International Students Face Sudden Visa Revocations via email and told to self deport

[josephbloggs]

2 minutes ago, anotherexpat4444 said:

if you want to protest go to your own country and protest as much as you want .  

So "if you don't like it here, leave". Do you advocate that same line of thought here?

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

So "if you don't like it here, leave". Do you advocate that same line of thought here?

Is he protesting here?

[josephbloggs]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Is he protesting here?

I know you are but what am I?

That is the extent of your argument. I was asking him if he advocates a similar approach to Thailand where, I assume, he lives. You can't wish one rule for your own country and hypocritically not want it for where you live.

So please allow him to answer the question.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, josephbloggs said:

I know you are but what am I?

That is the extent of your argument. I was asking him if he advocates a similar approach to Thailand where, I assume, he lives. You can't wish one rule for your own country and hypocritically not want it for where you live.

So please allow him to answer the question.

Am I? What have I protested about Thailand and why are you deflecting the topic?

[josephbloggs]

7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Am I? What have I protested about Thailand and why are you deflecting the topic?

What are you talking about? I haven't said you protested about anything.

I'm talking to anotherexpat4444. I haven't got a clue what you have to do with anything, so please move along.

[saintdomingo]

7 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

Diversity of opinion, the concept that scares Libs worldwide. 

I'll plagiarise that one if you don't mind.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, josephbloggs said:

What are you talking about? I haven't said you protested about anything.

I'm talking to anotherexpat4444. I haven't got a clue what you have to do with anything, so please move along.

Oh So you didn't get back to me with this then

 

13 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

I know you are but what am I?

That is the extent of your argument. I was asking him if he advocates a similar approach to Thailand where, I assume, he lives. You can't wish one rule for your own country and hypocritically not want it for where you live.

So please allow him to answer the question.

 

[josephbloggs]

2 minutes ago, saintdomingo said:

I'll plagiarise that one if you don't mind.

You do realise the irony? People being deported for expressing opinions. Pretty sure it is not "the libs" ordering that.

[saintdomingo]

I like the expression diversity of opinion, the left in particular talk of diversity and tolerance of race and gender matters but have no tolerance for other opinions. No doubt you see things differently.

[spidermike007]

Whatever you do, do not disagree with the administration's policies, if you do not show absolute fealty you are considered an enemy of the state, and therefore a threat.

 

The US no longer wants the best and the brightest, they are now content with mediocrity and are content with a declining economy, and an increasingly more irrelevant status. Thanks Don. 

[Bkk Brian]

7 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Whatever you do, do not disagree with the administration's policies, if you do not show absolute fealty you are considered an enemy of the state, and therefore a threat.

 

The US no longer wants the best and the brightest, they are now content with mediocrity and are content with a declining economy, and an increasingly more irrelevant status. Thanks Don. 

What such as those policies that say you are not to occupy private property and stop others from learning? 

[spidermike007]

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

What such as those policies that say you are not to occupy private property and stop others from learning? 

There were a tiny number of students who acted irresponsibly and destroyed property, and this is likely completely out of proportion to the number that are being picked on right now by this cruel and vicious Administration, who are undoubtedly highly racist, and very much against the idea of foreigners with dark skin getting an education in America. 

[Bkk Brian]

8 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

There were a tiny number of students who acted irresponsibly and destroyed property, and this is likely completely out of proportion to the number that are being picked on right now by this cruel and vicious Administration, who are undoubtedly highly racist, and very much against the idea of foreigners with dark skin getting an education in America. 

Was there just a tiny amount? Your the one that mentioned policies. What other policies were you referring to, there are lots. So please share the ones they break that make them an enemy of the state. By the way, there were hundreds occupying campuses which is again against policies.

[riclag]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

That does depend on the opinion. Where they express it and how they express it.Read the topics where this has been covered numerous times. Then read the OP to tell you when and why visas can be simply revoked.

