The leftist wokes love to use the terms of "conspiracy", "populism" and similar when apolitical people speak out, shake the coconut tree and speak out of the box that usually goes in total contradiction to the regular absurd discourse of the leftist environmental socialistic woke types, who all love their iphones, Mac's and fly for 4 to 8 hours just to see a Taylor Swift mascarade. 

12 minutes ago, transam said:

And you, carrying a virus has been proven, eh.......

I still don't know what you are on about buddy.

 

As far as viruses go; I'll give you my view.

 

A virus is not found in nature. In living beings it is only evident when a cell dies. But even then, it is undisguisable from other cell and tissue debris. My thoughts are that it aids the elimination of dead/dying cells and tissue. One thing's for sure. They cannot cause harm and do not make a person, or animal, sick.

 

Hope that helps you Trans buddy.

10 hours ago, kwilco said:

• They radicalise people.
When “the government is lying” turns into “the government is the enemy”, it’s a short hop to extremism, harassment, and violence.
(We’ve already seen this globally.)

 

Yes, I agree with this.

This is a big problem with conspiracies.

That's one reason I eased up on looking into conspiracies many years ago.

But it still doesn't mean conspiracies don't exist.

It's just that it may be harmful to focus too much on them. 

 

 

33 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

I still don't know what you are on about buddy.

 

As far as viruses go; I'll give you my view.

 

A virus is not found in nature. In living beings it is only evident when a cell dies. But even then, it is undisguisable from other cell and tissue debris. My thoughts are that it aids the elimination of dead/dying cells and tissue. One thing's for sure. They cannot cause harm and do not make a person, or animal, sick.

 

Hope that helps you Trans buddy.

No it doesn't, you can give the Herpes Simplex virus that YOU carry to children, you can pass it on, yes or no..........?  🤫

10 hours ago, kwilco said:

They destroy trust in science.
Decades of research and evidence get tossed aside because someone with poor lighting and a whiteboard says they’ve “done the maths.”

 

Unfortunately, science can be corrupt because it's tied to $$$ and political agendas. Must suck being so naive that you don't understand this. 

Name one industry that isn't corrupt. What industry did you work in? Everything was on the up and up? Or did they cut corners? 

 

Not all science is corrupt. Some science is reliable, some isn't.

But you practically need a Phd to decipher most scientific papers.

 

Global warming is so complex that the science can easily be faked. Or the average person cannot decipher it. 

 

Also, I see a bunch of scientists and doctors debating about science online all the time. So science is not black and white, even if it isn't deliberate corruption. 

 

4 minutes ago, transam said:

No it doesn't, you can give the Herpes Simplex virus that YOU carry to children, you can pass it on, yes or no..........?  🤫

Nonsense Trans buddy. No you can't is the short answer.

 

Who is whispering this monumental garbage in yer ears?

 

Did you not read my last post? Viruses are not found in nature.

1 minute ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Nonsense Trans buddy. No you can't is the short answer.

 

Who is whispering this monumental garbage in yer ears?

 

Did you not read my last post? Viruses are not found in nature.

This just shows how stupid you are, or you're on a wind-up, the virus you carry can be passed on to children, and you know it......🤥

Google it, pages proving you wrong....😆

Just now, transam said:

This just shows how stupid you are, or you're on a wind-up, the virus you carry can be passed on to children, and you know it......🤥

Google it, pages proving you wrong....😆

I don't agree with you Trans Sir.

 

There are reasons for cold sores and crotch rashes. Nothing to do with any make believe virus.

48 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

A virus is not found in nature. In living beings it is only evident when a cell dies. But even then, it is undisguisable from other cell and tissue debris. My thoughts are that it aids the elimination of dead/dying cells and tissue. One thing's for sure. They cannot cause harm and do not make a person, or animal, sick.

Sorry Trans; my bad. indistinguishable not undisguisable. I'm sure you spotted the error. 

Just now, Stiddle Mump said:

I don't agree with you Trans Sir.

 

There are reasons for cold sores and crotch rashes. Nothing to do with any make believe virus.

Sorry Trans; my bad. indistinguishable not undisguisable. I'm sure you spotted the error. 

So you are saying you cannot pass on your Herpes Simplex virus to children, if no, post a link from someone who is not crackers, as you seem to be, with an explanation....🤫

10 hours ago, kwilco said:

They destroy trust in science.
Decades of research and evidence get tossed aside because someone with poor lighting and a whiteboard says they’ve “done the maths.”

 

In fact, you can find many examples if you go on Youtube of doctors and Phd guys picking apart scientific papers and pointing out their flaws.

 

And it's not because they are conspiracy theorists. 

 

2 minutes ago, transam said:

So you are saying you cannot pass on your Herpes Simplex virus to children, if no, post a link from someone who is not crackers, as you seem to be, with an explanation....🤫

Sir! Viruses do not exist in the real world.

1 minute ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Sir! Viruses do not exist in the real world.

