Trump’s Tariffs: A Chaotic Dream within a Lost Era

[Yagoda]

23 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Yes, why not? It's not like you haven't done it before.

Do what troll?

[mogandave]

5 hours ago, BLMFem said:

When someone plays the "Soros bogeyman" card you know you're dealing with a person of "modest" intellectual means.

Someone playing the Musk bogeyman card makes them smart right? 

 

You can always tell people that are not able to actually formulate an argument, the accuse  others of being stupid. 

[kimothai]

Well, to comment on tarriffs at this point is just senseless. Tarriffs take time to work and the chaos created is normal(IMHO). Those who reject the tarriffs just simply want to kick the can down the road and continue to enjoy the demise of America. I think what is scaring the lefty politicians the most is that if Trump pulls this off they will have a very hard time winning an election for a long time which is exactly what they deserve after the stupid sh*t they pulled at the border. 

[newbee2022]

On 4/13/2025 at 11:46 PM, RSD1 said:

Trump’s sweeping tariffs, now standing at 20% on most imports and up to 145% on Chinese goods, are meant to revive American manufacturing by making foreign products costlier and enticing firms to build factories in the US. But this plan is flawed and already buckling under economic pressure, cultural shifts, and Trump’s unpredictable leadership. Instead of bringing jobs and growth, it looks set to punish consumers and drive away investment.

 

Prices are rising for basics like coffee, clothing, and many electronics, adding anywhere from $1,300 to $3,800 average a year to household budgets. By 2026, inflation could jump up another 1.5% from these tariffs, while tariff retaliation from China and Canada threatens 740,000 US jobs and could shave 1.3% off American GDP. 

 

Farmers are already taking a hit, too. China’s 125% tariffs on US soybean and pork exports to China are crushing rural exporters and pushing grocery prices even higher. Yet Trump still banks on a fantasy that Americans will return to factory floors and companies will risk investing billions on building plants in the US.

 

But the economy has moved on. Services now make up 80% of American GDP, and manufacturing jobs, once 30% of employment in 1970, are down to just 8%. These jobs offer low wages, tough conditions, and little growth potential. Most workers who would be filling those types of jobs now lean toward tech, retail, or gig jobs. Automation cuts factory worker roles even further, weakening Trump’s nostalgic vision. And a new factory can cost up to $10 billion to build, a bet most CEOs will not take lightly. His constant policy reversals only add to the confusion. In 2018, tariff uncertainty froze $40 billion in new project investments. Now, US investment could drop another 15%-20%, with companies eyeing more stable countries like Singapore or Mexico.

 

Corruption rumors make it worse. Exemptions may favor Trump donors or his international real estate partners, tilting the market. Small importers get crushed. Big firms may shift billions to fairer systems in the EU or India. Voters expected jobs and cheaper goods, but rising prices and favoritism have left many already feeling burned.

 

So what happens if Trump's dream of American manufacturing glory just no longer fits the reality of a modern economy?

He's an old man, lives in the past.

These manufacturing jobs do not exist in US and will not come back. Only some people in the rust belt are weeping.

Global trade connections and supply chains are well established and working.

There will be hardly nobody in US to swing a hammer or sit 8 hrs at the sewing machine.

Tariffs as Trump try to implement are a forerunner for the next war. The hegemon to be will be defeated.

 

[spidermike007]

On 4/13/2025 at 3:54 PM, Cameroni said:

Oh my God! Trump didn't realise services make up 80% of the economy, but thank God RSD1 spotted this obscure fact, being smarter than all of us, including Donald Trump. This is excellent news. Will you now be called to the White House as economic advisor RSD1 to correct economic policy? Please update us how you get on in the White House.

Absolutely not, the last thing in the world that Trump wants as an advisor is someone who has a rational mind, and is very well informed, with quite a bit of common sense.

 

Those are qualities to be avoided at all costs. 

