Betrayed Warriors: The SAS Veterans Facing Legal Persecution

[newbee2022]

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I don’t think there is any suggestion of ‘war crimes’, rather unlawful use of lethal force/unlawful killing.

 

There was no declaration of war and civil law was in force at the time of the killings.

 

 

Why then there have been killings if there was no war? Makes no sense.

And if these killings indeed happened in their daily job...then it's murder.❗

Let the court decide.

[johng]

15 minutes ago, transam said:

Oh, and where do you come from........?

 

 oh I come from a land down under  you better run you better take cover !

 

no not really, I already told you were I come from in another tread about "the war"

the country that built Lancaster Bombers.

 

[newbee2022]

6 minutes ago, Photoguy21 said:

War crimes? Are you on a controlled substance because it seems as if you are. 

Are you blindfolded?

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, newbee2022 said:

Why then there have been killings if there was no war? Makes no sense.

And if these killings indeed happened in their daily job...then it's murder.❗

Let the court decide.

Yes, let the court decide.

[transam]

7 minutes ago, johng said:

 

 oh I come from a land down under  you better run you better take cover !

 

no not really, I already told you were I come from in another tread about "the war"

the country that built Lancaster Bombers.

 

Then perhaps you should refrain from putting the boot in regarding UK special forces...🤔

[johng]

8 minutes ago, transam said:

Then perhaps you should refrain from putting the boot in regarding UK special forces...🤔

Not at all,

Just because I come from that country doesn't mean I have to agree with everything the "special forces"  do , I can agree with some of what they do  and

be uncomfortable with some of the things they do  and be totally against some of the things they do  and at the same time acknowledging the "special forces"  are "only following orders" and face severe punishment for disobedience.

[transam]

1 minute ago, johng said:

Not at all,

Just because I come from that country doesn't mean I have to agree with everything the "special forces"  do , I can agree with some of what they do  and

be uncomfortable with some of the things they do  and be totally against some of the things they do  and at the same time acknowledging the "special forces"  are "only following orders" and face severe punishment for disobedience.

In other words, you know nothing but like to scrutinise a service that is basically secret........

[Chomper Higgot]

21 minutes ago, johng said:

 

 oh I come from a land down under  you better run you better take cover !

 

no not really, I already told you were I come from in another tread about "the war"

the country that built Lancaster Bombers.

 

That particular Lancaster Bomber ( The Mynarski Memorial Lancaster) is at the Canadian War Planes Heritage Museum in Canada. A nation that built Lancaster Bombers under license.

 

 

https://www.warplane.com/lady-orchid.aspx

 

[transam]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

That particular Lancaster Bomber ( The Mynarski Memorial Lancaster) is at the Canadian War Planes Heritage Museum in Canada. A nation that built Lancaster Bombers under license.

 

 

https://www.warplane.com/lady-orchid.aspx

 

Reminds me of Hughie Green.........😉

[johng]

5 minutes ago, transam said:

in other words, you know nothing but like to scrutinise a service that is basically secret

 

Yes they are secret so that means everything they do is perfect  and should have no scrutiny at all ?

[transam]

Just now, johng said:

 

Yes they are secret so that means everything they do is perfect  and should have no scrutiny at all ?

Exactly, only to their team officers or the PM, not Joe Bloggs..........🙄

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, newbee2022 said:

Why then there have been killings if there was no war? Makes no sense.

And if these killings indeed happened in their daily job...then it's murder.❗

Let the court decide.

They killed terrorists who were carrying out terrorist attacks in both N Ireland and the UK. Their daily job was the SAS.

[Patong2021]

3 hours ago, Andrew65 said:

It's questionable whether or not the IRA were involved in a war, in the true meaning of it.

Provisional IRA  described their insurgency as a war of liberation.

[JAG]

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Congratulations, you managed to vomit your both your LGBT and your immigrant fixations into a topic that isn’t about either.

 

 

 

 

Says the man who raised the spectre of the NAZI " just following orders defence"

 

PIRA had just driven a digger, carrying a massive bomb (which exploded) in its front bucket into the police station, followed by machine gunning the wreckage with a 12.7mm heavy machine gun. They were ambushed and killed in the response, whilst dismantling the HMG in order to escape.

 

Those are the facts. Not a war crime, not a crime at all. Certainly not murder.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, JAG said:

Says the man who raised the spectre of the NAZI " just following orders defence"

I was merely responding to a quote from the OP.

 

Thanks you for remind where I had previously heard that defense.

 

 

9 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The ‘only following orders’ defense.

 

Where have heard that before?

 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

22 hours ago, Social Media said:

The issue is further complicated by lawyers bringing human rights claims against British troops, a practice that some veterans believe is being exploited. Simm specifically criticizes figures like Phil Shiner, a former left-wing lawyer who was disbarred and sentenced for making false allegations of abuse against British soldiers in Iraq. Shiner, once celebrated by civil rights groups, was found to have illegally profited from taxpayer funds while pursuing these cases. “Without clarity of the legal framework these troops will be operating within, the British public should prepare for more instances of ambulance-chasing, human-rights zealots like Phil Shiner assuming their ‘international duty’ of ensuring that no enemy of this country will die on their watch – under any circumstances,” Simm says.  

So true. Left wing "ambulance-chasing, human-rights zealots"

[Social Media]

A number of your troll posts removed @newbee2022 If you have nothing to add to the discussion other than responding with antagonizing deflection then I suggest you move to another topic.

 

A further post removed for comment on moderation from the above poster has also been removed and now earned himself a posting break.

[JAG]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

So true. Left wing "ambulance-chasing, human-rights zealots"

And didn't so many of us chuckle when "Shiner's" little scam came unstuck!

