On 12/23/2025 at 10:25 PM, rattlesnake said:

 

That's interesting, would you mind expanding a little?

Just been looking back and realised I had not addressed your post Rattles Sir.

 

Could I point you towards a discussion on TT a couple of years back!

 

https://thaigertalk.com/topic/15532-ukrainerussian-conflict-general-discussion/page/592/

 

Actually the Atomic bomb topic should have a thread of its own. It's that interesting. In terms of hoaxes, I'd put it alongside moon landings and covid.

6 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

Should we call you Don?

 

By all means.

6 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Just been looking back and realised I had not addressed your post Rattles Sir.

 

Could I point you towards a discussion on TT a couple of years back!

 

https://thaigertalk.com/topic/15532-ukrainerussian-conflict-general-discussion/page/592/

 

Actually the Atomic bomb topic should have a thread of its own. It's that interesting. In terms of hoaxes, I'd put it alongside moon landings and covid.

 

I've just dug into this and it is very interesting indeed. From what I can see so far, you are correct, all the indicators of a psy-op are present: propaganda, footage manipulation, inclusion of unrelated deaths in the tally (where have we seen this before?)…

 

It is very likely firebombing, not atomic bombing, which was used.

 

This 27-minute video sums it up well:

 

 

17 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

The source is the Brownstone Institute.

 

A lot of conspiracy guys are pretending to be on "your side", but they're not. 

 

So they're feeding you a lot of garbage. Doesn't mean there's no validity to any of the conspiracies. But they muddy the waters and cause confusion. 

 

 

10 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

A lot of conspiracy guys are pretending to be on "your side", but they're not. 

 

So they're feeding you a lot of garbage. Doesn't mean there's no validity to any of the conspiracies. But they muddy the waters and cause confusion. 

 

 

 

It is fairly easy to go to the source and assess information independently. Rule number one, never rely on an intermediary for information. An intermediary can be used as a medium to convey a message, but the source always should be checked and read/watched/listened to.

1 minute ago, rattlesnake said:

 

It is fairly easy to go to the source and assess information independently. Rule number one, never rely on an intermediary for information. An intermediary can be used as a medium to convey a message, but the source always should be checked and read/watched/listened to.

Indeed, especially those on here that trash the medical establishment that save lives..........😒

4 minutes ago, transam said:

the medical establishment that save lives..........😒

 

 

1 minute ago, rattlesnake said:

 

 

Don't chop up my posts to suit your dodgy anti-medical establishment agenda......😬

Creep.....

20 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

 

 

Hospitals didn't murder anyone.

 

Your conspiracy guys are feeding you lies.

But I won't keep repeating myself. 

 

8 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

Hospitals didn't murder anyone.

 

Your conspiracy guys are feeding you lies.

But I won't keep repeating myself. 

 

 

There are dozens of whistleblower nurses whose testimonies are consistent. I don't know what "your conspiracy guys" means.

27 minutes ago, transam said:

Creep.....

 

Tense, are we?

17 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Tense, are we?

No I'm not, I just dislike odd-balls like you.........

5 minutes ago, transam said:

No I'm not, I just dislike odd-balls like you.........

 

The feeling is reciprocal. However, the fundamental difference between you and I is that I don't insult people because I don't like what they say.

3 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

The feeling is reciprocal. However, the fundamental difference between you and I is that I don't insult people because I don't like what they say.

But what you say is dangerous to those who do not want to die, so live with it.........😏

19 minutes ago, transam said:

But what you say is dangerous to those who do not want to die, so live with it.........😏

 

The only thing it is dangerous to is the longevity of the belief system you subscribe to.

2 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

I've just dug into this and it is very interesting indeed. From what I can see so far, you are correct, all the indicators of a psy-op are present: propaganda, footage manipulation, inclusion of unrelated deaths in the tally (where have we seen this before?)…

 

It is very likely firebombing, not atomic bombing, which was used.

 

This 27-minute video sums it up well:

 

 

Read reports - some years ago now - that journalists, from different countries, were having their documents, reports, scientific instruments, and any film confiscated, in and around the two cities after the event.

 

The big plan, was to make all countries sh!t scared of the US. The hawks wanted control. They started soon after WW2 setting up military bases seemingly everywhere. And they still there to this day.

 

I have not personally looked into the actual mechanisms of the bomb's nucleus. But others have, and doubt if an 'atom bomb' has ever been exploded.

 

Certainly makes yer think Rattles.

 

And while we are about it 'Yellow Cake' is well worth a butchers. The official line is that it's; a uranium concentrate powder. But insiders know it as basically sulfur. I'll dig out the links for this.

