Is the new 145% China tariff "actually" payback for COVID? Maybe yes?

[GammaGlobulin]

Dear Folks,

 

Some think that COVID might have been the last straw.

 

And now, China's virus has finally come home to roost.

 

I believe this might be partly true.

And, some people might even be happy about this.

 

Or, has anyone forgotten China's pandemic, so quickly?

 

Trump has not forgotten it, or us.

 

Go Trump Go???

 

Regards,

Gamma

 

 

[bkk6060]

Yes.  Seems he feels he lost the 2020 election because of the Chinese virus.  I bet he really hates them.

[Isaan sailor]

I always felt they named it COvID-19 to hide the obvious origin.

[Jingthing]

That's very stupid as it's American consumers and some American businesses that will go bankrupt over this who are PAYING the tariffs. Not China. How is punishing Americans punishing China? 

[GammaGlobulin]

21 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

Yes.  Seems he feels he lost the 2020 election because of the Chinese virus.  I bet he really hates them.

 

But...WHO does NOT hate XI....except his wife, maybe.

 

The man is a menace, both to the Chinese People, and to the world.

 

His own people laugh at him.

 

I guess you know his nickname.

 

Soon, even more people in China will be gunning for him (figuratively of course), when the China economy begins an even more rapid collapse.

 

Maybe, for once, Gordon might turn out to be right.

And this will be great for the world, and for China, of course.

 

 

[GammaGlobulin]

22 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

That's very stupid as it's American consumers and some American businesses that will go bankrupt over this who are PAYING the tariffs. Not China. How is punishing Americans punishing China? 

 

Shipments to the USA have stopped.

 

Maybe you should quickly learn Chinese, move to Shanghai, and become a "GaoJiGuWen", meaning in English...a High-Level-Advisor, for China's new Economic Path.

Because, China is going to need one....

For sure.

BIG TIME.

 

This should have happened back in the 1980s.

But, the US leaders and congress were fools.

 

Now, they know what we knew 5 decades ago.

 

 

[GammaGlobulin]

24 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

I always felt they named it COvID-19 to hide the obvious origin.

 

Yes.

And now, where is the WHO?

Haven't heard from its lapdog leader in a while.

 

Also, the report is now out.

The origin is now out of the box.

And, those that thought it was an experimental virus have been shown to be correct.

This news was quashed from the start.

 

China is COMPLETELY OPAQUE.

 

And, XI must go, or we will repeat this experience in the near future.

 

XI believes he can do anything he wants on the world stage, just because that's the way he operates while he is on his throne, in Beijing.

But, the world will not tolerate any more of his outrageous actions.

 

 

[GammaGlobulin]

I think that what people fail to understand is that governments, especially the USA, never forget.

 

Just recall when, during the Iraq war, the China embassy was attacked by a "stray" missile.

 

This was payback for something that occurred much earlier.

 

Countries cannot afford to forget and forgive, for good reason.

 

 

[Rob Browder]

41 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Dear Folks,

 

Some think that COVID might have been the last straw.

 

And now, China's virus has finally come home to roost.

 

I believe this might be partly true.

And, some people might even be happy about this.

 

Or, has anyone forgotten China's pandemic, so quickly?

 

Trump has not forgotten it, or us.

 

Go Trump Go???

 

Regards,

Gamma

 

 

If you are referring to the lab in Wuhan, the "gain of function" work was funded by the USA - so "the pot calling the kettle black" to blame China. 
As well, the USA played right along with the entire pandemic-narrative, even though they knew only very old and/or sick people were ever at risk from that virus.
We can speculate as to the agenda behind every part of what transpired, but clearly, the USA created and pushed what happened, as much as China did.

[Ralf001]

38 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

Yes.  Seems he feels he lost the 2020 election because of the Chinese virus.  I bet he really hates them.

 

The virus that was orchestrated by the americans !

[GammaGlobulin]

5 minutes ago, Rob Browder said:

If you are referring to the lab in Wuhan, the "gain of function" work was funded by the USA - so "the pot calling the kettle black" to blame China. 
As well, the USA played right along with the entire pandemic-narrative, even though they knew only very old and/or sick people were ever at risk from that virus.
We can speculate as to the agenda behind every part of what transpired, but clearly, the USA created and pushed what happened, as much as China did.

 

So then...

You believe that the virus came from the USA?

China said it might have come from the UK or the EU.

Just show the evidence.

 

And, the poor lab techniques and design were at fault.

Can't China get ANYTHING right?

 

No. They cannot.

They have buildings falling down, all over, too.

Maybe you have heard the news?

 

(This is what corruption at the very top brings...of course...and XI has stolen BILLIONS from China...)

[Rob Browder]

9 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

This should have happened back in the 1980s.

But, the US leaders and congress were fools.

The Outsourcing should never have begun.  Any justification ala the "Sino-Soviet split" strategy ended with the fall of the USSR.  Yet, our factories continued to be dismantled and sent to China - at rapid-speed, after Bill Clinton and Gingrich tag-teamed them MFN (now NTR) in the WTO. 

