ALL VACCINES WILL KILL YOU - The evidence is overwhelming

[Fat is a type of crazy]

13 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Some voices that were against the mainstream beliefs were treated badly. Fair enough and not good. But of course that's from the point of victimhood. You guys are mainly on the attack - against real scientific endeavours, against the media who tried to tell it how it was based on available information, against governments who had to do something because the buck stopped there. 

[BritManToo]

43 minutes ago, Magictoad said:

RUBBISH! Little children are not informed enough to give consent about medical matters.  I remember my Polio vaccination, at the time Polio was a serious problem in Europe. It was pitiful and frightening to see 'spastics' damaged by polio in their steel and leather leg irons. Thank you. I was informed.  Some illness have visible damage such a Polio. ANYONE arguing against a vaccine for Polio, Diphtheria, Measles and all the current illnesses are no better than mass murderers.

I'm arguing against smallpox vaccine, which they tried to give me in 1969 when there were no smallpox cases in the UK.

I'm arguing against MMR vaccine, which is 3 vaccines given at once, for 3 trivial diseases which caused no harm in healthy children.

I'm arguing against flu vaccine which doesn't stop anyone getting flu.

I'm arguing against COVID vaccine which just doesn't work.

 

There is no polio currently in the civilised world, so no need to vaccinated against it there.

 

If you believe vaccines work, you are free to have as many as you want, as often as you want. But I'm saying no, my body, my choice.

And I'm only arguing for ME, you want to harm yourself or your kids, have at it.

 

Rabies, don't know, I've never been bitten by a rabid dog.

But I'd suggest killing all the wild dogs might be a better option.

 

Dengue, don't know, mosquitoes don't seen to bite me, and I don't live in a dengue area.

 

Malaria, same

 

Diphtheria, yellow fever, hepatitis, tetinis, Spanish flu, the black death, don't know.

[Lacessit]

51 minutes ago, rumak said:

 

This insane comparison given by RS  gives a very clear insight into the mind of someone continually trying to impose opinions disguised as facts . 

Also a master of the classic bait that I exposed before :  the age old practice of “accusing the other side of that which you are guilty.”

 

R Phoenix and others have posted numerous articles and studies by very knowledgable and credible sources..... only to be dismissed by the "opposing never to be convinced genuises here as  crazy <deleted> "  .  Meaning, not from the sources they are chained to.  

 

Then, when someone like me expresses my opinion.... based on my life experiences, they get sooooo upset and resort to the old bash Rumak  crap .  Like children .

My only objection was to the stupid ad hominem attacks and name calling .  Which of course RS and that chiangrai professor tried to turn around by saying I was the bad one attacking others.    hahah  Yep... the age old practice of “accusing the other side of that which you are guilty.”

 

ok boys........... more fodder for the troops  😅

Your post is rich with hypocrisy, as you have spent considerable time and vitriol in attacking me personally.

 

FYI, your ability to speak several Asian languages has nothing to do with intelligence, only memory. Thousands of villagers on the banks of the Mekong have the same competence.

 

You do not post any facts, only opinions based on your"life experiences". You seem to think a statistical sample of one is a more impressive data point than that of millions.

 

Your choice of nom-de-plume is a glaring indicator of your intellectual vanity.

[richard_smith237]

34 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Yep, that's the official 'authorized narrative' regarding the Spanish Flu. 

If only we would have had those magical vaccines then, we would have prevented the 50-100 million deaths attributed to the Spanish Flu. 

But the Spanish Flu, didn't originate in Spain, it wasn't a Flu and was most probably caused by an early experimental vaccine given to US troops at Fort Riley in Kansas in 1918, that were then sent to Europe.

Here a summary from a 2018 article aptly titled: Did a Vaccine Experiment on U.S. Soldiers Cause the “Spanish Flu”?