I blame Google. 

2 hours ago, Purdey said:

I blame Google. 

 

They didn't miss it, they looked the other way because they were paid to do so, by the stakeholders benefiting from the issues they were asked to ignore.

 

F.D.A.’s Drug Industry Fees Fuel Concerns Over Influence

 

The pharmaceutical industry finances about 75 percent of the agency’s drug division, through a controversial program that Congress must reauthorize by the end of this month.

 

Funding from the pharmaceutical industry alone has become so dominant that last year it accounted for $1.1 billion of the F.D.A.’s drug division budget.

 

Every five years, top officials of the Food and Drug Administration go behind closed doors to negotiate the terms of its core budget — about $3 billion this year.

 

But the F.D.A. is not at the table with members of Congress or with White House officials. Instead, it’s in dozens of meetings with representatives of the giant pharmaceutical companies whose products the agency regulates. The negotiations are a piece of the “user fee” program in which drug, device and biotech companies make payments to the agency partly to seek product approvals. The fees have soared since the program’s inception three decades ago and now make up nearly half of the F.D.A.’s budget, financing 6,500 jobs at the agency.

 

“It’s kind of like a devil’s bargain,” said Dr. Joseph Ross, a professor at the Yale School of Medicine who has studied F.D.A. policies, “that I think is not in the best interest of the agency, because it turns this every-five-year cycle into the F.D.A. essentially asking industry, ‘What can we do to secure this money?’ ”

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/15/health/fda-drug-industry-fees.html

https://archive.ph/GMBbq#selection-549.0-553.40

3 hours ago, Purdey said:

I blame Google. 

 

I blame Mulder and Scully
The original series aired from September 10, 1993, which coincided with a boom in public access to the internet.
It was from then on that search engines became readily available to the general public through commercial Internet Service Providers 
Sadly no-one told them the difference between search and research and that engines like Google are search engines and not sources.

 

It's ironic that all the science and technology that went into developing te internet was used by people who don't believe in it.
 

10 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Read reports - some years ago now - that journalists, from different countries, were having their documents, reports, scientific instruments, and any film confiscated, in and around the two cities after the event.

 

The big plan, was to make all countries sh!t scared of the US. The hawks wanted control. They started soon after WW2 setting up military bases seemingly everywhere. And they still there to this day.

 

I have not personally looked into the actual mechanisms of the bomb's nucleus. But others have, and doubt if an 'atom bomb' has ever been exploded.

 

Certainly makes yer think Rattles.

 

And while we are about it 'Yellow Cake' is well worth a butchers. The official line is that it's; a uranium concentrate powder. But insiders know it as basically sulfur. I'll dig out the links for this.

Nonsense. I have previously worked in an Uranium mine and processing plant. It was hilarious to see the mine visitors point at stockpiled sulphur and talk about the dangerous yellowcake that thought they were seeing. Idiots.

Sulphur is used in large quantities to produce very strong acid - 99.9%, which is used in the extraction of uranium from the mother liquid. There is the aqueous phase and the organic phase. At a certain pH the uranium will pass into kerosene and leave the impurities behind. At a different pH the uranium migrates into water and then can be dried to form yellow cake. The acid is used to control the pH changes to allow this to happen. The fire protection was incredible, but needed to be when you have hundreds of thousands of litres of kerosene in open tanks.

By the way yellow cake is not yellow , it's green when it is first thickened.

Can someone explain to me that every celestial body that has been observed is roughly spherical, yet the Earth is flat?

13 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

There are dozens of whistleblower nurses whose testimonies are consistent. I don't know what "your conspiracy guys" means.

 

If the moon landing can be faked, so can "testimonies by whistleblowers". 

 

You seem to think only one side is capable of faking anything. 

 

And ... you underestimate controlled opposition. Which could be 90% of conspiracy stuff. 

 

Who was George Orwell? Look up his history. That book was not a warning. It was mind control. 1984 has passed and people are still waiting. And many of these conspiracy narratives are along the same lines as that book. 

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

If the moon landing can be faked, so can "testimonies by whistleblowers". 

 

You seem to think only one side is capable of faking anything. 

 

And ... you underestimate controlled opposition. Which could be 90% of conspiracy stuff. 

 

Who was George Orwell? Look up his history. That book was not a warning. It was mind control. 1984 has passed and people are still waiting. And many of these conspiracy narratives are along the same lines as that book. 

 

 

 

 

If the moon landing was faked, do you believe Trump would honor himself together with Kennedy ? 

