newbee2022 Posted March 11 Posted March 11 8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: I don’t think there is any suggestion of ‘war crimes’, rather unlawful use of lethal force/unlawful killing. There was no declaration of war and civil law was in force at the time of the killings. Why then there have been killings if there was no war? Makes no sense. And if these killings indeed happened in their daily job...then it's murder.❗ Let the court decide. 4
johng Posted March 11 Posted March 11 15 minutes ago, transam said: Oh, and where do you come from........? oh I come from a land down under you better run you better take cover ! no not really, I already told you were I come from in another tread about "the war" the country that built Lancaster Bombers. 2
newbee2022 Posted March 11 Posted March 11 6 minutes ago, Photoguy21 said: War crimes? Are you on a controlled substance because it seems as if you are. Are you blindfolded? 1
Chomper Higgot Posted March 11 Posted March 11 Just now, newbee2022 said: Why then there have been killings if there was no war? Makes no sense. And if these killings indeed happened in their daily job...then it's murder.❗ Let the court decide. Yes, let the court decide. 1
Popular Post transam Posted March 11 Popular Post Posted March 11 7 minutes ago, johng said: oh I come from a land down under you better run you better take cover ! no not really, I already told you were I come from in another tread about "the war" the country that built Lancaster Bombers. Then perhaps you should refrain from putting the boot in regarding UK special forces...🤔 1 2 1
johng Posted March 11 Posted March 11 8 minutes ago, transam said: Then perhaps you should refrain from putting the boot in regarding UK special forces...🤔 Not at all, Just because I come from that country doesn't mean I have to agree with everything the "special forces" do , I can agree with some of what they do and be uncomfortable with some of the things they do and be totally against some of the things they do and at the same time acknowledging the "special forces" are "only following orders" and face severe punishment for disobedience. 1
Popular Post transam Posted March 11 Popular Post Posted March 11 1 minute ago, johng said: Not at all, Just because I come from that country doesn't mean I have to agree with everything the "special forces" do , I can agree with some of what they do and be uncomfortable with some of the things they do and be totally against some of the things they do and at the same time acknowledging the "special forces" are "only following orders" and face severe punishment for disobedience. In other words, you know nothing but like to scrutinise a service that is basically secret........ 1 1 3
Chomper Higgot Posted March 11 Posted March 11 21 minutes ago, johng said: oh I come from a land down under you better run you better take cover ! no not really, I already told you were I come from in another tread about "the war" the country that built Lancaster Bombers. That particular Lancaster Bomber ( The Mynarski Memorial Lancaster) is at the Canadian War Planes Heritage Museum in Canada. A nation that built Lancaster Bombers under license. https://www.warplane.com/lady-orchid.aspx 1
transam Posted March 11 Posted March 11 2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: That particular Lancaster Bomber ( The Mynarski Memorial Lancaster) is at the Canadian War Planes Heritage Museum in Canada. A nation that built Lancaster Bombers under license. https://www.warplane.com/lady-orchid.aspx Reminds me of Hughie Green.........😉 1 1
johng Posted March 11 Posted March 11 5 minutes ago, transam said: in other words, you know nothing but like to scrutinise a service that is basically secret Yes they are secret so that means everything they do is perfect and should have no scrutiny at all ? 2 1
Popular Post transam Posted March 11 Popular Post Posted March 11 Just now, johng said: Yes they are secret so that means everything they do is perfect and should have no scrutiny at all ? Exactly, only to their team officers or the PM, not Joe Bloggs..........🙄 1 1 1 1
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted March 11 Popular Post Posted March 11 1 hour ago, newbee2022 said: Why then there have been killings if there was no war? Makes no sense. And if these killings indeed happened in their daily job...then it's murder.❗ Let the court decide. They killed terrorists who were carrying out terrorist attacks in both N Ireland and the UK. Their daily job was the SAS. 4 1