Source: https://healthimpactnews.com/2018/did-a-military-experimental-vaccine-in-1918-kill-50-100-million-people-blamed-as-spanish-flu/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

• The reason modern technology has not been able to pinpoint the killer influenza strain from this pandemic is because influenza was not the killer.
• More soldiers died during WWI from disease than from bullets.
• The pandemic was not flu. An estimated 95% (or higher) of the deaths were caused by bacterial pneumonia, not influenza/a virus.
• The pandemic was not Spanish. The first cases of bacterial pneumonia in 1918 trace back to a military base in Fort Riley, Kansas.
• From January 21 – June 4, 1918, an experimental bacterial meningitis vaccine cultured in horses by the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research in New York was injected into soldiers at Fort Riley.
• During the remainder of 1918 as those soldiers – often living and traveling under poor sanitary conditions – were sent to Europe to fight, they spread bacteria at every stop between Kansas and the frontline trenches in France.
• One study describes soldiers “with active infections (who) were aerosolizing the bacteria that colonized their noses and throats, while others—often, in the same “breathing spaces”—were profoundly susceptible to invasion of and rapid spread through their lungs by their own or others’ colonizing bacteria.” (1)
• The “Spanish Flu” attacked healthy people in their prime.  Bacterial pneumonia attacks people in their prime. Flu attacks the young, old and immuno-compromised.
• When WW1 ended on November 11, 1918, soldiers returned to their home countries and colonial outposts, spreading the killer bacterial pneumonia worldwide.
• During WW1, the Rockefeller Institute also sent the anti-meningococcic serum to England, France, Belgium, Italy and other countries, helping spread the epidemic worldwide.

 

 

More copy and pasted from 'neurotic' ant-vax websites... 

 

'Authorised' - a daft 'key word' that targets emotion rather than intellect... There is no universally authorised world wide narrative approved by some 'unknown group' that are attempting to pull the wool of the eyes of world history - thats preposterous. 

 

This content you 'pasted' is based on a combination of half-truths, misinterpretations, and conspiracy theories. The Spanish Flu was caused by the H1N1 influenza virus, and while bacterial pneumonia was a significant secondary complication, it was not the primary cause of the deaths. The idea that an experimental vaccine caused the Spanish Flu is a debunked conspiracy theory, with no scientific evidence to support it.

 

 

"The reason modern technology has not been able to pinpoint the killer influenza strain from this pandemic is because influenza was not the killer."

Modern technology has indeed been able to pinpoint the influenza virus as the cause of the Spanish Flu.

In 2005, scientists successfully sequenced the H1N1 influenza virus from preserved samples of the 1918 flu virus, confirming it was the culprit. This contradicts the claim that influenza was not the cause of the pandemic. The virus was a novel strain that emerged from a reassortment of bird, pig, and human influenza viruses.

Influenza was the killer, not a conspiracy or misidentified pathogen.

 

"More soldiers died during WWI from disease than from bullets."

 This statement is true, but it needs context. The overall number of deaths from disease during WWI was staggering, including deaths from influenza, pneumonia, and other infections. However, it's important to note that disease deaths were caused by poor sanitation, malnutrition, and overcrowding, not just the flu.

While more soldiers died from disease than bullets, this statistic alone doesn't prove that the Spanish Flu was caused by bacterial pneumonia or any experimental vaccine. Disease was a major factor in WWI, but the primary cause of the 1918 pandemic was the H1N1 influenza virus.

 

"The pandemic was not flu. An estimated 95% (or higher) of the deaths were caused by bacterial pneumonia, not influenza/a virus."

While secondary bacterial pneumonia was a major complication and caused many deaths during the 1918 pandemic, influenza was still the primary cause of the pandemic. The H1N1 influenza virus is well-documented as the initial trigger for the disease, and the bacterial pneumonia came after as a secondary infection.

According to studies, secondary bacterial pneumonia was responsible for many deaths, but 95% of deaths being caused by bacteria is an overstatement. The influenza virus weakened the immune system, making the body more susceptible to bacterial infections, which is why pneumonia followed.

 

 

"The pandemic was not Spanish. The first cases of bacterial pneumonia in 1918 trace back to a military base in Fort Riley, Kansas."

The term "Spanish Flu" is a misnomer. It was called the "Spanish Flu" because Spain, being neutral during WWI, did not have wartime censorship and was able to report the outbreak early. The pandemic likely began in the United States, possibly in Kansas, but there is no direct link between the origin of the flu and bacterial pneumonia.

 

 

"From January 21 – June 4, 1918, an experimental bacterial meningitis vaccine cultured in horses by the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research in New York was injected into soldiers at Fort Riley."

This is a conspiracy theory with no solid evidence. While there were indeed experimental meningitis vaccines administered to soldiers at Fort Riley, there is no credible scientific evidence that these vaccines caused the Spanish Flu. Vaccines at the time were aimed at preventing bacterial meningitis, not influenza. The idea that these vaccines triggered the Spanish Flu is a misinterpretation of the facts.

