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On 4/9/2025 at 4:41 AM, GammaGlobulin said:

Dear Folks,

 

What is happening to this world of Social Media, not to mention the perversion of the English language, that.....

 

These days:

 

There is an increasing number of illiterate speakers of English who pronounce the T in the simple word OFTEN....???

 

What is going on here?

 

If you have been alive for the past few decades, then you might know.

 

For example, even today, Google Translate does NOT pronounce the T.

 

But, then why is this happening, today with humans?

 

....meaning.....

 

Are there just too many non-native English speakers who are diluting, warping, and perverting the English language, mostly via....

Social Media?

 

Every time I hear some weirdo from the "Global South" trying to utter simple words, like OFTEN, and mispronouncing it....I ....

Just want to die.

 

I mean: The guys from the Global South say.....

 

ofTen

ofTen

ofTen.....!!!!!!!!!

 

How many more times do we need to listen to these people before we retreat to a cave, somewhere.....???

 

Because, for sure....

 

The number of these culturally illiterate guys invading our language, warping it, and perverting it.....

Is rapidly increasing.

 

We are losing our entire culture, just through having our English language watered down...all over the world....and

Especially in Singapore, where they speak, mostly, Singlish.

 

What can be done?

 

We need a plan.

 

Best regards,

Gamma

 

 

There are none worse than the Americans for Bastardizing the English language and with social media it gets picked up around the world quickly.  My most annoying example is the ROUT you take to get from point A to point B and not the ROUTE which is to DEFEAT.

Some 50 odd years ago in America there was a TV show called "Rout 66", so they did actually English back then until some idiot thought it should be changed. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Posted
2 hours ago, papa al said:

More Indian people speak "English" than do people from England.

Not the Kings English tho.

Prolly need a not-English name for that too.

Also Singapore,

& ...


You're right.

This topic reminds me that George Bernard Shaw once said that America and the UK were 'two nations divided by a common language'.  It seems apposite in this thread.

BTW, most people think it was Winston Churchill who said it but that's incorrect.

Posted
13 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

So why did you put a comma between "teacher" and "and"?!  In fact, why the "and", at all, instead of  simply, "I'm a teacher from an academic family"?   Guess it's all that academia.

I thought grammar police were banned from this forum.

 

I'm a Science teacher and always like to use as many atoms as possible in my writing 🙂

Posted
31 minutes ago, simon43 said:

I thought grammar police were banned from this forum.

 

I'm a Science teacher and always like to use as many atoms as possible in my writing 🙂

 

Nor worries.

He does not understand Formal Logic, or two statements in Formal Logic, connected by the AND symbol.

If you write the statement logically, and then convert to an English Sentence, then..

One MUST include the word AND.

 

He does not understand this finer point of logic.

 

I am Science teacher. plus  I always like to use many atoms in my writing.

If you are going to connect these two, then one MUST add an and, either in symbolic logic terms, or just use the word AND in a written sentence.

 

He just does not get it.

 

 

Posted
1 hour ago, Donald Bright said:

There are none worse than the Americans for Bastardizing the English language and with social media it gets picked up around the world quickly. 

 

How do you pronounce an internet router, anyway?

Some say rooter or rooster.  Just terrible.

 

Also, what really takes the cake is the fact that Social Media users are creating a language used while texting, and not having full sentences, and that this new language is 

Tainting spoken and written English, up to the High School level, already.

 

In another decade, perhaps this new language will be much more developed, and spoken everywhere, replacing proper English, already.

 

 

Posted
On 4/9/2025 at 6:15 AM, simon43 said:

The problem GG is that YOU are not a native speaker of English.  In England, (note the name - it is where English is spoken), educated people pronounce the letter T in the word 'often'.  I was brought up by my academic parents (language professors) to pronounce the letter T...

 

Those without a decent education will not pronounce the letter T.  That's how it is...

 

GG, you are speaking American, not English.  American is a bastardised form of the original language.....  🙂

Gee, @simon43. I was going to say he must be speaking or hearing some bastardized form of British English.  I know all us boomers were taught to pronounce the 't' in often when we were in school (1st thru 12 & University). I was shocked when I listened to google translate (GT) dropping the T.   GT sure doesn't understand when you speak 'often' with a silent 't'.  It heard me say "off and"...