 

Geezus man, give it a rest!

 

Just now, Stiddle Mump said:

Sir! Viruses do not exist in the real world.

So you've bottled it, no explanation.

Anyhoooo, you stay away from children, as you reject that you are not contagious, reject the facts.....😬

13 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Sir! Viruses do not exist in the real world.

Here, just for you from the experts, those who know where Herpes Simplex VIRUS came from, not you, someone who cannot back up his diatribe with facts........🤫

 

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4137711/

4 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

Speaking of which, another step in the right direction:

 

Yes, but it's your opinion that the end goal is to get rid of ALL vaccines.

I don't think it's heading in that direction. 

 

2 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Removing mandates as was recently announced in Florida (i.e. parents having the option to exercise their fundamental rights and refuse vaccinations for their children if they wish to, without the Institutional Wrath of the Gods coming down on them) will be a satisfactory milestone for me.

Anyone who refuses a vax to protect their children should sign a waver, then if the child/children go down with whatever the vax was for, they should be made accountable.......😒

14 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Removing mandates as was recently announced in Florida (i.e. parents having the option to exercise their fundamental rights and refuse vaccinations for their children if they wish to, without the Institutional Wrath of the Gods coming down on them) will be a satisfactory milestone for me.

 

Do any other countries have this? ie option to opt out of kids vaccines.

6 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

Do any other countries have this? ie option to opt out of kids vaccines.

 

I did a search and answered the question with AI;

 

So it may necessitate home schooling because the unvaccinated kids will not be allowed in schools. 

 

3 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

Do any other countries have this? ie option to opt out of kids vaccines.

Uk, Island, Israel and Norway is among those who it is recommended, but still Norway have a high percentage of vaccines for babies. 95-97 percentage 

 

1 minute ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Thailand still relatively respects parental sovereignty, I was never asked for proof of any vaccination for my son, at school or anywhere.

 

In the Great Free Democracy of France (my home country), refusing to vaccinate your child means they can't go to school and social services are immediately on your case. The UK is similar, my sister got an official exemption for her son after he had a very bad adverse reaction, but the NHS still regularly harasses her, chastises her and tries to make her feel guilty for not submitting to the Vaccine Dogma.

 

Those are the only three countries I can talk about.

 

Examples of Countries with Non-Mandatory/Recommended Policies:

• United Kingdom (UK): Vaccinations are strongly recommended by the NHS but not compulsory; high uptake is driven by trust and recommendation, not law.
• Norway: Follows a liberal democratic approach, strongly recommending vaccines but generally avoiding mandates, relying on citizen trust in the health system.
• Ireland: Vaccination is strongly advised by the Department of Health but not compulsory.
• Israel: Does not have mandatory childhood vaccinations, instead focusing on recommendations.
• Iceland: In some reports, has been noted as a country where vaccination is neither mandated nor strongly recommended. 

Just now, rattlesnake said:

It is, for all intents and purposes, a cult.

 

Anti-vaxxers are not a cult ?

 

You claim that all vaxxes are completely unnecessary and all incidents of polio, measles are either non-existent or harmless or non-contagious.

 

Those are some bold claims akin to the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

 

1 minute ago, save the frogs said:

Anti-vaxxers are not a cult ?

 

Do antivaxxers persecute or harass people who don't share their beliefs?

They couldn't care less about what other people do so no, it isn't a cult, just a group of various people who refute the current medical doxa and suffer serious consequences for their insubordination.

 

The defining characteristic of a cult is hostility towards those who don't comply.

3 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

Do antivaxxers persecute or harass people who don't share their beliefs?

 

If you couldnt care less, why are you starting vaccine threads every 48 hours?

 

It's in your best interest to recruit as many people as possible to your point of view because there is strength in numbers. 

 

4 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

If you couldnt care less, why are you starting vaccine threads every 48 hours?

 

It's in your best interest to recruit as many people as possible to your point of view because there is strength in numbers. 

 

 

I said antivaxxers generally don't care whether other people choose to vaccinate their kids or not, and therefore cannot be defined as a cult in the sense that they don't dictate – or strive to dictate – what other people should do or think.

 

The prevalence of vaccine threads on this forum simply reflects the current general sentiment of wariness towards the pharmaceutical industry. Covid pushed the pendulum very far in one direction and it is now swinging back in the opposite direction with equal force.

38 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Uk, Island, Israel and Norway is among those who it is recommended, but still Norway have a high percentage of vaccines for babies. 95-97 percentage 

 

Examples of Countries with Non-Mandatory/Recommended Policies:

• United Kingdom (UK): Vaccinations are strongly recommended by the NHS but not compulsory; high uptake is driven by trust and recommendation, not law.
• Norway: Follows a liberal democratic approach, strongly recommending vaccines but generally avoiding mandates, relying on citizen trust in the health system.
• Ireland: Vaccination is strongly advised by the Department of Health but not compulsory.
• Israel: Does not have mandatory childhood vaccinations, instead focusing on recommendations.
• Iceland: In some reports, has been noted as a country where vaccination is neither mandated nor strongly recommended. 