 

Do you believe Trump would manage to keep his mouth shut, when he can be the first president to put people on the moon? Think about it for a second? In February humans are going to fly around the moon again, and it haven’t happened since Apollo 17 1972, if that wasn’t faked to 😉 

 

and again would Russian and China accept there was a fake moon landing, when they could bee the first if the race still was on ? 

33 minutes ago, Hummin said:

If the moon landing was faked, do you believe Trump would honor himself together with Kennedy ? 

 

Well, Trump has stated he wants to go back to the moon not just to plant a flag, but to build a moon base. 

Why didn't they do that the first time? Lack of budget? 

Not sure why they would go all the way to the moon just to plant a flag.

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DSbAjPRCFTe/

Just now, save the frogs said:

 

Well, Trump has stated he wants to go back to the moon not just to plant a flag, but to build a moon base. 

Why didn't they do that the first time? Lack of budget? 

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DSbAjPRCFTe/

The moon landings where just driven by the Cold War, competition, and being superior, but for the time being, Vietnam war and the cost of the projects came to a natural end, because at the time there where nothing more to gain by continuing. Now there is a new race going on between USA and China, where China is the motivator and drive, and thats why USA is back on the track 

19 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

By all means.

Well, Don.... 

 

Despite knowing full well your devotion to ignorance about science I've encountered a very good YTube science channel.  Perhaps you'll suffer a momentary lapse in diligence and learn some science.

 

https://www.youtube.com/@veritasium

 

14 hours ago, kwilco said:

 

I blame Mulder and Scully
The original series aired from September 10, 1993, which coincided with a boom in public access to the internet.
It was from then on that search engines became readily available to the general public through commercial Internet Service Providers 
Sadly no-one told them the difference between search and research and that engines like Google are search engines and not sources.

 

It's ironic that all the science and technology that went into developing te internet was used by people who don't believe in it.
 

 

The general public didn't use the internet in 1993. Most people didn't even know it existed.

7 hours ago, save the frogs said:

 

If the moon landing can be faked, so can "testimonies by whistleblowers". 

 

You seem to think only one side is capable of faking anything. 

 

And ... you underestimate controlled opposition. Which could be 90% of conspiracy stuff. 

 

Who was George Orwell? Look up his history. That book was not a warning. It was mind control. 1984 has passed and people are still waiting. And many of these conspiracy narratives are along the same lines as that book. 

 

 

 

 

It is much more difficult to control a lie consistently when it isn't centralised and disseminated in a top-down process. That said, every claim should of course be verified. Up to you to do this verification work or not, regarding the problems inherent to the Covid 'Remdesivir + ventilator' protocols and everything they entail.

 

Controlled opposition is a subtle concept. The centralised power, in a bid to shift the attention and energy of those who challenge its narrative (and ultimately control them), will sponsor a figure or concept (one telltale sign is massive promotion, sudden visibility and absense of real censorship) in order to say 95% of the right things while avoiding the core issue – one of the first examples of this in the internet era was the movie Loose Change about 9/11, which was heavily promoted and funded by the establishment, and available on all major mainstream platforms: this documentary, aimed at the critical thinkers who could see the official explanation held no water, led the viewer to believe 9/11 was an inside job by the Bush dynasty and the oil industry, for financial motives, while carefully avoiding the topic of Israel and Zionist interests in the attacks.

 

Another example, which you mentioned recently, is Alex Jones, an established "resistant" whose face changes over time and whose platform never goes away despite very theatrical "takeovers by the FBI" and the likes, who is on board with every conspiracy under the Sun except for Pizzagate (i.e. elite child trafficking networks), which he says is a fake story and even publicly apologised about, claiming he never should have entertained the idea that such networks exist. He is also an opponent of Donald Trump and never misses an opportunity to support stories and figures which attempt to weaken him (for example, in the 2022 midterms, he supported DeSantis – a demonstrated establishment creature, just look at who funds him – and campaigned against Trump because he was "Mister Warp Speed and therefore Mister Vaccine").

 

Always follow the money and see who someone's stances ultimately favour if you want to determine who is controlled opposition.

8 hours ago, emptypockets said:

Can someone explain to me that every celestial body that has been observed is roughly spherical, yet the Earth is flat?

A professional denier will be along shortly to assist you.

1 hour ago, gamb00ler said:

Well, Don.... 

 

Despite knowing full well your devotion to ignorance about science I've encountered a very good YTube science channel.  Perhaps you'll suffer a momentary lapse in diligence and learn some science.

 

https://www.youtube.com/@veritasium

 

 

I will check it out.