Please don't tell me that you pronounce the 'T' in "often"... Or, do you?

[rough diamond]

1 hour ago, Rampant Rabbit said:

I dont pronounce the w in anker

I wonder who you are describing?

[1FinickyOne]

4 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

pronounce the T in the simple word OFTEN....???

 

I might sometimes, but not off-ten

[simon43]

2 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

You seem to be very proud of telling that the UK English is far superior and the right one again. Please consider the information below, and you will find that your real English did not even originate in your precious country:

English is a West Germanic language that originated from Ingvaeonic languages brought to Britain in the mid-5th to 7th centuries AD by Anglo-Saxon migrants from what is now northwest Germany, southern Denmark and the Netherlands. The Anglo-Saxons settled in the British Isles from the mid-5th century and came to dominate the bulk of southern Great Britain. Their language originated as a group of Ingvaeonic languages which were spoken by the settlers in England and southern and eastern Scotland in the early Middle Ages, displacing the Celtic languages, and, possibly, British Latin, that had previously been dominant.

I'm a teacher, and from an academic family.  Don't assume that my knowledge of the English language is as 'basic' as yours.  Of course I know the origins of the English language!  Your quote fails to mention that a vast number of words used in modern-day English stem from French and Latin words, (updated post to credit KannikaP for this point).

 

I made no comment in my OP about written 'American'.  I merely commented on the pronunciation of a specific word in US English.  It's a bit like their inability to correctly pronounce the letter 'o', as in 'hot'.  It's not 'hart', it's hot!

[Gottfrid]

16 minutes ago, simon43 said:

I'm a teacher, and from an academic family.  Don't assume that my knowledge of the English language is as 'basic' as yours.  Of course I know the origins of the English language!  Your quote fails to mention that a vast number of words used in modern-day English stem from French and Latin words, (updated post to credit KannikaP for this point).

 

I made no comment in my OP about written 'American'.  I merely commented on the pronunciation of a specific word in US English.  It's a bit like their inability to correctly pronounce the letter 'o', as in 'hot'.  It's not 'hart', it's hot!

If you are a teacher, then you would also understand development of English language in different countries. The only thing you are stating is that your version of English is the correct one, and all others are wrong or pronounce words wrong. Ever thought about that your version might be wrong or is the arrogance level too high?

[JAG]

5 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Dear Folks,

 

What is happening to this world of Social Media, not to mention the perversion of the English language, that.....

 

These days:

 

There is an increasing number of illiterate speakers of English who pronounce the T in the simple word OFTEN....???

 

What is going on here?

 

If you have been alive for the past few decades, then you might know.

 

For example, even today, Google Translate does NOT pronounce the T.

 

But, then why is this happening, today with humans?

 

....meaning.....

 

Are there just too many non-native English speakers who are diluting, warping, and perverting the English language, mostly via....

Social Media?

 

Every time I hear some weirdo from the "Global South" trying to utter simple words, like OFTEN, and mispronouncing it....I ....

Just want to die.

 

I mean: The guys from the Global South say.....

 

ofTen

ofTen

ofTen.....!!!!!!!!!

 

How many more times do we need to listen to these people before we retreat to a cave, somewhere.....???

 

Because, for sure....

 

The number of these culturally illiterate guys invading our language, warping it, and perverting it.....

Is rapidly increasing.

 

We are losing our entire culture, just through having our English language watered down...all over the world....and

Especially in Singapore, where they speak, mostly, Singlish.

 

What can be done?

 

We need a plan.

 

Best regards,

Gamma

 

 

You are an American are you not?

 

And you are posting complaining about people who are diluting, warping, and perverting the English language!

 

How extraordinary!

 

"Singlish is an accepted "creole" derivative patois of the language widely if informally used in Singapore. Similar dialects are found in many Asian countries, Malaysia, the Philippines and even Thailand! They don't replace "standard English".

 

Having spent time in Singapore, their formal English is way ahead of America. There understanding and appreciation of culture, both Chinese and "English" is also impressive.

 

Singapore is probably the one country I have visited which makes the motto "one country, many cultures" a reality.

 

Some gorgeous women too!

 

[JAG]

3 hours ago, simon43 said:

The problem GG is that YOU are not a native speaker of English.  In England, (note the name - it is where English is spoken), educated people pronounce the letter T in the word 'often'.  I was brought up by my academic parents (language professors) to pronounce the letter T...

 

Those without a decent education will not pronounce the letter T.  That's how it is...

 

GG, you are speaking American, not English.  American is a bastardised form of the original language.....  🙂

I say, @simon43, you must take into account that there is no such thing as American English; there is English and there are mistakes!

[simon43]

42 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

If you are a teacher, then you would also understand development of English language in different countries. The only thing you are stating is that your version of English is the correct one, and all others are wrong or pronounce words wrong. Ever thought about that your version might be wrong or is the arrogance level too high?

English is the native language spoken in England.  Americans do not speak English - they speak American 🙂

[petedk]

Google is not a native speaker of English.

 

Do you pronounce the "t" in "water" and "butter"?  I didn't when I was young because that was the dialect I was brought up in.  Later, I moved to the south east of England and friends at school and people all around me kept correcting my grammar and pronunciation.

 

There is no one correct native English pronunciation as there are hundreds of dialects and to be fair they are all correct.

 

Oh, I pronounce the "T" in often. 

[jvs]

 

[Lacessit]

7 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Dear Folks,

 

What is happening to this world of Social Media, not to mention the perversion of the English language, that.....