 

> In Belgium (my home-country) as of 2025, only the polio vaccine is mandatory by law for children. 

Belgian law (dating from 1966) requires all children residing in Belgium to be vaccinated against poliomyelitis. Proof of vaccination must be submitted to the local municipal administration, typically before the child’s 18th month. Failure to do so technically exposes parents to legal sanctions, though in practice, enforcement is rare today.

1 hour ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Sure, no problem. Anything else?

No, oh, is Herpes simplex a virus that can be passed on via contact, the others have bailed out on the question...?  🤫

23 minutes ago, transam said:

No, oh, is Herpes simplex a virus that can be passed on via contact, the others have bailed out on the question...?  🤫

Passed on by contact with the oozing blisters which appear once or twice a year.

No oozing blisters = no passing on.

 

"HSV causes fluid-filled blisters that break open and crust over wherever the infection is. This is known as a herpes outbreak. But it's also possible to have no symptoms and not realize you're infected."

9 minutes ago, transam said:

No, oh, is Herpes simplex a virus that can be passed on via contact, the others have bailed out on the question...?  🤫

 

If you sleep with someone who obviously has questionable hygiene and/or health, you are more likely to have problems yourself. However, if your own terrain is healthy, you are far less likely to have severe problems. Some stuff can be transmitted from one living organism to another, that much I am certain of through experience.

I used to subscribe to the viral paradigm, under which our body is a fortress to be defended against tiny enemies attacking us (commonly referred to as 'viruses') – under this model, our fortress is guarded by little soldiers (the 'immune system') which can be bolstered in a number of ways (including by the 'performance enhancement system' commonly referred to as 'vaccination') in order to fight the 'viral attackers' more effectively.

 

I currently don't subscribe to this paradigm anymore and have shifted to the 'terrain' view of things – our body is a complex ecosystem made of microbes and other elements, and as long as the ecosystem is maintained in a healthy balance, external elements, regardless of their nature, will not present a threat to it, as the nefarious agents which seek unhealthy environments will not stay in a healthy one.

 

“Mosquitoes seek the stagnant water, but do not cause the pool to become stagnant.”
– Rudolf Virchow

13 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Passed on by contact with the oozing blisters which appear once or twice a year.

No oozing blisters = no passing on.

 

"HSV causes fluid-filled blisters that break open and crust over wherever the infection is. This is known as a herpes outbreak. But it's also possible to have no symptoms and not realize you're infected."

Go away, you don't know what you are talking about...........🙄

5 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

If you sleep with someone who obviously has questionable hygiene and/or health, you are more likely to have problems yourself. However, if your own terrain is healthy, you are far less likely to have severe problems. Some stuff can be transmitted from one living organism to another, that much I am certain of through experience.

I used to subscribe to the viral paradigm, under which our body is a fortress to be defended against tiny enemies attacking us (commonly referred to as 'viruses') – under this model, our fortress is guarded by little soldiers (the 'immune system') which can be bolstered in a number of ways (including by the 'performance enhancement system' commonly referred to as 'vaccination') in order to fight the 'viral attackers' more effectively.

 

I currently don't subscribe to this paradigm anymore and have shifted to the 'terrain' view of things – our body is a complex ecosystem made of microbes and other elements, and as long as the ecosystem is maintained in a healthy balance, external elements, regardless of their nature, will not present a threat to it, as the nefarious agents which seek unhealthy environments will not stay in a healthy one.

 

“Mosquitoes seek the stagnant water, but do not cause the pool to become stagnant.”
– Rudolf Virchow

Yes, would have done.....🤗

22 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

I used to subscribe to the viral paradigm, under which our body is a fortress to be defended against tiny enemies attacking us (commonly referred to as 'viruses') – under this model, our fortress is guarded by little soldiers (the 'immune system') which can be bolstered in a number of ways (including by the 'performance enhancement system' commonly referred to as 'vaccination') in order to fight the 'viral attackers' more effectively.

 

I currently don't subscribe to this paradigm anymore and have shifted to the 'terrain' view of things – our body is a complex ecosystem made of microbes and other elements, and as long as the ecosystem is maintained in a healthy balance, external elements, regardless of their nature, will not present a threat to it, as the nefarious agents which seek unhealthy environments will not stay in a healthy one.

 

But it's virtually the same thing.

Healthy terrain or Strong Immune Sytem.

Makes no difference what you call it.

 

Of course a flu vaccine is not the only way to bolster the immune system.

Maybe neither is it the optimal way. 

But it's a simple way. One visit to the doctor and you're done. 

And some human beings do prefer the path of least resistance.

Maybe they like the convenience of just getting that one flu jab compared to all the effort required to keep the body strong enough to fight off illnees, which is hard work.