 

 

"During the remainder of 1918, soldiers... spread bacteria at every stop between Kansas and the frontline trenches in France."

It is true that the movement of troops during WWI contributed to the rapid spread of disease, including the Spanish Flu. However, the bacteria that spread were often secondary infections (such as pneumococcal bacteria) that followed the initial viral infection. The H1N1 influenza virus was the first cause, and bacterial infections like pneumonia followed as a complication.

 

 "One study describes soldiers 'with active infections (who) were aerosolizing the bacteria that colonized their noses and throats, while others... were profoundly susceptible to invasion of and rapid spread through their lungs by their own or others’ colonizing bacteria."

This description of bacterial spread is accurate in describing the spread of pneumonia after viral infections like influenza. However, this study does not imply that the flu virus wasn't the cause; it simply explains how bacterial pneumonia spread after the flu weakened people's immune systems.

 

"The 'Spanish Flu' attacked healthy people in their prime. Bacterial pneumonia attacks people in their prime. Flu attacks the young, old and immuno-compromised."

It is true that the Spanish Flu disproportionately affected healthy young adults. This unusual pattern was likely due to an overreaction of the immune system, called a cytokine storm, which caused damage to the lungs. Bacterial pneumonia, however, does not specifically target young, healthy people in the way the flu did in 1918. Pneumonia usually affects the very young, elderly, or immunocompromised.

The cytokine storm hypothesis explains why healthy young adults were disproportionately affected by the flu, but the claim about bacterial pneumonia being responsible for this is incorrect.

 

"When WWI ended on November 11, 1918, soldiers returned to their home countries and colonial outposts, spreading the killer bacterial pneumonia worldwide."

While soldiers did indeed carry the flu virus back home, spreading it worldwide, the primary cause of death was still the H1N1 influenza virus. The pneumonia came as a complication after influenza.

Soldiers helped spread the flu virus globally, and while bacterial pneumonia was a major cause of death, it was secondary to the viral infection.

 

"During WWI, the Rockefeller Institute also sent the anti-meningococcic serum to England, France, Belgium, Italy and other countries, helping spread the epidemic worldwide."

This is a false connection. The anti-meningococcic serum was not responsible for the Spanish Flu pandemic. It was aimed at bacterial meningitis, which is a different infection altogether. The flu spread rapidly due to human-to-human transmission of the influenza virus, not because of a vaccine or serum.

 

 

[richard_smith237]

29 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

If you find yourself resorting to posting (copying and pasting) a meme - it’s because you’re unable to present a solid argument.

 

Instead, you're leaning on superficial influence to sway those who haven't developed the critical thinking skills to question or analyse what they see.

 

This is the crux of the problem with social media today: it’s become a platform where soundbites and memes dominate the conversation, and too many people, unfortunately, are too complacent to question them - regurgitating them does not strengthen your argument - it actively weakens it.

[BritManToo]

6 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

If you find yourself resorting to posting (copying and pasting) a meme - it’s because you’re unable to present a solid argument.

 

Instead, you're leaning on superficial influence to sway those who haven't developed the critical thinking skills to question or analyse what they see.

 

This is the crux of the problem with social media today: it’s become a platform where soundbites and memes dominate the conversation, and too many people, unfortunately, are too complacent to question them - regurgitating them does not strengthen your argument - it actively weakens it.

I feel the same way about posters that can't present a solid argument without calling other posters stupid or idiots or ignorant or mass murderers!

[Lacessit]

9 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

 

I'm arguing against MMR vaccine, which is 3 vaccines given at once, for 3 trivial diseases which caused no harm in healthy children.

I'm arguing against flu vaccine which doesn't stop anyone getting flu.

I'm arguing against COVID vaccine which just doesn't work.

 

There is no polio currently in the civilised world, so no need to vaccinated against it there.

 

 

Independent Samoa had 83 measles child deaths in 2019, due to anti-vax sentiment after a tragic incident in 2018 of incorrectly prepared vaccine.

 

Prior to measles vaccinations in America, there would be 400-500 deaths every year.

 

I had flu in my thirties, 2 weeks flat on my back aching all over.  I have been having flu jabs for over 40 years, with not a single recurrence.

 

How would you know there is no polio in the civilized world? Polio can be asymptomatic.

 

There are 6 countries with endemic polio. There are only two countries out of 195 that require proof of polio vaccination from international travelers.