 

These days:

 

There is an increasing number of illiterate speakers of English who pronounce the T in the simple word OFTEN....???

 

What is going on here?

 

If you have been alive for the past few decades, then you might know.

 

For example, even today, Google Translate does NOT pronounce the T.

 

But, then why is this happening, today with humans?

 

....meaning.....

 

Are there just too many non-native English speakers who are diluting, warping, and perverting the English language, mostly via....

Social Media?

 

Every time I hear some weirdo from the "Global South" trying to utter simple words, like OFTEN, and mispronouncing it....I ....

Just want to die.

 

I mean: The guys from the Global South say.....

 

ofTen

ofTen

ofTen.....!!!!!!!!!

 

How many more times do we need to listen to these people before we retreat to a cave, somewhere.....???

 

Because, for sure....

 

The number of these culturally illiterate guys invading our language, warping it, and perverting it.....

Is rapidly increasing.

 

We are losing our entire culture, just through having our English language watered down...all over the world....and

Especially in Singapore, where they speak, mostly, Singlish.

 

What can be done?

 

We need a plan.

 

Best regards,

Gamma

 

 

Since when? Australians have always pronounced the "T".

 

But then, we are not as lazy as Americans, who can't even spell the word ALUMINIUM correctly.

[Gottfrid]

4 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Of-fen/Off-ten. Both forms are acceptable.

Is that so? Why the sudden double f?

[Gottfrid]

1 hour ago, simon43 said:

English is the native language spoken in England.  Americans do not speak English - they speak American 🙂

No, they most definitely don´t! America, my friend, is a continent. Time for your free geographical lesson. You have North America, and South America. In North America you will also have Canada. They mostly speak French and Canadian English. After that, you have South America, with a wide variety of languages. So, FYI, there is no language with the name American.

What they speak as a general language in USA, is US English or American English. Something that creates the fact, that you speak UK English or British English. End of lesson. No need to say thank you! 🙂

[dinsdale]

16 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

Is that so? Why the sudden double f?

Of-ten. Of pronounced Ov therefore one f would be ov-ten which is incorrect hence off-ten when pronouncing the t. Thank you though as my pervious of-en is also incorrect for the same reason. Should've been off-en. Off-en/Off-ten. 

[dinsdale]

2 hours ago, simon43 said:

English is the native language spoken in England.  Americans do not speak English - they speak American 🙂

American-English is spoken in America which is a derivative of British English. 

[SingAPorn]

I had a great idea to comment but as it will be considered "off topic" by the polit bureau censors, so I shall not comment. 

 

Backl in the USSR ? as the Beatles would have said ?

[rwill]

So, I guess, Oft and Off sound the same too.

[VBF]

6 hours ago, faraday said:

Leave the sheep's alone...😁

And kindly remove the errant apostrophe!

 

It would be sheeps, but of course you really mean sheep. (The plural is the same as the singular)

[VBF]

59 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

American-English is spoken in America which is a derivative of British English. 

I'm sure you meant to say:

American-English is spoken in America which is a derivative lazy bastardisation of British English. 

 

[Andrewdownunder]

6 hours ago, Rampant Rabbit said:

and " haitch" and worse of all skedule instead of shedule its  all a load of skit

like your mother

[pacovl46]

I do pronounce the t in often and with great relish. I bet you’re also one of these people who doesn’t pronounce the last t in the word scientists and think you’re the sh*t with your fancy pronunciation! 😂😂😂

[faraday]

3 minutes ago, VBF said:

And kindly remove the errant apostrophe!

 

It would be sheeps, but of course you really mean sheep. (The plural is the same as the singular)

Yes dear, I know, dear.

 

"Kindly"

"Errant"

 

It's the 21st Century my boy, not Greyfriars in the '50's....🤣🤣

 

[alanrchase]

6 hours ago, Rampant Rabbit said:

one of my customers used to call it n igger brown she was 98yrs old back in 1990 now the stupid censors here will probably remove this cuz someone is going to take offence bwah ha ha

You censored yourself.

[VBF]

Just now, faraday said:

Yes dear, I know, dear.

 

"Kindly"

"Errant"

 

It's the 21st Century my boy, not Greyfriars in the '50's....🤣🤣

 

Correct English usage does not change due to the influence of the fashion of the day "Old chap"  😊

it is, or rather should be immutable.

[Harrisfan]

Oftin

[tandor]

7 hours ago, Rampant Rabbit said:

I dont pronounce the w in anker

what about the silent 'p' in swimming

 

[Srikcir]

8 hours ago, simon43 said:

American is a bastardised form

I view spoken American English as a free-for-all having no real limits of what can be included or distorted. It's a consequence of extreme freedom of speech. You'll find adoptions of foreign words in English, commonly from the community of the Romance languages (Latin, Spanish, French) and "street lingo."

Certainly written English is more formalized for exactness and compliance for formal publication or presentations.

Hasta con vista.

[Wuvu2]

10 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

What can be done?

 

We need a plan.

The ignore user button works for me 😁

[NORDO]

Always, and it's not to please the Brit King.

[faraday]

1 hour ago, VBF said:

Correct English usage does not change due to the influence of the fashion of the day "Old chap"  😊

it is, or rather should be immutable.

Sir, you appear to be somewhat of a bounder! 

Choose your seconds...😁

[GammaGlobulin]

8 hours ago, faraday said:

 

So, why did you create the thread if you knew the difference between English, as it is correctly spoken, and the American version?

 

 

 

I just meant that there are NO native-English speakers.

I was replying to your comment.