Popular Post Patong2021 Posted March 11 Popular Post Posted March 11 3 hours ago, Andrew65 said: It's questionable whether or not the IRA were involved in a war, in the true meaning of it. Provisional IRA described their insurgency as a war of liberation. 1 2 1
Popular Post JAG Posted March 11 Popular Post Posted March 11 5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: Congratulations, you managed to vomit your both your LGBT and your immigrant fixations into a topic that isn’t about either. Says the man who raised the spectre of the NAZI " just following orders defence" PIRA had just driven a digger, carrying a massive bomb (which exploded) in its front bucket into the police station, followed by machine gunning the wreckage with a 12.7mm heavy machine gun. They were ambushed and killed in the response, whilst dismantling the HMG in order to escape. Those are the facts. Not a war crime, not a crime at all. Certainly not murder. 1 1 2 1
Chomper Higgot Posted March 11 Posted March 11 4 minutes ago, JAG said: Says the man who raised the spectre of the NAZI " just following orders defence" I was merely responding to a quote from the OP. Thanks you for remind where I had previously heard that defense. 9 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: The ‘only following orders’ defense. Where have heard that before? 1
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted March 11 Popular Post Posted March 11 22 hours ago, Social Media said: The issue is further complicated by lawyers bringing human rights claims against British troops, a practice that some veterans believe is being exploited. Simm specifically criticizes figures like Phil Shiner, a former left-wing lawyer who was disbarred and sentenced for making false allegations of abuse against British soldiers in Iraq. Shiner, once celebrated by civil rights groups, was found to have illegally profited from taxpayer funds while pursuing these cases. “Without clarity of the legal framework these troops will be operating within, the British public should prepare for more instances of ambulance-chasing, human-rights zealots like Phil Shiner assuming their ‘international duty’ of ensuring that no enemy of this country will die on their watch – under any circumstances,” Simm says. So true. Left wing "ambulance-chasing, human-rights zealots" 1 1 1
Popular Post Social Media Posted March 11 Author Popular Post Posted March 11 A number of your troll posts removed @newbee2022 If you have nothing to add to the discussion other than responding with antagonizing deflection then I suggest you move to another topic. A further post removed for comment on moderation from the above poster has also been removed and now earned himself a posting break. 1 3
JAG Posted March 12 Posted March 12 1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said: So true. Left wing "ambulance-chasing, human-rights zealots" And didn't so many of us chuckle when "Shiner's" little scam came unstuck!
Popular Post billd766 Posted March 12 Popular Post Posted March 12 21 hours ago, transam said: As I thought, you are just anti UK special forces, just trying to have a pop at anything. Oh, and where do you come from........? 😁 I suspect that the only special forces he has met were on the next barstool. The very few I ever met in my 25 years in the military were quiet unassuming guys, and if a fight erupted in a bar they would quietly finish their drink, pay their bill and walk away. They would never brag about themselves or start a fight. 1 3 2
Bannoi Posted March 12 Posted March 12 I've posted this before an account of the actual ambush https://www.forcesnews.com/opinion/opinion-why-sas-didnt-try-capture-ira-clonoe And a bit more information about the SAS in Northern Ireland if anyones really interested https://www.eliteukforces.info/special-air-service/history/northern-ireland/part2/#google_vignette What should be bourne in mind is that this was a coroner's report from a Judge in Belfast Northern Ireland where the vast majority of people are biased one way or the other you can make your own mind up. Personally I doubt very much this will go any further. 2
Bannoi Posted March 12 Posted March 12 23 hours ago, Andrew65 said: It's questionable whether or not the IRA were involved in a war, in the true meaning of it. Not questionable at all as far as the IRA were concerned it was a war. They were at war with the British Army who they considered a foreign army The Ulster Defence Regiment (UDR) that was formed after the B Specials were disbanded. The B Specials were 99% Protestant and were a part time armed special police force formed in 1920 whose main job was to counter the IRA, distrusted and hated by the Catholic Community. And the Royal Ulster Constabulary the police (RUC) who they considered part of the British Establishment even though it was comprised of both Protestant and Catholics. 2 1