[spidermike007]

Trump is living in an alternate dream world, reminiscing about a bygone era which is not surprising for a man of his advanced years. The fact that nostalgia is getting the best of him is tragic, considering how much damage he's doing. 

[Digitalbanana]

42 minutes ago, kimothai said:

Those who reject the tarriffs just simply want to kick the can down the road and continue to enjoy the demise of America.

Lol! The US has 5% of the worlds population and 30% of its GDP. Who is ripping who off?

[Luuk Chaai]

44 minutes ago, kimothai said:

Well, to comment on tarriffs at this point is just senseless. Tarriffs take time to work and the chaos created is normal(IMHO). Those who reject the tarriffs just simply want to kick the can down the road and continue to enjoy the demise of America. I think what is scaring the lefty politicians the most is that if Trump pulls this off they will have a very hard time winning an election for a long time which is exactly what they deserve after the stupid sh*t they pulled at the border. 

he should have kicked the tariffs in on day one !

Almost all of the funds my accts dropped are back in place ..    in the mean time     

 More than 75 countries have reached out to the White House to negotiate trade deals, 

Chinese small businesses brought to a standstill by Trump's tariffs

"We have stopped production already," "All the products are in the warehouse."

 

GOOD .. GOOD ...AND REALLY GOOD !

[MichaelJackson]

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Be polite and respectful to other users. Avoid flaming, trolling.

[Wrwest]

On 4/14/2025 at 5:54 AM, Cameroni said:

Oh my God! Trump didn't realise services make up 80% of the economy, but thank God RSD1 spotted this obscure fact, being smarter than all of us, including Donald Trump. This is excellent news. Will you now be called to the White House as economic advisor RSD1 to correct economic policy? Please update us how you get on in the White House.

I'm thinking there is no danger of any knowledgable person being called for service by the current occupier of the White House. Why? Judging by who has thus far been called to serve.

[Wrwest]

31 minutes ago, Luuk Chaai said:

he should have kicked the tariffs in on day one !

Almost all of the funds my accts dropped are back in place ..    in the mean time     

 More than 75 countries have reached out to the White House to negotiate trade deals, 

Chinese small businesses brought to a standstill by Trump's tariffs

"We have stopped production already," "All the products are in the warehouse."

 

GOOD .. GOOD ...AND REALLY GOOD !

Lucky you. My stock account is down $50,000 from Inauguration Day.

[kimothai]

1 hour ago, Digitalbanana said:

Lol! The US has 5% of the worlds population and 30% of its GDP. Who is ripping who off?

Other countries are ripping off USA!

[rough diamond]

3 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Absolutely not, the last thing in the world that Trump wants as an advisor is someone who has a rational mind, and is very well informed, with quite a bit of common sense.

 

Those are qualities to be avoided at all costs. 

If by some mistake such an appointment was made he would just ignore their advice!

[Thingamabob]

On 4/13/2025 at 11:46 PM, RSD1 said:

Trump’s sweeping tariffs, now standing at 20% on most imports and up to 145% on Chinese goods, are meant to revive American manufacturing by making foreign products costlier and enticing firms to build factories in the US. But this plan is flawed and already buckling under economic pressure, cultural shifts, and Trump’s unpredictable leadership. Instead of bringing jobs and growth, it looks set to punish consumers and drive away investment.

 

Prices are rising for basics like coffee, clothing, and many electronics, adding anywhere from $1,300 to $3,800 average a year to household budgets. By 2026, inflation could jump up another 1.5% from these tariffs, while tariff retaliation from China and Canada threatens 740,000 US jobs and could shave 1.3% off American GDP. 

 

Farmers are already taking a hit, too. China’s 125% tariffs on US soybean and pork exports to China are crushing rural exporters and pushing grocery prices even higher. Yet Trump still banks on a fantasy that Americans will return to factory floors and companies will risk investing billions on building plants in the US.

