More Serious About Coffee

[Lacessit]

24 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

I was thinking of sugar

Limited to the sugar in fruit.

[newbee2022]

5 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Limited to the sugar in fruit.

That's fine. Me too 

[Yagoda]

7 hours ago, Jim Blue said:

Yagoda you sound almost human for a change !!!!

How dare you.

[hotchilli]

8 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

They are 740 baht for a 4 cup one, 200 baht elsewhere on Lazada 

For the smaller capacity possibly?

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

All we have to go by are what's available. Animal studies can be helpful or not, as studies on humans are surely more accurate. Long term effects are of course more accurate but Splenda has been around since the 70's and no real evidence has shown any negative results. I've been using it since it was available, as has many of my friends and family, with nothing we've seen to be negative. 

 

Yes, every person is a little different how they might respond to a certain substance, as they are all in a different DNA beginning, and all may eat different things, have different levels of activity and different weights and heights. My brother died at 67 from a heart attack brought on by diabetes, which runs in my family with my son and aunt having it, but no one else. My brother was overweight and that likely is what hurt his health, leading to the heart attack, where he never had any problems with his heart before, as did no one else in our family. My son is lean and exercises a lot, eating healthy, yet diabetes is part of his life now. 

 

All we can do is our best and try to avoid things which are proven to hurt us, which Splenda hasn't been, at least yet. The people who continually live the longest are from the blue zones, and that's the diet I try to follow, at least as close as I can living here. Basically, Splenda hasn't show any real danger especially if not eaten in large amounts. Salt in large amounts has shown to be a danger also, as has sugar, so again it's in moderation that we should live. Some people can smoke cigars, eat bacon daily, sit watching soaps all day, and drink whiskey daily, and live to 110. Others can exercise daily, eat healthy, not smoke or drink, and die at 40 from a heart attack. I have a low body fat, resting pulse of 58, blood pressure of 115/54, and blood sugar of 88, and the only problems I've had are from lifting too much weight for too long (joints), and getting H Pylori living here which has screwed up my gut microbiome because of the meds I took to eradicate it, and will take a long time to fix. Cancer is in my family so I've done what I can to try to avoid getting it but who knows? Studies on animals have helped us greatly over the years..........https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK218274/.

Having a family history of cancer is all the more reason to avoid organo-chlorines. Up to you.

 

Massaging the language of studies to give a favorable impression is nothing new.

 

I remember some compound given to mice, reporting on their offspring. The report said the mice were born "visually impaired".

 

That was preferable to saying the mice were born without eyes.

 

Certainly there are a few people who live to a ripe old age drinking whisky. There are statistically far more that need a portal shunt, or die defecating blood.

[scubascuba3]

31 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

For the smaller capacity possibly?

Same capacity different price, that's why on Lazada you see if its sold cheaper elsewhere before you buy

[fredwiggy]

48 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Having a family history of cancer is all the more reason to avoid organo-chlorines. Up to you.

 

Massaging the language of studies to give a favorable impression is nothing new.

 

I remember some compound given to mice, reporting on their offspring. The report said the mice were born "visually impaired".

 

That was preferable to saying the mice were born without eyes.

 

Certainly there are a few people who live to a ripe old age drinking whisky. There are statistically far more that need a portal shunt, or die defecating blood.

Eating the small amount of chlorine I get from Splenda isn't going to do much, if anything, to shorten my life.  Eating healthy 99% of the time, regular exercise all my life, keeping my weight down , not smoking or drinking much does a lot more than ingesting a tiny fraction of what comes naturally in many things. 

 

No denial that animal studies has saved countless lives but some have their opinions on anything. Basically, you can do everything right and have a short life and do everything wrong and live a long one. Statistically most do better doing the right things, so it's always a better idea to going by time proven ways. No denial that blue zone followers live longer than any other, which is what many follow. 

 

Many foods have chloride in them, like lettuce, tomatoes, celery, olives, many canned vegetables, soy sauce, and many others, so again, moderation of chloride intake. Very hard to avoid chloride, but ingesting too high amounts isn't an easy thing. The tiny amount in Splenda isn't going to cause trouble so I'm only wary of the negative affect it might have on digestion, which also is found in some studies. I rarely if ever use salt or processed foods with high sodium, keeping my chloride level low naturally. I'm leaning towards more Stevia use anyway, just or that reason.

