34 minutes ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

Get real.

 

 

 

 

 

   Hamas have been known to use ambulances for transportation  and moving weapons around .

   Ambulances are used frequently for safe transportation .

Ambulances are then viewed with suspicion by the IDF and potential enemy vehicles .

   Its not surprising that the IDF open fire on ambulances when they are a potential threat .

  Hamas are at fault for using ambulances as taxis .

Hamas are as much to blame to this as the IDF .

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Its important to also mention that the IDF had just been involved in a fire fight with known terrorists and several were killed .

  An ambulance then approached without permission  and it was then the ambulance also got hit .

   You are just trying to erase that bit and make it appear that the IDF attacked an ambulance for no reason at all 

It’s important to note the IDF have issued explanations that are demonstrably false and then changed those explanations when solid evidence shows up.

 

The IDF have also made a number of other statements regarding this incident for which they have provided zero evidence.

 

I’ve listed, known verifiable facts, you’ve responded to that post with unverified assertions.

 

There is obviously good cause for an independent investigation and very clearly the IDF are not a credible source of information in these killings.

 

 

 

 

Bang on.

 

"Hamas uses ambulances and more broadly human shields for terrorism," said Brian Hughes, a spokesperson for the National Security Council. "President Trump understands the impossible situation this tactic creates for Israel and holds Hamas entirely responsible."

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-military-changes-initial-account-gaza-aid-worker-killings-2025-04-06/

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s important to note the IDF have issued explanations that are demonstrably false and then changed those explanations when solid evidence shows up.

 

The IDF have also made a number of other statements regarding this incident for which they have provided zero evidence.

I’ve listed, known verifiable facts, you’ve responded to that post with unverified assertions.

There is obviously good cause for an independent investigation and very clearly the IDF are not a credible source of information in these killings.

 

 

   Hamas use ambulances for transportation , that is a fact .

IDF had been involved in a firefight with deaths , that is a fact .

An ambulance approached , it could have been a legitimate ambulance of Hamas reinforcements .

 IDF didn't take any chances in this life and death situation .

Hamas are at fault for using ambulances as taxis 

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Hamas use ambulances for transportation , that is a fact .

IDF had been involved in a firefight with deaths , that is a fact .

An ambulance approached , it could have been a legitimate ambulance of Hamas reinforcements .

 IDF didn't take any chances in this life and death situation .

Hamas are at fault for using ambulances as taxis 

The IDF lied about this incident and have made statements for which they have provided zero evidence.

 

The Red Crescent has called for an international inquiry.

 

This is entirely reasonable.

 

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The IDF lied about this incident and have made statements for which they have provided zero evidence.

The Red Crescent has called for an international inquiry.

This is entirely reasonable.

 

   No  enquiry necessary 

Hamas use ambulances as military vehicles and so that ambulance was a reasonable target .

   Nothing more to add 

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Not enquiry necessary 

Hamas use ambulances as military vehicles and so that ambulance was a reasonable target .

   Nothing more to add 

The opportunity to determine truth of what actually happened obviously bothers you as much as it does those who attempted to cover up their actions with lies.

 

 

10 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The IDF lied about this incident and have made statements for which they have provided zero evidence.

 

The Red Crescent has called for an international inquiry.

 

This is entirely reasonable.

 

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1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The opportunity to determine truth of what actually happened obviously bothers you as much as it does those who attempted to cover up their actions with lies.

 

  We have all the truth that is required . 

Gun fight occurring  > Ambulance  approaches > Could be Hamas >Ambulance hit 

Whether the lights were flashing or not is a small irrelevant point 

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  We have all the truth that is required . 

Gun fight occurring  > Ambulance  approaches > Could be Hamas >Ambulance hit 

Whether the lights were flashing or not is a small irrelevant point 

Clearly we do not.

 

The known and verified facts I listed are part of the truth which includes the indisputable fact that the IDF lied.

 

Lying wrt to the killing of paramedics is not a ‘small irrelevant point’, especially when it is the killers doing the lying.

 

You really should have stuck with your fist post in this thread, hatred of the victims is all you have.

 

 

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

You really should have stuck with your fist post in this thread, hatred of the victims is all you have.

 

 

   Could you stop making those accusations ?

If I reply to your  post with those accusations , that will mean that I am accepting those accusation .

  So, please stop making those false accusations   

2 hours ago, Mavideol said:

you must be kidding.... an Israel spokesman said so, they also said no lights, get real man accept the reality and the truth, Israel IDF people are murderers nothing else

Unfortunately some posters on here who support Israel will never, ever admit the IDF are capable of lying. 