 

Why?  Because they could pay lower overhead/labor costs, by wrecking the American middle-class.  This was traitorous behavior - completely the fault of OUR govt, which took down the tariffs in the first place, AND the Wall-St types for carrying out the Outsourcing.  There would be trials and firing-squads, if I were emperor of the USA

 

As far as how Trump is trying to "fix" things - a steady, annual-incremental tariff-increase policy would have made life a lot easier on everyone, vs what he is doing.  Remember, in his 1st Term-campaign he promised a 35% tariff on Mexico to reverse NAFTA and bring home those lost-factories - but then, as POTUS, he stabbed us in the back with his NAFTA-II treaty, instead.  One would be a fool to trust his motives. 

 

I hope they are not doing these tariffs "rapid speed" now, because they are planning for a war - but that would be my best-guess.  Also, see how much in T-Bills must be re-financed this year - is another factor.  Yet, the war-machine is blowing MORE deficit-spending - again - Trump says he wants $1 Trillion for the MIC this year.  This leads back to my theoretical reason - war with China.  Americans just voted AGAINST war, but we are getting it in spades, thus far.

[GammaGlobulin]

4 minutes ago, Rob Browder said:

 

I hope they are not doing these tariffs "rapid speed" now, because they are planning for a war - but that would be my best-guess.

 

Yes.

This is a very real possibility.

One cannot have all production located in China, and still be able to fight a war.

And, of course, China has been preparing for war, for at least five years.

Moving factories inland, and so many other strategies.

This is well-known but ignored by US leaders, but not the army, one hopes.

 

So, China production must stop, one way or another.

 

[Ralf001]

11 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

 

You believe that the virus came from the USA?

 

100 % it did, Driven by politics and big pharma.

 

USA used China to launch it.

[GammaGlobulin]

16 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

 

The virus that was orchestrated by the americans !

 

Now that really IS a conspiracy theory, and one which is completely false, of course.

 

[Ralf001]

6 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Now that really IS a conspiracy theory, and one which is completely false, of course.

 

 

False in what way.. do you have evidence to rebut my post ?

[Rob Browder]

6 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

So then...

You believe that the virus came from the USA?

China said it might have come from the UK or the EU.

Just show the evidence.

 

And, the poor lab techniques and design were at fault.

Can't China get ANYTHING right?

 

No. They cannot.

They have buildings falling down, all over, too.

Maybe you have heard the news?

 

(This is what corruption at the very top brings...of course...and XI has stolen BILLIONS from China...)

I know with certainty that the gain-of-function research was funded by NIAID - paid in a contract to "Eco Health Alliance" - after the DOD declined fund the SAME research project, due to their involvement vis-a-vis the biological-weapons convention.  This is all from declassified records.

 

I also know that the spike-protein found on the Covid virus (original strain), with the tell-tale "furin cleavage site," was an exact-match for one developed for gene-therapy purposes by Moderna - patented in 2016.  The paper showing that is here:
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fviro.2022.834808/full

 

Are you suggesting US-Gov "didn't know" about the quality of the lab - or Chinese building practices in general, until after Covid?   The lab's poor-quality was noted by the French who helped build it - warning the US State-Dept years before covid. 

https://dailycaller.com/2021/07/26/france-wuhan-lab-david-asher-state-department/

The USA decided to do the research there, anyway, because Obama had banned the research in the USA (for the most part - some limited-exceptions).  AND, they didn't even use the highest-rated facilities in the lab for that work, per some reports (level 2 was used, vs level 3 or 4). 

 

Corruption leads to all sorts of things, which both separately, and sometimes in a "bi-partisan" fashion, implicate both halves of the Uniparty.  What happened with Covid is firmly in the bi-partisan - and global corruption - category.

 

 

[GammaGlobulin]

15 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

100 % it did, Driven by politics and big pharma.

 

USA used China to launch it.

 

Right.....

Hahahaha!!!!

[GammaGlobulin]

6 minutes ago, Rob Browder said:

I know with certainty that the gain-of-function research was funded by NIAID - paid in a contract to "Eco Health Alliance" - after the DOD declined fund the SAME research project, due to their involvement vis-a-vis the biological-weapons convention.  This is all from declassified records.

 

I also know that the spike-protein found on the Covid virus (original strain), with the tell-tale "furin cleavage site," was an exact-match for one developed for gene-therapy purposes by Moderna - patented in 2016.  The paper showing that is here:
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fviro.2022.834808/full

 

Are you suggesting US-Gov "didn't know" about the quality of the lab - or Chinese building practices in general, until after Covid?   The lab's poor-quality was noted by the French who helped build it - warning the US State-Dept years before covid. 

https://dailycaller.com/2021/07/26/france-wuhan-lab-david-asher-state-department/

The USA decided to do the research there, anyway, because Obama had banned the research in the USA (for the most part - some limited-exceptions).  AND, they didn't even use the highest-rated facilities in the lab for that work, per some reports (level 2 was used, vs level 3 or 4). 