[richard_smith237]

16 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I'm arguing against smallpox vaccine, which they tried to give me in 1969 when there were no smallpox cases in the UK.

I'm arguing against MMR vaccine, which is 3 vaccines given at once, for 3 trivial diseases which caused no harm in healthy children.

I'm arguing against flu vaccine which doesn't stop anyone getting flu.

I'm arguing against COVID vaccine which just doesn't work.

There is no polio currently in the civilised world, so no need to vaccinated against it there.

 

Smallpox - valid but moot point: Since ~1980, small pox vaccines have been phased out.

 

MMR - Proven to work, complications of diseases it vaccinates against are not trivial. 

 

Influenza - follows antigenic drift and is 40-60% effective at preventing infection and minimises symptoms

 

Covid - You had covid after being vaccinated and by your own admission was not serious - arguably, either the vaccine worked or the strain of covid you had was minor.

 

Polio - the disease is still endemic in some countries, and thus remains an issue, its still necessary to vaccinate against it.

 

 

16 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

If you believe vaccines work, you are free to have as many as you want, as often as you want. But I'm saying no, my body, my choice.

 

Which is fine... I’m sure you’d be just fine living alone on a desert island, or maybe with all the other anti-vaxxer - if that’s really your preference. Of course, that’s a rather extreme and daft analogy, but it highlights an important point: by refusing vaccines, you’re not just making a personal choice. You’re actively contributing to the erosion of herd immunity, the very concept that protects vulnerable people in our communities - those who can’t be vaccinated due to health conditions, age, or other factors.

 

When enough people refuse vaccines, the effectiveness of this collective protection diminishes, and suddenly, everyone is at greater risk, including yourself.

 

Ignoring vaccines isn’t just about your health; it directly impacts the health of the broader community, and could allow dangerous diseases to spread unchecked. It’s a false sense of security to think that avoiding vaccines won’t eventually affect you when you’re part of a larger, interconnected society.

 

The reason the unvaccinated are at less risk now is purely because so many others are vaccinated.

 

16 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

And I'm only arguing for ME, you want to harm yourself or your kids, have at it.

 

But.. this is a 'community' issue, not just you - If you want to argue just about you, as mentioned above, isolate yourself.

 

16 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Rabies, don't know, I've never been bitten by a rabid dog.

 

If you consider yourself anti-vaccine, surely that stance extends to the rabies vaccine as well, right? After all, if you were to be bitten by a dog - whether it’s confirmed to be rabid or not - I’m certain you’d waste no time rushing to the nearest hospital for a shot of that very same vaccine you dismiss for other diseases.

 

It’s funny how quickly the resolve of an anti-vaxxer fades when faced with the very real, immediate threat of a deadly virus like rabies. Suddenly, the logic of vaccine hesitation doesn’t seem to hold up when it’s a matter of life and death.

 

It’s a stark reminder that vaccines are not some abstract concept but a practical and proven tool to save lives.

 

16 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

But I'd suggest killing all the wild dogs might be a better option.

 

Dengue, don't know, mosquitoes don't seen to bite me, and I don't live in a dengue area.

Malaria, same

 

Diphtheria, yellow fever, hepatitis, tetinis, Spanish flu, the black death, don't know.

 

Showing your ignorance on this subject...  the black death (Bubonic plague) was spread not by virus but a bacteria.

[richard_smith237]

9 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I feel the same way about posters that can't present a solid argument without calling other posters stupid or idiots or ignorant or mass murderers!

 

If the cap fits... 

[Lacessit]

12 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I feel the same way about posters that can't present a solid argument without calling other posters stupid or idiots or ignorant or mass murderers!

Really? I seem to remember a post by you  ( maybe even on this thread ) that did just that.

[BritManToo]

16 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Covid - You had covid after being vaccinated and by your own admission was not serious - arguably, either the vaccine worked or the strain of covid you had was minor.

I also had it before, the original strain, straight from the Chinese.

No difference.

[richard_smith237]

13 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

31 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Covid - You had covid after being vaccinated and by your own admission was not serious - arguably, either the vaccine worked or the strain of covid you had was minor.

I also had it before, the original strain, straight from the Chinese.

No difference.

 

Oh, so now you're telling us you've had Covid-19 twice? How convenient.

