Poll -- Who will cave first in the momentous China-USA trade war?

[spidermike007]

13 hours ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Why would China shut down global trade?  They wanna make money, not tariff the world.

 

Point of the military bases is that the budget for the Pentagon will be over $1 Trillion, and that's excluding military-related line items on other department budgets and blacklist projects.  Costs a lot of money to be the world's dict....i mean, to be the world's policeman.

 

Very expensive to run 800 foreign bases, overthrow sovereign nations, drone wedding parties, pirate other nation's oil tankers.

 

Chine decided to build ports and bridges and hospitals and highways and railroads and industrial parks instead.

 

Well, that and thousands of ships and hundreds of thousands of containers and tens of thousands of factories.

They could shut down US trade if they wanted to. They hold a far stronger than than the US does. Trump is like a little boy playing with fire. He could get severely burned, and take down America in the process. Dumb and dumber. 

[spidermike007]

17 hours ago, Presnock said:

Trump always backs out in any negotiation so far in history, giving away more than he gets for his side.  But at least reading the Thai news lately, they have come to understand the Chinese ZERO DOLLAR trade business as they lost a lot of local businesses to the ZERO DOLLAR tourists only spending at Chinese owned shops and tours.  So they admit that they have to work with the US on the tariff bits to protext their own businesses from the Chinese.  Maybe other countries will recognize this too.  I see news reports that the Panama Canal just got rid of the HongKong company controlling both ends of the canal and that Panama is allowing US troops to help them protext the canal.  What this will mean who knows for sure.

Trump can barely negotiate his way out of a paper bag. And he is a poor businessman. He bankrupted five companies, and 17 others failed. Most of his fortune was stolen or grifted. He is headed for a bruising. He severely over estimates his ability to bring manufacturing back to the US. He is stuck in a state of nostalgia about what the US used to be. Not gonna happen again. 

 

Not making America great, he is too busy making America more  irrelevant. A true, unstable ignoramus. 

[kwilco]

On 4/10/2025 at 3:44 AM, novacova said:

China of course, if Xi doesn’t come forward then China’s economy will collapse and Xi will be out.

China is hyper efficient and authoritarian they have a massive untouched internal market and maufacture a huge range of things America wants (tesla car and Apple Mac for a start.)

US hasn't a hope - they have no industrial base and a market that expects goods at cChinese prices and a growing percentage of the population that want him gone.

[bunnydrops]

Smartphones and computers are now exempt from Trump’s latest tariffs

Did Trump blink again?

[Tug]

On 4/10/2025 at 10:08 AM, Yagoda said:

Thats a garbage in, garbage out answer as usual from Ai

Aww have some self respect for your ilk your hero trump sure seems busy carving out exemptions lmao 🤣 he’s folded allready also I take umbrage at the way the survey was worded it should say  trump not the USA 

[Presnock]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Trump can barely negotiate his way out of a paper bag. And he is a poor businessman. He bankrupted five companies, and 17 others failed. Most of his fortune was stolen or grifted. He is headed for a bruising. He severely over estimates his ability to bring manufacturing back to the US. He is stuck in a state of nostalgia about what the US used to be. Not gonna happen again. 

 

Not making America great, he is too busy making America more  irrelevant. A true, unstable ignoramus. 

totally agree, in addition, he is opening the gateways to BRICS decoupling of the dollar in the trade world.  Saw a clip this AM Japan and China have sold over 2 trillion dollars worth of US govt bonds and have agreed to use Yuan and Yen for trade deals.  Pretty soon, the other BRICS countries too will benefit from Trumps tariffs, including I would like to know HOW it is POSSIBLE to negotiate trade deals with 50-75 countries anything this year as most agreements take years even between friends!  Also note the value of the $ sinking even against the Baht!  

[Jingthing]

7 hours ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

“I think he needs to be removed from power ASAP “

 

By who?  And for what reason?

 

And you claim Trump is a facist.

Trump is a fascist.

By who?

By congress of course.

For what?

Take your pick. 

Why?

To mitigate the damage he's done. It might be the only way.

To get there where congressional republicans would actually do this, his approval numbers overall would need to get to a bare bones maga cult only 30 percent.

 

'It’s already in the cards': Trump impeachment urged by WSJ editorial board member

 

 

[HappyExpat57]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Trump is a fascist.

By who?

By congress of course.

For what?

Take your pick. 

Why?

To mitigate the damage he's done. It might be the only way.

To get there where congressional republicans would actually do this, his approval numbers overall would need to get to a bare bones maga cult only 30 percent.

 

'It’s already in the cards': Trump impeachment urged by WSJ editorial board member

 

 

They need to wait until Democrats resume control of the Senate. Otherwise it's a total waste of time and money.

[hotsun]

3 hours ago, kwilco said:

China is hyper efficient and authoritarian they have a massive untouched internal market and maufacture a huge range of things America wants (tesla car and Apple Mac for a start.)

US hasn't a hope - they have no industrial base and a market that expects goods at cChinese prices and a growing percentage of the population that want him gone.

Youve been wrong about everything else you post. Why not be wrong about politics too

[Jingthing]

12 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

They need to wait until Democrats resume control of the Senate. Otherwise it's a total waste of time and money.

Probably but at the accelerated rate Trump is ruining the country, who knows?

[HappyExpat57]

24 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Probably but at the accelerated rate Trump is ruining the country, who knows?

If the Senate won't make an impeachment stick then it's senseless.

