics favour the use of long range missiles and drones, anyway. However, the VVS is being upgraded in the meantime and they have developed their own new gen fighter already. Whatever, any NATO warplane activity in Ukrainian skies may well produce the same reaction from Russia as any NATO boots on the ground might do. Risky without any prior agreement, at least.

[MicroB]

10 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

That would never work

 

Comfy armchair?

[Luuk Chaai]

13 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

I think what you meant to say was: 

 

I completely agree, and I think that the world should stand up in mutual defiance of Trump and the half of Americans that support him. He and the half of Americans that support him are all blazing idiot, he and the half of Americans that support him are absolute fools, he and the half of Americans that support him are incredibly ignorant, and he and the half of Americans that support him should be defied at every single opportunity. The world absolutely has to speak out and let them know that the creeps and the half of Americans that support him antics and stupidity will not be tolerated. 

 

Trump's and the half of Americans that support him arrogance knows no bounds, the US under his and the half of Americans that support him guidance is completely out of control, their influence is declining by the day, and Trump and the half of Americans that support him needs to be taught a very painful and very powerful lesson.

 

Say what you mean brother.

and to add to the point ..  ever notice it mostly the NON Americans that complain ?

Go ahead let the  Euro nations  blab away ... They think they can out do President Trump ?

in reality ..   they got NOTHING !

 

[sharot724]

Trump is no longer the World Leader and Macron is now the man

[DonniePeverley]

16 hours ago, John Drake said:

 

Bombs dropping on UK, French, and German cities would decimate the muslim population in those countries.

 

The muslim population in the UK is 6% . Appalling racism. 

[steven100]

14 minutes ago, hotsun said:

As long as you are the one paying for the war to continue, and not me, dont care about your emotional drivel

another stupid comment.  Lol  

[hotsun]

2 minutes ago, steven100 said:

another stupid comment.  Lol  

Laugh while you can. Hope donald <deleted> you euros big time. Would be well deserved

[MicroB]

1 hour ago, Luuk Chaai said:

and to add to the point ..  ever notice it mostly the NON Americans that complain ?

Go ahead let the  Euro nations  blab away ... They think they can out do President Trump ?

in reality ..   they got NOTHING !

 

 

How would you know if anyone on the forum is American or Non-American? We are all strangers on a forum, and we are all, 100%, proven liars. Pretty sure your first name isn't Luuk for instance.

 

You might have misunderstood the debate. No one, literally no one, is trying to "out do" the American leader. Not even the Argentinian President.

[JimHuaHin]

Agreed.  Time for Europe to look after itself again; Trump and Vance are more intent of <deleted> themselves.

[steven100]

Now this is probably the most sensible suggestion in a long time ......  

 

[Yellowtail]

1 hour ago, MicroB said:

 

How would you know if anyone on the forum is American or Non-American? We are all strangers on a forum, and we are all, 100%, proven liars. Pretty sure your first name isn't Luuk for instance.

 

You might have misunderstood the debate. No one, literally no one, is trying to "out do" the American leader. Not even the Argentinian President.

It's easy. 

 

The Trump-haters that sound reasonably bright are European. 

 

The Trump-haters that sound like morons are Americans. 

[sharot724]

proof here YT

Another EU trashing the leader of America:

 

 

[Olav Seglem]

Nato have backed the us when they came crying for help, so smart help good neighbours insted of ungrateful cowarding "allie" 🙂

And, just as info, europe have GIVEN  50% more then us has providing as loan with interest that wiĺl be loan sharks wet dream 🙂

 

[philipsharpe]

On 3/5/2025 at 11:39 PM, Tiger1980 said:

As a Brit can one of you Americans inform me which unit of the American service did Trump serve in and for how long.

What are the service records of Starmer and Macron like?...not to mention actor/comedian Z!

[Yellowtail]

31 minutes ago, sharot724 said:

proof here YT

Another EU trashing the leader of America:

 

 

I'm sorry, what is that proof of? 

[Yellowtail]

17 minutes ago, Olav Seglem said:

Nato have backed the us when they came crying for help, so smart help good neighbours insted of ungrateful cowarding "allie" 🙂

And, just as info, europe have GIVEN  50% more then us has providing as loan with interest that wiĺl be loan sharks wet dream 🙂

 

The US has not refused to back NATO. 

[Cameroni]

2 hours ago, steven100 said:

Now this is probably the most sensible suggestion in a long time ......  

 

 

Lol, typical Italian thinking, trying to circumvent the rules. Such a guarantee would be tantamount to giving Ukraine NATO membership and therefore would prevent any deal to end the war. Every idiot can see this. More Euro drivel to lick the boots of Ukraine that is about as irrelevant as anything else that comes out of Europe. It will never happen.

 

Anyone who thinks this is a viable option needs to seek medical help.

[sandyf]

On 3/5/2025 at 8:17 PM, Yellowtail said:

I support Ukraine, and I would love to see them march on Moscow, kill Putin and demand a surrender. 

 

But, Zelensky had the support of the US, and the support of most of Europe, and is at an effective stalemate after three years, a million dead and wounded, and after a quarter of Ukraine's population have fled the country. 

 

What is going to be different now? 

 

Nobody thought that there would be still be conflict 3 years down the road. The US put something like 80K troops into Poland following the invasion.

What is different now is that Trump has taken away the catapult and it is back to the drawing board.

If Ukraine falls, where will the Russian advance stop?

All a bit ironic, like the Red Scare never existed.

 

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Nobody thought that there would be still be conflict 3 years down the road. The US put something like 80K troops into Poland following the invasion.

What is different now is that Trump has taken away the catapult and it is back to the drawing board.

If Ukraine falls, where will the Russian advance stop?

All a bit ironic, like the Red Scare never existed.

 

I'm sorry, did you not understand the question? 

 

 

[Cameroni]

12 minutes ago, sandyf said:

If Ukraine falls, where will the Russian advance stop?

 

Oh my God Russia wants to invade London! Quick, give Boris Johnson a plane!