 

But the economy has moved on. Services now make up 80% of American GDP, and manufacturing jobs, once 30% of employment in 1970, are down to just 8%. These jobs offer low wages, tough conditions, and little growth potential. Most workers who would be filling those types of jobs now lean toward tech, retail, or gig jobs. Automation cuts factory worker roles even further, weakening Trump’s nostalgic vision. And a new factory can cost up to $10 billion to build, a bet most CEOs will not take lightly. His constant policy reversals only add to the confusion. In 2018, tariff uncertainty froze $40 billion in new project investments. Now, US investment could drop another 15%-20%, with companies eyeing more stable countries like Singapore or Mexico.

 

Corruption rumors make it worse. Exemptions may favor Trump donors or his international real estate partners, tilting the market. Small importers get crushed. Big firms may shift billions to fairer systems in the EU or India. Voters expected jobs and cheaper goods, but rising prices and favoritism have left many already feeling burned.

 

So what happens if Trump's dream of American manufacturing glory just no longer fits the reality of a modern economy?

Way too early to judge.

[3NUMBAS]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/trump-tariffs-britain-pharmaceuticals-medicine-b2734142.html

 

 

drugs will become hard to find for those in need

[Red Forever]

On 4/14/2025 at 5:54 AM, Cameroni said:

Oh my God! Trump didn't realise services make up 80% of the economy, but thank God RSD1 spotted this obscure fact, being smarter than all of us, including Donald Trump. This is excellent news. Will you now be called to the White House as economic advisor RSD1 to correct economic policy? Please update us how you get on in the White House.

With the exception of MAGA morons everyone is smarter than Trump.

[Digitalbanana]

4 hours ago, kimothai said:

6 hours ago, Digitalbanana said:

Lol! The US has 5% of the worlds population and 30% of its GDP. Who is ripping who off?

Other countries are ripping off USA!

Appreciate math isn't always a strong subject for some.

[kimothai]

13 minutes ago, Digitalbanana said:

Appreciate math isn't always a strong subject for some.

Ain't that the truth. Just because America has the largest economy doesn't entitle every other country to take advantage. 

[Bundooman]

On 4/14/2025 at 5:54 AM, Cameroni said:

Oh my God! Trump didn't realise services make up 80% of the economy, but thank God RSD1 spotted this obscure fact, being smarter than all of us, including Donald Trump. This is excellent news. Will you now be called to the White House as economic advisor RSD1 to correct economic policy? Please update us how you get on in the White House.

Oh dear ..... stupid is as stupid does!

[FriscoKid]

7 hours ago, Wrwest said:

Lucky you. My stock account is down $50,000 from Inauguration Day.

You've done well then when compared to me. My portfolio value is down even more than Trump's approval ratings. 

[Colki]

Fact from one of Trumps trade treaty negotiators. It took 2 years for the best ever treaties negotiated by Trump with Mexico and Canada.

 

It should not take long to complete negotiations with the other 73.

[newbee2022]

8 hours ago, Luuk Chaai said:

he should have kicked the tariffs in on day one !

Almost all of the funds my accts dropped are back in place ..    in the mean time     

 More than 75 countries have reached out to the White House to negotiate trade deals, 

Chinese small businesses brought to a standstill by Trump's tariffs

"We have stopped production already," "All the products are in the warehouse."

 

GOOD .. GOOD ...AND REALLY GOOD !

Hurrah, the Chinese will not get the Boeing Jets anymore. Well done, Donald. Boeing is only for America. 😂

[spidermike007]

47 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Hurrah, the Chinese will not get the Boeing Jets anymore. Well done, Donald. Boeing is only for America. 😂

He is having great success in making America less relevant and encouraging the world to spurn their arrogance and stunning levels of ignorant. 

[Harrisfan]

3 hours ago, Red Forever said:

With the exception of MAGA morons everyone is smarter than Trump.

Yeah sure. Pattaya idiots are experts on everyone. 