[Cameroni]

8 hours ago, save the frogs said:

stevia has an odd taste, so i stopped using it.

use cane sugar now.  not 0 calories, so need to burn them off. 

 

Agreed, Stevia has a very odd taste.

[Lacessit]

15 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Eating the small amount of chlorine I get from Splenda isn't going to do much, if anything, to shorten my life.  Eating healthy 99% of the time, regular exercise all my life, keeping my weight down , not smoking or drinking much does a lot more than ingesting a tiny fraction of what comes naturally in many things. 

 

No denial that animal studies has saved countless lives but some have their opinions on anything. Basically, you can do everything right and have a short life and do everything wrong and live a long one. Statistically most do better doing the right things, so it's always a better idea to going by time proven ways. No denial that blue zone followers live longer than any other, which is what many follow. 

 

Many foods have chloride in them, like lettuce, tomatoes, celery, olives, many canned vegetables, soy sauce, and many others, so again, moderation of chloride intake. Very hard to avoid chloride, but ingesting too high amounts isn't an easy thing. The tiny amount in Splenda isn't going to cause trouble so I'm only wary of the negative affect it might have on digestion, which also is found in some studies. I rarely if ever use salt or processed foods with high sodium, keeping my chloride level low naturally. I'm leaning towards more Stevia use anyway, just or that reason.

Sodium chloride is inorganic, and ubiquitous in all foods. It is quite natural, our oceans are 4% NaCl.

 

Organo-chlorines are entirely man made. There is nothing natural about them.

 

I can only conclude from your posts you are being deliberately thick. Goodbye.

[gtr]

My wife got us the rok espresso machine , works like a charm and the coffee is super tasty . Very easy to use as well .

[fredwiggy]

40 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Sodium chloride is inorganic, and ubiquitous in all foods. It is quite natural, our oceans are 4% NaCl.

 

Organo-chlorines are entirely man made. There is nothing natural about them.

 

I can only conclude from your posts you are being deliberately thick. Goodbye.

You're saying that consumption of Splenda, with the organochlorine, un natural, is going to affect a persons health . Yes, if ingested in large amounts, this may cause issues, like I mentioned affecting the gut. In the amounts I ingest, they haven't caused any issues, and in every ordinary user also. Some say using no calorie sweeteners have people gaining weight, but it isn't from the sweeteners but the rest of what they consume. Millions use Splenda, Sucralose , in many foods daily, and have not gained weight or had any problems. I'm not being thick but pointing out that Splenda can cause some trouble, especially in the gut, but it hasn't been shown to cause much more in the way of damage to a body if ingested in normal amounts. There are many studies that show it possibly can cause harm in other ways, but many people get more damaging chemicals just from eating normal fruits and vegetables that aren't grown organically. You might be surprised how many things you eat have chemicals in them that are harmful. People have gotten e coli and salmonella from vegetables many times. I have used this for decades, and have had blood drawn many times for allergy tests and studies, and always have a clean CBC. Like I said, it can cause problems, but so can many other things people consider safe. Testing on Splenda has shown possibilities of problems, but they need to continue long term. I'm fully aware there are some concerns, and have been weaning off of it a little at a time, so I'm not ignoring those possibilities................https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3856475/

[save the frogs]

I just noticed a woman with a tiny kiosk selling coffee on the side of the road is using a yellow moka pot. 

[kickstart]

On 3/21/2025 at 12:40 PM, Yagoda said:

I have been using 80/20 Mondulkiri. The coffee dudes told me that Vietnamese use 100% robusta

Vietnam is the biggest producer in the world for Robusta coffee, some call Robusta coffee for the masses.

I much prefer Arabic, coffee, as has been said Samatar coffee is good, I have a nice Columban one, again I use beans and grind it when needed.

Boncafe's Arabica Extra dark, bean from Lazada is not bad.

[scubascuba3]

10 hours ago, save the frogs said:

I just noticed a woman with a tiny kiosk selling coffee on the side of the road is using a yellow moka pot. 

I used to go to a bamboo coffee shop in Wat Yan she had many moka pots going at the same time

[robz]

You find everything on nocnoc: 

https://nocnoc.com/pl/All?area=search&st=Coffee machine&entry_point=Search PL&search_suggestion_index=2

 

If you want to support thai farmers you should buy the coffee here:

https://coffeeculture.asia