So, maybe they don't speak the 't' up in Yankee land, but we do in Texas and Oklahoma (well except maybe Rep Jasmine Crockett, cause she speaks wiseass). 🤣

 

How's things in Myanmar?

Posted

Back to GG's nonsense click bate post

 

I'm an Hispanic American, and I say ofTen.

 

But who cares, does it matter?

 

The beauty of the English language is that string words together, mangle the pronunciation countless accents and we all still understand each other.

 

Not so true in my other native language Spanish. Those damn Spaniards and their snooty lisp! 

Posted
On 4/9/2025 at 6:15 AM, simon43 said:

The problem GG is that YOU are not a native speaker of English.  In England, (note the name - it is where English is spoken), educated people pronounce the letter T in the word 'often'.  I was brought up by my academic parents (language professors) to pronounce the letter T...

 

Those without a decent education will not pronounce the letter T.  That's how it is...

 

GG, you are speaking American, not English.  American is a bastardised form of the original language.....  🙂

I'm an American and I pronounce the 'T'.  

Posted
On 4/9/2025 at 4:41 AM, GammaGlobulin said:

Dear Folks,

 

What is happening to this world of Social Media, not to mention the perversion of the English language, that.....

 

These days:

 

There is an increasing number of illiterate speakers of English who pronounce the T in the simple word OFTEN....???

 

What is going on here?

 

If you have been alive for the past few decades, then you might know.

 

For example, even today, Google Translate does NOT pronounce the T.

 

But, then why is this happening, today with humans?

 

....meaning.....

 

Are there just too many non-native English speakers who are diluting, warping, and perverting the English language, mostly via....

Social Media?

 

Every time I hear some weirdo from the "Global South" trying to utter simple words, like OFTEN, and mispronouncing it....I ....

Just want to die.

 

I mean: The guys from the Global South say.....

 

ofTen

ofTen

ofTen.....!!!!!!!!!

 

How many more times do we need to listen to these people before we retreat to a cave, somewhere.....???

 

Because, for sure....

 

The number of these culturally illiterate guys invading our language, warping it, and perverting it.....

Is rapidly increasing.

 

We are losing our entire culture, just through having our English language watered down...all over the world....and

Especially in Singapore, where they speak, mostly, Singlish.

 

What can be done?

 

We need a plan.

 

Best regards,

Gamma

 

 

Both pronunciations of "often," with and without pronouncing the "t," are valid and accepted. Dictionaries like Merriam-Webster and Oxford list both pronunciations as correct. 

Posted
On 4/9/2025 at 6:49 AM, NE1 said:

What pi55ses me off is the amount of people saying Aks instead of Ask.

And hearing an American news reader saying " Unalived him " instead of "  killing him ".

 

Posted
On 4/9/2025 at 6:53 AM, Rampant Rabbit said:

and " haitch" and worse of all skedule instead of shedule its  all a load of skit

Maybe we should consult Professor Henry Higgins. 

 

Posted
2 hours ago, farangkinok said:

Google Translate is overrated. It is quite inadequate at translating English to Thai or Thai to English. 

 

It has become excellent at pronunciation, these days, including pronunciations in various parts of the world.

 

For American English, the T is NOT pronounced on Google Translate.

 

The reason is frequency of pronunciations.

 

And, some dictionaries show that the T-less pronunciation is much more frequently used by refined speakers in the USA.

 

I have no idea what they do in the UK.

And, I presume that the UK is becoming more like Singapore, these days.

 

 

 

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Posted
On 4/9/2025 at 5:32 PM, Sir Dude said:

Blame Noel Webster, he's the one who led Americans away from how to speak English properly... in favour of "American" English, as there is no such thing as "British" English, it's just English.

what do they speak on the isle of mann.?

Posted
On 4/9/2025 at 12:37 AM, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Well, if you know so much about English...

 

Then, do tell me....

 

What color is:

 

a. A nut-brown bowl

b. Nut-brown hair

 

What color is this in proper English, anyway?

 

We often hear about Nut-Brown this, or that.

But, what, exactly is the color Nut-Brown, anyway, as applied to a bowl or a woman's hair....?

 

We never say Nut-Brown in America.

I guess you know.

 

I think it must be the Irish who say this, most.

 

 

It's colour....

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