[billd766]

21 hours ago, transam said:

As I thought, you are just anti UK special forces, just trying to have a pop at anything.

 

Oh, and where do you come from........?   😁

I suspect that the only special forces he has met were on the next barstool.

 

The very few I ever met in my 25 years in the military were quiet unassuming guys, and if a fight erupted in a bar they would quietly finish their drink, pay their bill and walk away.

 

They would never brag about themselves or start a fight.

[Bannoi]

I've posted this before an account of the actual ambush

 

https://www.forcesnews.com/opinion/opinion-why-sas-didnt-try-capture-ira-clonoe

 

And a bit more information about the SAS in Northern Ireland if anyones really interested

 

https://www.eliteukforces.info/special-air-service/history/northern-ireland/part2/#google_vignette

 

What should be bourne in mind is that this was a coroner's report from a Judge in Belfast Northern Ireland where the vast majority of people are biased one way or the other you can make your own mind up.

 

Personally I doubt very much this will go any further.

[Bannoi]

23 hours ago, Andrew65 said:

It's questionable whether or not the IRA were involved in a war, in the true meaning of it.

Not questionable at all as far as the IRA were concerned it was a war. 

 

They were at war with the British Army who they considered a foreign army  

The Ulster Defence Regiment (UDR) that was formed after the B Specials were disbanded.

The B Specials were 99% Protestant and were a part time armed special police force formed in 1920 whose main job was to counter the IRA, distrusted and hated by the Catholic Community.

And the Royal Ulster Constabulary the police (RUC) who they considered part of the British Establishment even though it was comprised of both Protestant and Catholics.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 3/11/2025 at 3:54 PM, KhunLA said:

Reads like they murdered 4 civilians, suspected of a crime, without due process.  Unless they were pointing a weapon at them, or in danger, did they have the right to kill the 4 civilians.   What were their 'rules of engagement'.

 

While shooing at the building, did they actually kill or harm anyone ?   Were the 4 that were killed, even involved with shooting up the building ?

 

Does seem excessive force was used, along with, the SAS were not in danger or being shot at.

 

... "The British soldiers fired approximately 570 rounds. Although the soldiers had claimed that the IRA team had opened fire the coroner, who is also a High Court judge, ruled that this claim was “demonstrably untrue”. In his record of the evidence it is stated that one soldier, Soldier H, suffered a facial injury caused by a bullet from a ricochet from a round fired by another soldier. " ... 

 

Report of the incident:

https://nationalsecuritynews.com/2025/02/one-law-for-them-are-the-sas-victims-of-a-witch-hunt-brigadier-retd-phil-mcevoy-obe-a-former-head-of-operational-law-in-the-british-army-gives-his-view/

Have you served? If not, IMO you have no right to pontificate about men that go in harms way to carry out their orders.

In the event they are convicted, expect a decline in the number of men willing to protect YOU.

[proton]

Who dares gets prosecuted, the sate of modern UK, where heroes are villains and the villains are the victims 

[KhunLA]

5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Have you served? If not, IMO you have no right to pontificate about men that go in harms way to carry out their orders.

In the event they are convicted, expect a decline in the number of men willing to protect YOU.

Yes I have, and I voluntarily enlisted, not drafted/conscripted.  Thank you.

 

Read the link I provided, about the incident in question, and explain to me, why they had to kill 4 people, that were not shooting at them ?

 

They fired 570 rounds, that almost 2 full 30 round mags for 10 people, or 1 mag for 20 people, to kill 4 people.

 

Yea, I think that's a bit excessive.

[Bannoi]

On 3/11/2025 at 2:54 AM, KhunLA said:

Reads like they murdered 4 civilians, suspected of a crime, without due process. 

They weren't civilians they were active Irish Republican Army (IRA) personnel

[worgeordie]

On 3/11/2025 at 3:27 PM, Andrew65 said:

It's questionable whether or not the IRA were involved in a war, in the true meaning of it.

Irish Republican ARMY ....they were in a war

 

regards worgeordie

[KhunLA]

27 minutes ago, Bannoi said:

They weren't civilians they were active Irish Republican Army (IRA) personnel

Simply calling yourself the 'irish republican army' does not make the military of the govt, in an undeclared war.

 

 

Freedom fighters or terrorist ... UP2U   

In my world dictionary, IRA, if killing civilians, you are terrorist.   Also doesn't mean, you don't deserve due process for your crimes.

 

I'm going to guess, rules of engagement were, 'shoot to kill ... IF ... fired upon', which they were not, supposedly.   Courts will sort it out, maybe.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

17 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Simply being called 'irish republican army' does not make the military of the govt.  

 

 

Freedom fighters or terrorist ... UP2U   

In my world dictionary, if killing civilians, you are terrorist.   Also doesn't mean, you don't deserve due process for your crimes.

 

I'm going to guess, rules of engagement were, 'shoot to kill ... IF ... fired upon', which they were not, supposedly.   Courts will sort it out, maybe.

 

 

Civilians or Freedom fighters they were not, terrorists who murdered innocents civilians they were.

 

It was an illegal organisation in the Republic of Ireland and designated a proscribed terrorist organisation in the United Kingdom and the United States. The Real IRA waged a campaign in Northern Ireland against the Police Service of Northern Ireland—formerly the Royal Ulster Constabulary—and the British Army.

 

[rough diamond]

39 minutes ago, Bannoi said:

They weren't civilians they were active Irish Republican Army (IRA) personnel

They were Terrorists, plain and simple, as were their followers.

 

[connda]

The Troubles are still with us, 'eh?