[Yagoda]

2 hours ago, Tug said:

Aww have some self respect for your ilk your hero trump sure seems busy carving out exemptions lmao 🤣 he’s folded allready also I take umbrage at the way the survey was worded it should say  trump not the USA 

What does that mean? If you are spewing more Trump Hate Madness, try to be coherent.

[Presnock]

4 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Trump can barely negotiate his way out of a paper bag. And he is a poor businessman. He bankrupted five companies, and 17 others failed. Most of his fortune was stolen or grifted. He is headed for a bruising. He severely over estimates his ability to bring manufacturing back to the US. He is stuck in a state of nostalgia about what the US used to be. Not gonna happen again. 

 

Not making America great, he is too busy making America more  irrelevant. A true, unstable ignoramus. 

amen to that!

[spidermike007]

5 hours ago, Presnock said:

totally agree, in addition, he is opening the gateways to BRICS decoupling of the dollar in the trade world.  Saw a clip this AM Japan and China have sold over 2 trillion dollars worth of US govt bonds and have agreed to use Yuan and Yen for trade deals.  Pretty soon, the other BRICS countries too will benefit from Trumps tariffs, including I would like to know HOW it is POSSIBLE to negotiate trade deals with 50-75 countries anything this year as most agreements take years even between friends!  Also note the value of the $ sinking even against the Baht!  

Great job Don. How to make America less relevant, lose the support of trusted allies, shrink the economy, lose jobs, raise inflation, and diminish trust. 

 

That's what his supporters hired him to do, right? 

[sharot724]

Trump exempts phones, computers and other electronics from his tariffs on Chinese goods

Winner Winner Chicken Dinner

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c20xn626y81o

[Tug]

3 hours ago, Yagoda said:

What does that mean? If you are spewing more Trump Hate Madness, try to be coherent.

Was several day ago you reacted to some thread with the comment don’t bother me now I’m concentrating on another part of the world……just what would you expect a person to think?to me that particular comment reeks of inter office communication……..so yup have more respect for your profession……kapish?and yup I don’t like trust fund baby’s who insult pows and betray everything my country stands for.

[Yagoda]

3 minutes ago, Tug said:

Was several day ago you reacted to some thread with the comment don’t bother me now I’m concentrating on another part of the world……just what would you expect a person to think?to me that particular comment reeks of inter office communication……..so yup have more respect for your profession……kapish?and yup I don’t like trust fund baby’s who insult pows and betray everything my country stands for.

1. Who is a trust fund baby?

2. Who insults pows (sic)?

3. What is my profession?

4. What is inter office communication

 

Your incoherence and delusions are getting worse.

[Tug]

4 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

1. Who is a trust fund baby?

2. Who insults pows (sic)?

3. What is my profession?

4. What is inter office communication

 

Your incoherence and delusions are getting worse.

Aww ain’t it cute reduced to this kind of lame response 

[3NUMBAS]

Hedge funds forced his hand ,it’s said ,bonds are dead in the water

[IsaanT]

On 4/10/2025 at 10:01 AM, Yagoda said:

I would say a good 80% of the analyses I have seen take that position

The 80% majority appear not to understand the enormity of the issue, nor the personalities and cultures involved in this scenario.

China will not blink first.  China also appears to be selling US bonds overnight from its massive stockpile.

China selling U.S. bonds = higher interest rates, more expensive borrowing, and possibly slower U.S. economic growth — like putting a little brake on the US economy.

Trump has picked a fight with the wrong guys.  China doesn't like being bullied so it appears to be retaliating.  And there's nothing the US or anybody else can do to stop them.
 

[3NUMBAS]

The game-changing geopolitical event last week was the near collapse of the immense $29tn ­market in US government debt, threatening the stability of the American and global financial system and the safe-haven status of dollar assets.

The US president boasted as the collapse unfolded that world leaders were queueing to “kiss his arse”. Twelve hours later, he was in the same humiliatingly weak position as the then British prime minister Liz Truss found herself after her tax-slashing “mini-budget” in 2022. The markets had forced him to pause for 90 days the swingeing range of “reciprocal” tariffs that he announced on what he proclaimed “liberation day”; instead he lowered all of them, bar that on China, to 10%.

The markets sighed relief, but “liberation’” had boomeranged. It was Trump who was imprisoned. He and his sycophants insisted it was all part of a grand plan. Nonsense – he is economically and politically gored.

He dare not risk reimposing the same tariffs when the “pause” ends without risking an even worse US debt crisis. Worse, he has killed the prospect of the rest of the world buying the avalanche of new US government debt that will follow from the

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/13/what-does-china-really-think-about-trump-they-know-about-humiliation-and-wont-take-it-from-him

[Yagoda]

11 minutes ago, Tug said:

Aww ain’t it cute reduced to this kind of lame response 

glad that you copy my phrasing, makes you seem more intelligent

[sharot724]

Pray tell what is left then?

[IsaanT]

5 hours ago, sharot724 said:

Trump exempts phones, computers and other electronics from his tariffs on Chinese goods

Winner Winner Chicken Dinner

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c20xn626y81o

Do we think this is a partial cave-in...?  It's certainly not holding the line defiantly, is it?

Apparently, Peter Navarro (and his alter ego Ron Varo... ) have been sidelined in the White House and Scott Bessent, Secretary of the Treasury (and a rather sensible-sounding chap) is the main contact negotiating international tarriff agreements and advising Trump now.