 

Corruption leads to all sorts of things, which both separately, and sometimes in a "bi-partisan" fashion, implicate both halves of the Uniparty.  What happened with Covid is firmly in the bi-partisan - and global corruption - category.

 

 

 

I am not suggesting that what happened did not happen....FOR SURE...!

 

 

[Rob Browder]

13 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Yes.

This is a very real possibility.

One cannot have all production located in China, and still be able to fight a war.

And, of course, China has been preparing for war, for at least five years.

Moving factories inland, and so many other strategies.

This is well-known but ignored by US leaders, but not the army, one hopes.

 

So, China production must stop, one way or another.

 

Note that China does not have the ability to project military power to USA shores - so there is no justification for the USA to take a war-footing with China.  Nukes?  Sure, but that is a 2-way street and mutual-suicide, so not part of the equation.

That said, we also should NOT be financing a dictatorship's military - as we have since the 1990s - with anti-American trade-policy.

 

As to Taiwan - which is at the focal-point (though not the whole picture) - we should try to get the same thing needed for Ukraine - a neutral country solution.  This would involve removing it as a pawn for USA-power in the region, in exchange for China agreeing they may remain independent, indefinitely.

[Ralf001]

2 minutes ago, Rob Browder said:

Note that China does not have the ability to project military power to USA shores - so there is no justification for the USA to take a war-footing with China.  Nukes?  Sure, but that is a 2-way street and mutual-suicide, so not part of the equation.

 

 

I would love for the americans to engage nuclear on the chines or vice versa.

Nowt wrong with mutual-suicide !

[GammaGlobulin]

4 minutes ago, Rob Browder said:

in exchange for China agreeing they may remain independent, indefinitely.

 

You ARE joking....are you not?

 

How well did that work in HK.

 

Nobody, NOBODY, should misread China's intentions, so thoroughly.

It's dangerous.

 

Just repeating past mistakes.

And, does that ever work out well?

[GammaGlobulin]

2 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

 

I would love for the americans to engage nuclear on the chines or vice versa.

Nowt wrong with mutual-suicide !

 

You seem to be forever the optimist.

Such a sunny view you have of our collective future...

Very refreshing.

 

[Ralf001]

1 minute ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

You seem to be forever the optimist.

Such a sunny view you have of our collective future...

Very refreshing.

 

 

I will be dead in 12 to 18 months.... I wanna see the <deleted> show go down !

[Rob Browder]

3 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

You ARE joking....are you not?

 

How well did that work in HK.

 

Nobody, NOBODY, should misread China's intentions, so thoroughly.

It's dangerous.

 

Just repeating past mistakes.

And, does that ever work out well?

HK was a different situation.  The Brit-lease ran out after 99 years.  The CCP then "got it back," unless Britain decided to violate their agreement, and go to war for it.  But, the CCP didn't want to stop it making money (for them), so we got the "two systems" compromise.  But, after the CIA/USAID started running "freedom" (sic) operations there, the CCP said to hell with "two systems" - in the context of the judiciary - and started rounding-up and disappearing HK "color revolution" protesters. 

Two things can be true at the same time - sometimes many related and seemingly-opposing things. The USA's foreign-policy is a force for evil in the world (coups, death-squads, etc), and so is the CCP's ("dash-line" territorial-robbery of its neighbors) - as was the USSR's.  See also, the European colonial powers' actions in their former colonies, which was evil (note: Patrice Lumumba) - but so were the communists who opposed them. 

 

Both "sides" pretend they support freedom, regularly kill anyone "good" - those who care about the interests of their own people/nation - when they won't "play ball" with them.  Picking one or the other "side" usually means you have to ignore 1/2 of the lies and atrocities. 

[GammaGlobulin]

Everybody always says:  I want no more garbage from China.

 

Now, people are getting just what they wished for.

 

Everyone should be happy....!!!

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-8a4wD0Udg

[Ralf001]

10 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Everybody always says:  I want no more garbage from China.

 

Now, people are getting just what they wished for.

 

Everyone should be happy....!!!

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-8a4wD0Udg

USA exists on garbage from China.

[GammaGlobulin]

1 minute ago, Ralf001 said:

USA exists on garbage from China.

 

But they SAY that they do not like it.

So, now is the chance to kick the habit.

 

They should be jumping for joy.

 

 

[Ralf001]

4 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

But they SAY that they do not like it.

So, now is the chance to kick the habit.

 

They should be jumping for joy.

 

 

it will take more than 4 years for the USA to localise production... Trump will be gone !.

[GammaGlobulin]

1 minute ago, Ralf001 said:

it will take more than 4 years for localise production... Trump will be gone !.

 

This is the problem.

 

We are now on a semi-war footing with China, and have been for quite some time.

 

Yet, all we need is being manufactured in China and Taiwan.

 

This is not a good plan.

 

Time to kick the habit, and stop snorting China garbage.

 

Much production can be moved to other countries.

 

And, it is now time for ROBOTICS....BIG TIME....