4 hours ago, billd766 said:

constant lies and denials from the IDF

Shameless.

 

4 hours ago, CharlieH said:

Germany, one of Israel’s closest allies

If only.

Just now, bannork said:

Unfortunately some posters on here who support Israel will never, ever admit the IDF are capable of lying. 

I doubt very much they care.

 

 

9 minutes ago, bannork said:

Unfortunately some posters on here who support Israel will never, ever admit the IDF are capable of lying. 

What posters would that be then?

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I doubt very much they care.

 

 

Hypothetical assumptions then. Getting bases covered with no evidence

If I said what I really feel I would probably be banned from this board forever.

1 minute ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

If I said what I really feel I would probably be banned from this board forever.

So revert to baseless off topic comment. Great contribution

3 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

They were warned to release all the hostages immediately or face the consequences 

 

24 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You really should have stuck with your fist post in this thread, hatred of the victims is all you have.

 

 

 

   Evidence of a false accusation .

My first post in this thread doesn't show any hatred towards the Palestinians , I just stated a fact .

  So, do stop trying to portray me as hating Palestinians or any group of people for that matter 

  

Interesting, the claim that some of the victims had their hands tied seems to have been dropped. Then again it was by the doctor at Nasser Hospital where multiple hostages say they were held and their untouched medication that was sent from Israel was also found.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/01/palestinian-paramedics-shot-by-israeli-forces-had-hands-tied-eyewitnesses-say

34 minutes ago, bannork said:

Unfortunately some posters on here who support Israel will never, ever admit the IDF are capable of lying. 

 

Its obvious that the IDF are capable of lying.

Its also obvious that Hamas have been using ambulances as transport and this is also a key factor, as is the fact that the IDF had already been involved in a fire-fight.

 

This has occurred in what could be described as the fog of war.

 

Smoke and mirrors - I doubt we will ever know the exact truth.

 

- Did this ambulance contain Hamas terrorists ?

- Was this a genuine ambulance ?

- Have the IDF made a terrible mistake and are now covering their tracks ?

 

 

What I do see in this thread are comments where 'sides' have been taken with refusal to understand that both sides are somewhat 'muddied'.

 

Its difficult for us (onlookers) to know what intelligence the IDF had at the time, if any.

But, its also understandable why, in such zone of heightened alert that such a situation can occur - ignoring this shows the extreme opinions rather than seeking truth.

 

Hamas are still holding hostages.

IDF appear to have made a mistake

The Ambulance 'may' have been carrying at least one terrorist.

 

 

3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Its obvious that the IDF are capable of lying.

Its also obvious that Hamas have been using ambulances as transport and this is also a key factor, as is the fact that the IDF had already been involved in a fire-fight.

 

This has occurred in what could be described as the fog of war.

 

Smoke and mirrors - I doubt we will ever know the exact truth.

 

- Did this ambulance contain Hamas terrorists ?

- Was this a genuine ambulance ?

- Have the IDF made a terrible mistake and are now covering their tracks ?

 

 

What I do see in this thread are comments where 'sides' have been taken with refusal to understand that both sides are somewhat 'muddied'.

 

Its difficult for us (onlookers) to know what intelligence the IDF had at the time, if any.

But, its also understandable why, in such zone of heightened alert that such a situation can occur - ignoring this shows the extreme opinions rather than seeking truth.

 

Hamas are still holding hostages.

IDF appear to have made a mistake

The Ambulance 'may' have been carrying at least one terrorist.

 

 

Unfortunately some posters don't seem to accept the first sentence in your post above.

4 minutes ago, bannork said:

Unfortunately some posters don't seem to accept the first sentence in your post above.

 

Anyone, any military force is capable of lying to protect themselves - I think that is simple common sense to understand that.

 

Its also simple common sense to understand that Hamas are not playing by any rules, ones under which the IDF are being judged.

 

 

There certainly is no moral highground here, but I can understand why an IDF attacked an approaching ambulance. I can also believe the ambulance did contain a Hamas terrorist.

 

People are asking for verifiable proof / evidence etc..  which is impossible when they can turn around and simply say the IDF was lying.

 

There is a lot of heightened bias involved whenever viewing such events - the optics are often highly distorted, particularly by the varying media sources - they are then simplified and dumbed down in discussion forums such as this were bias takes precedence. 

 

 

Its clear in this thread that we have 'some' very anti Israeli posters and some others who are expressing an understand of why and how this may have happened.