[newbee2022]

33 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

He is having great success in making America less relevant and encouraging the world to spurn their arrogance and stunning levels of ignorant. 

You're right. But who is to stop him?

Or do we have to wait for a dissolution of this precious Govt or a natural end or midterms? Or an impeachment? Or civil war?

Everything possible.

Maybe Trump has to read the whole story of McKinley's tariffs.

The end was lifting the tariffs and have trade treaties.

The next day he was assassinated.

[PuiPuiHarry]

The US citizens choose for him, so they will reap the revenues of this election. Seen the many years before, everybody should have know, where they were voting for.

[PuiPuiHarry]

2 hours ago, FriscoKid said:

Lucky you. My stock account is down $50,000 from Inauguration Day.
You've done well then when compared to me. My portfolio value is down even more than Trump's approval ratings. 

Happy you all US citizens: with all these factories returning back to the USA, you will have jobs till deep in your 80's 

[kwilco]

A new analysis from Goldman Sachs reveals that Donald Trump's  policies could cost the United States a staggering $90 billion in lost tourism and export revenue.
And there’s more!
Tourism has been crumbling as Trump shreds America's global reputation and his border agents continue to detain, terrorize, and deport innocent people. Reports of Europeans being improperly held for weeks have terrified tourists.
Last month, tourism plummeted 10% from the prior year with a 14% dip from the United Kingdom, 27% from Ireland, 28% from Germany, and 34% from Denmark.
Canadian flight reservations for the summer season have dropped by an astonishing 70% — directly impacting American businesses and vendors that rely on tourism. Some hotels are reporting an overall 25% drop in bookings from Europeans.
In addition to fears about traveling to the increasingly authoritarian United States, many foreigners are choosing to boycott and spend their money elsewhere. Trump's tariffs and hateful rhetoric have destroyed our national image.
According to Goldman Sachs, some $20 billion in retail spending from international visitors will evaporate into thin air. Coupled with the tariffs and the skyrocketing cost of goods, this all amounts to mass economic suffering for the American people.
In the worst case scenario Goldman Sachs estimates a massive 0.3% hit to the GDP, roughly $90 billion.
Trump's so-called Golden Age is turning out to be a new Dark Age.

 

DP Trumby "I want tariffs.....what is a tariff?

[kwilco]

1 hour ago, newbee2022 said:

Hurrah, the Chinese will not get the Boeing Jets anymore. Well done, Donald. Boeing is only for America. 😂

nobody is getting Boeing Jets - the company is stuffed! and has been for several years now.

[Harrisfan]

8 minutes ago, kwilco said:

A new analysis from Goldman Sachs reveals that Donald Trump's  policies could cost the United States a staggering $90 billion in lost tourism and export revenue.
And there’s more!
Tourism has been crumbling as Trump shreds America's global reputation and his border agents continue to detain, terrorize, and deport innocent people. Reports of Europeans being improperly held for weeks have terrified tourists.
Last month, tourism plummeted 10% from the prior year with a 14% dip from the United Kingdom, 27% from Ireland, 28% from Germany, and 34% from Denmark.
Canadian flight reservations for the summer season have dropped by an astonishing 70% — directly impacting American businesses and vendors that rely on tourism. Some hotels are reporting an overall 25% drop in bookings from Europeans.
In addition to fears about traveling to the increasingly authoritarian United States, many foreigners are choosing to boycott and spend their money elsewhere. Trump's tariffs and hateful rhetoric have destroyed our national image.
According to Goldman Sachs, some $20 billion in retail spending from international visitors will evaporate into thin air. Coupled with the tariffs and the skyrocketing cost of goods, this all amounts to mass economic suffering for the American people.
In the worst case scenario Goldman Sachs estimates a massive 0.3% hit to the GDP, roughly $90 billion.
Trump's so-called Golden Age is turning out to be a new Dark Age.

The same guys who caused the gfc