Rubio gave orders to check everyones

social media who applied for a student or visitor visa after Oct 7! Read the objective ! If one sympathizes with the oppression of terrorist , they get visas revoked! I support this!

“Washington: Secretary of State Marco Rubio has ordered diplomats overseas to scrutinise the social media content of some applicants for student and other types of visas, in an effort to ban those suspected of criticising the United States and Israel ...

Read more at: https://www.deccanherald.com/world/rubio-orders-us-diplomats-to-scour-student-visa-applicants-social-media-3473201

[Evil Penevil]

 

4 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

Which visa rules are they breaking exactly? 

 

I answered that question at length in another thread.  I'll quote that post at the end of this post. Not all students have had their visas revoked because of illicit activities related to pro-Hamas demonstrations. Many have lost their legal status in the U.S. for mundane stuff like flunking out of school or quitting their courses as well as  shoplifting, drunk driving and other traffic offenses.  A smaller number get involved in more serious crimes like drug dealing, burglary, fraud, etc.  Some of the high-profile Hamactivists like Mahmoud Khalil and Mohsen Mahdawi were found by Secretary of State Marco Rubio to negatively affect the conduct of U.S. foreign policy and he ordered their removal from the U.S. on those grounds.

 

4 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

Don’t they have the right to free speech? Don’t they have the right to protest? 

 

I answered those questions earlier as well.

 

On 4/16/2025 at 8:39 AM, Evil Penevil said:

Again, for what seems like the hundredth time, it isn't a free speech issue.  Mohsen Mahdawi, Mahmoud Khalil and other student activists have gone far beyond lawful protest.  They have participated in encampments and occupation of buildings, which are illegal.

 

 

 

 

And here is the earlier explanation of possible reasons for revoking a student visa:

 

On 4/16/2025 at 8:39 AM, Evil Penevil said:

Broadly speaking, foreign citizens who are permitted to study in the U.S.  are expected to obey the laws of the U.S. and the rules of the educational institution they attend.  Violation of either can be grounds for loss of their visa.  Remember, a student visa is a privilege, not a right, and revoking a visa is an administrative procedure that doesn't require a criminal trial or conviction.

 

The State Department Web site on student visas includes a page called "Ineligibilities and Waivers: Laws."   It lists reasons for denying a student visa.  Those same reasons can also result in failure to renew or revocation of an existing visa.   https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/visa-information-resources/waivers.html#visa  Take a look at  "Section 212{a} of the Immigration and Nationality Act," then "Criminal and related grounds"  and "Security and related grounds."  They give numerous examples of the types of activities forbidden to foreign students in the U.S.

 

 

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[phetphet]

18 hours ago, FlorC said:

Why is this a bad thing ?

US uni's for US citizens.

Why do foreign students take the place of natives ?

Maybe it will make universities cheaper, less student debt.

And not so competitive to get in.

Because, just the same as other countries around the world, the US hopes (or at least did hope)  to attract and perhaps keep the most talented students and researchers. It's not a one way street. US citizens also go abroad to study.

 

Not all foreign students are on scholarships. Many pay the high fees themselves, and the reason many courses are competitive to get into, is precisely because they want the best, most likely to graduate. Weeding out those deemed not likely to pass saves money in itself.

Sure, get rid of the trouble makers, and those wasting the opportunity given to them, but mass deporting students on the flimsiest of reasons will likely hurt the US ability to catch up with China.

 

Enabling Trump's grand plan will require the best scientists, researchers etc to advance US tech. He won't manage that by limiting  universities to only recruiting US students. The US is already falling behind China which has the largest number of STEM graduates at the moment. 

 

Other countries will be happy to entice unwanted talent to their shores.

 

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[Digitalbanana]

17 hours ago, FlorC said:

but you lost me after : fosters diversity

Living proof why being allowed to vote doesn't always work out for the better of humankind.

[Yagoda]

18 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I think foreign troublemakers should be removed from Western countries.

Trump is doing a great job, and I imagine the citizens that voted for him are happy with his actions.