 

I don't think anyone is Anti-Palestine, but Hamas muddy those waters incredibly so its impossible for anyone, intelligence forces, IDF, the Media or ourselves to know whether Hamas have masked themselves as Palestinians, and, as mentioned, in the 'fog of war' mistakes will be made... 

 

I'm sure the IDF operated from the perspective that its better to be wrong than dead when mere second are available for decisions to be made.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

8 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Where is the proof?

 

The only reliable evidence is that Israel lied about the vehicles not running with emergency lighting, when clearly seconds before the attack the video recovered from the site they were. A definite War Crime.

He wasn't there, and has no idea what is going on anyway.

 

He has NO proof. He accepts the word of the IDF as is it were the holy grail, even though the IDF change their story every time when evidence to the contrary appears.

 

 

2 hours ago, billd766 said:

He wasn't there, and has no idea what is going on anyway.

 

He has NO proof. He accepts the word of the IDF as is it were the holy grail, even though the IDF change their story every time when evidence to the contrary appears.

 

 

  Nope . 

Going by facts .

Hamas regularly use ambulances as cover and to hide from the IDF and use ambulance as military vehicles .

  Ambulance then lose their protection from attack .

There may or may not have been terrorists in that actual ambulance , but because Hamas has previously used ambulances as military vehicles to transport its terrorists .

   You can understand the IDF not taking any chances  an regarding the ambulance as an enemy military vehicle  and treating it as such

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Anyone, any military force is capable of lying to protect themselves - I think that is simple common sense to understand that.

 

Its also simple common sense to understand that Hamas are not playing by any rules, ones under which the IDF are being judged.

 

 

There certainly is no moral highground here, but I can understand why an IDF attacked an approaching ambulance. I can also believe the ambulance did contain a Hamas terrorist.

 

People are asking for verifiable proof / evidence etc..  which is impossible when they can turn around and simply say the IDF was lying.

 

There is a lot of heightened bias involved whenever viewing such events - the optics are often highly distorted, particularly by the varying media sources - they are then simplified and dumbed down in discussion forums such as this were bias takes precedence. 

 

 

Its clear in this thread that we have 'some' very anti Israeli posters and some others who are expressing an understand of why and how this may have happened.

 

I don't think anyone is Anti-Palestine, but Hamas muddy those waters incredibly so its impossible for anyone, intelligence forces, IDF, the Media or ourselves to know whether Hamas have masked themselves as Palestinians, and, as mentioned, in the 'fog of war' mistakes will be made... 

 

I'm sure the IDF operated from the perspective that its better to be wrong than dead when mere second are available for decisions to be made.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

“People are asking for verifiable proof / evidence etc..  which is impossible when they can turn around and simply say the IDF was lying.”

 

Well apart from the video footage recovered from the phone of a paramedic gunned down and dumped in a shallow grave by the IDF and the actual statements made by the IDF which are contradicted by that video evidence.

 

The statement ‘The IDF lied’ is a statement of fact.

5 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

If the terrorists released the hostages incidents like this would not happen.

If Israel would have agreed to a land swap and a two-state solution decades ago, something the rest of the world has been pushing for (except bought and paid for American politicians, their freeby weapons to Israel, and their thick voters), there wouldn't be any Hamas and there wouldn't be any 'terrorists'. 

 

And there wouldn't be any dead medical workers, nor Israeli hostages, nor Hezbolah missiles, nor illegal Jewish 'settlements' (moslty inhabited by American and South African nutters). And we wouldn't be talking about it either.

7 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Provide it here and evidence that the claim is correct.

You can find it in many newspapers but not the Guardian.

19 minutes ago, Magictoad said:

You can find it in many newspapers but not the Guardian.

And yet nobody has produced any verifiable evidence here.

 

Odd that, don’t you think?!

25 minutes ago, Magictoad said:

You can find it in many newspapers but not the Guardian.

Yes, always with 'according to the IDF' or similar.

44 minutes ago, ronnie50 said:

If Israel would have agreed to a land swap and a two-state solution decades ago, something the rest of the world has been pushing for (except bought and paid for American politicians, their freeby weapons to Israel, and their thick voters), there wouldn't be any Hamas and there wouldn't be any 'terrorists'. 

 

And there wouldn't be any dead medical workers, nor Israeli hostages, nor Hezbolah missiles, nor illegal Jewish 'settlements' (moslty inhabited by American and South African nutters). And we wouldn't be talking about it either.

Surely you are joking. There is much information regarding a two state solution so perhaps you may want to educate yourself! Fill your boots. for example:

https://besacenter.org/palestinian-rejectionism/