Popular Post thaibeachlovers Posted March 12 Popular Post Posted March 12 On 3/11/2025 at 3:54 PM, KhunLA said: Reads like they murdered 4 civilians, suspected of a crime, without due process. Unless they were pointing a weapon at them, or in danger, did they have the right to kill the 4 civilians. What were their 'rules of engagement'. While shooing at the building, did they actually kill or harm anyone ? Were the 4 that were killed, even involved with shooting up the building ? Does seem excessive force was used, along with, the SAS were not in danger or being shot at. ... "The British soldiers fired approximately 570 rounds. Although the soldiers had claimed that the IRA team had opened fire the coroner, who is also a High Court judge, ruled that this claim was “demonstrably untrue”. In his record of the evidence it is stated that one soldier, Soldier H, suffered a facial injury caused by a bullet from a ricochet from a round fired by another soldier. " ... Report of the incident: https://nationalsecuritynews.com/2025/02/one-law-for-them-are-the-sas-victims-of-a-witch-hunt-brigadier-retd-phil-mcevoy-obe-a-former-head-of-operational-law-in-the-british-army-gives-his-view/ Have you served? If not, IMO you have no right to pontificate about men that go in harms way to carry out their orders. In the event they are convicted, expect a decline in the number of men willing to protect YOU. 3 1
proton Posted March 12 Posted March 12 Who dares gets prosecuted, the sate of modern UK, where heroes are villains and the villains are the victims 2
KhunLA Posted March 12 Posted March 12 5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: Have you served? If not, IMO you have no right to pontificate about men that go in harms way to carry out their orders. In the event they are convicted, expect a decline in the number of men willing to protect YOU. Yes I have, and I voluntarily enlisted, not drafted/conscripted. Thank you. Read the link I provided, about the incident in question, and explain to me, why they had to kill 4 people, that were not shooting at them ? They fired 570 rounds, that almost 2 full 30 round mags for 10 people, or 1 mag for 20 people, to kill 4 people. Yea, I think that's a bit excessive. 1 2
Popular Post Bannoi Posted March 12 Popular Post Posted March 12 On 3/11/2025 at 2:54 AM, KhunLA said: Reads like they murdered 4 civilians, suspected of a crime, without due process. They weren't civilians they were active Irish Republican Army (IRA) personnel 4
Popular Post worgeordie Posted March 12 Popular Post Posted March 12 On 3/11/2025 at 3:27 PM, Andrew65 said: It's questionable whether or not the IRA were involved in a war, in the true meaning of it. Irish Republican ARMY ....they were in a war regards worgeordie 2 1 1
KhunLA Posted March 12 Posted March 12 27 minutes ago, Bannoi said: They weren't civilians they were active Irish Republican Army (IRA) personnel Simply calling yourself the 'irish republican army' does not make the military of the govt, in an undeclared war. Freedom fighters or terrorist ... UP2U In my world dictionary, IRA, if killing civilians, you are terrorist. Also doesn't mean, you don't deserve due process for your crimes. I'm going to guess, rules of engagement were, 'shoot to kill ... IF ... fired upon', which they were not, supposedly. Courts will sort it out, maybe.
Bkk Brian Posted March 12 Posted March 12 17 minutes ago, KhunLA said: Simply being called 'irish republican army' does not make the military of the govt. Freedom fighters or terrorist ... UP2U In my world dictionary, if killing civilians, you are terrorist. Also doesn't mean, you don't deserve due process for your crimes. I'm going to guess, rules of engagement were, 'shoot to kill ... IF ... fired upon', which they were not, supposedly. Courts will sort it out, maybe. Civilians or Freedom fighters they were not, terrorists who murdered innocents civilians they were. It was an illegal organisation in the Republic of Ireland and designated a proscribed terrorist organisation in the United Kingdom and the United States. The Real IRA waged a campaign in Northern Ireland against the Police Service of Northern Ireland—formerly the Royal Ulster Constabulary—and the British Army. 1
rough diamond Posted March 12 Posted March 12 39 minutes ago, Bannoi said: They weren't civilians they were active Irish Republican Army (IRA) personnel They were Terrorists, plain and simple, as were their followers. 1 1
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