A man of wisdom speaks.

 

I wonder how Thailand would handle a march of foreign students screaming "Down with the     "

[FlorC]

9 minutes ago, phetphet said:

Because, just the same as other countries around the world, the US hopes (or at least did hope)  to attract and perhaps keep the most talented students and researchers. It's not a one way street. US citizens also go abroad to study.

 

Not all foreign students are on scholarships. Many pay the high fees themselves, and the reason many courses are competitive to get into, is precisely because they want the best, most likely to graduate. Weeding out those deemed not likely to pass saves money in itself.

Sure, get rid of the trouble makers, and those wasting the opportunity given to them, but mass deporting students on the flimsiest of reasons will likely hurt the US ability to catch up with China.

 

Enabling Trump's grand plan will require the best scientists, researchers etc to advance US tech. He won't manage that by limiting  universities to only recruiting US students. The US is already falling behind China which has the largest number of STEM graduates at the moment. 

 

Other countries will be happy to entice unwanted talent to their shores.

 

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Yes , thank you to about 3 posters who's made good and valid arguments in favour of having foreign students in universities.

Still Trump must have good reasons to revoke visa's, hopefully it is not because students expressed opinions about that certain country in the middle east.

[MangoKorat]

Will there be anything left of the USA when Trump's term ends?

[anotherexpat4444]

21 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

So "if you don't like it here, leave". Do you advocate that same line of thought here?

yes. that is plain and simple .   if a international student in USA want to protest  then they should go to there own country and protest  until they drop dead  and become martyr. 

[mrwebb8825]

On 4/20/2025 at 7:03 PM, Social Media said:

And although hundreds of thousands of student visas are approved annually, many for extensions or changes in status, the specter of sudden revocation now hangs over international students like a storm cloud, casting uncertainty on their education and their future in the United States.

If these "Students" aren't smart enough to figure out that they are guests in America and misbehavior and breaking the furniture gets you the boot, then they're either too stupid to be here or lied from the start and lied on their application. Period. Full Stop.

Wonder how many of them will be dumb enough to try and take their paraphernalia with them.

[Nick Carter icp]

12 hours ago, FlorC said:

Yes , thank you to about 3 posters who's made good and valid arguments in favour of having foreign students in universities.

Still Trump must have good reasons to revoke visa's, hopefully it is not because students expressed opinions about that certain country in the middle east.

 

   You are allowed to say *Israel*

Israel isn't a swear word and you are allowed to say it .

Also,  no, they were not sent home for expressing an opinion about Israel 

[FlorC]

11 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   You are allowed to say *Israel*

Israel isn't a swear word and you are allowed to say it .

Also,  no, they were not sent home for expressing an opinion about Israel 

Yes , you are allowed to say that country's name , but that's about it here.

[Chris Daley]

Those students are fast cash.  Get them in.  Cram them into shared low quality dorms.  Add on the extra payments like buying books for a course you have just paid for.  Cram them into 1950s classrooms and make them do Kahoot quizzes.

 

That's a sweet system that prints money.

[Evil Penevil]

18 hours ago, FlorC said:

Yes , you are allowed to say that country's name , but that's about it here.

 There are dozens of posts on AN which criticize Israel and the conduct of the war in Gaza.   The Mods do a commendable job in weeding out the blatantly antisemitic posts.

[radiochaser]

On 4/21/2025 at 6:43 AM, rudi49jr said:

Seriously, you don’t follow the news?

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/doctor-email-immigration-leave-country-rcna201698

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/15/self-deportation-email-citizen-immigration-lawyer
 

Plenty more examples, just google for 5 seconds.

"An official with the US Department of Homeland Security (DHS) told NBC Boston that Micheroni may have received the notice because her name and contact information is on the paperwork for clients.

US Customs and Border Protection (CBP) authorities “used the known email addresses of the alien to send notifications”, a DHS official told the network. “If a non-personal email such as an American citizen contact was provided by the alien, notices may have been sent to unintended recipients."