 

Funny how that was completely omitted earlier and you only mention that now, right after the flaw in your earlier comment has been pointed out  ((where you stated your case was mild and it was highlited that this was after having the vaccine))...   Suddenly, here comes this new detail...  

 

Forgive me if I'm a little cynical, but it feels like you’ve pulled this out of thin air to backpedal and fabricate a story that fits your narrative. Especially in the middle of an anti-vax thread - what perfect timing.

 

You'd never try to cover up a hole in your argument with some strategically placed “facts.” .... would you ???.... 

[rumak]

48 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Your post is rich with hypocrisy, as you have spent considerable time and vitriol in attacking me personally.

 

FYI, your ability to speak several Asian languages has nothing to do with intelligence, only memory. Thousands of villagers on the banks of the Mekong have the same competence.

 

You do not post any facts, only opinions based on your"life experiences". You seem to think a statistical sample of one is a more impressive data point than that of millions.

 

Your choice of nom-de-plume is a glaring indicator of your intellectual vanity.

 

your delusions are amazing .   i simply objected to you constantly inferring that others here ( not just me)  were stupid, ignorant, etc .   Others here have also commented on that .  I let it go for a while, till I told you off. 

 

move on professor .......

    

[MangoKorat]

This post illustrates exactly why a degree of censorship will always be necessary even if it isn't being applied here. The arguments against that include freedom of speech and rights to opinions etc. The problem is that the internet has provided a platform where those who peddle this kind of crap can access gullible people.

 

Whilst the vast majority of people will see the OP for what it is - total rubbish, there will always be people who believe stuff like this and are influenced by it.  When such influence can and has lead to deaths, my opinion is that such posts should be taken down.

 

Would it be OK to post instructions on how to make a bomb or home made gun? Clearly the answer is no, because its dangerous and can lead to deaths.  This post isn't?

 

During Covid, a friend of mine who is by no means stupid, shared a link to a 'supposed' news website where a report stated that the first woman in the UK to receive the covid vaccine had died.  I hadn't heard anything on the TV news so I Googled it - the post was a fake and the woman in question had posted a video proving she was very much alive.

 

Many people no longer watch mainstream news anymore, sources that would out such rubbish - they rely on what they read on their phones and may well be influenced by it.

[Lacessit]

51 minutes ago, rumak said:

 

your delusions are amazing .   i simply objected to you constantly inferring that others here ( not just me)  were stupid, ignorant, etc .   Others here have also commented on that .  I let it go for a while, till I told you off. 

 

move on professor .......

    

I call it as I see it. Noted you declined to address any of the points I posted, calling them delusions is a cop-out.

 

You have a huge chip on your shoulder about people who have a better education than you. So you recite the "living experience" mantra.

 

Please provide me with one good reason I should suffer fools gladly.

[Harrisfan]

1 hour ago, rumak said:

 

your delusions are amazing .   i simply objected to you constantly inferring that others here ( not just me)  were stupid, ignorant, etc .   Others here have also commented on that .  I let it go for a while, till I told you off. 

 

move on professor .......

    

He's a climate crazy

[rattlesnake]

3 hours ago, rumak said:

the age old practice of “accusing the other side of that which you are guilty.”

 

A.k.a accusatory inversion, it's true it happens a lot.

[rough diamond]

16 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

He's a climate crazy

Whereas you are just crazy about posting in or creating post on every topic under the sun.

Most of your posts being totally irrelevant as your comment above shows.

[rumak]

23 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I call it as I see it. Noted you declined to address any of the points I posted, calling them delusions is a cop-out.

 

You have a huge chip on your shoulder about people who have a better education than you. So you recite the "living experience" mantra.

 

Please provide me with one good reason I should suffer fools gladly.

 

I'm not here to fight, Lace.   Let's just forget the past,  move on.     We're all here hopefully to accept others opinions.   Take care ,  wish you  the best .

 

[rumak]

16 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

A.k.a accusatory inversion, it's true it happens a lot.

pretty much the globalists playbook  ...... but seems to be a prevalent form of "debate".

 

that's why i don't let myself get drawn in .   this and other topics are basically opposing views posting their "facts" ,   and then fighting about it .  

 

5555  i have just reminded myself to sit back and enjoy the show .

[rattlesnake]

10 minutes ago, rumak said:

pretty much the globalists playbook  ...... but seems to be a prevalent form of "debate".

 

that's why i don't let myself get drawn in .   this and other topics are basically opposing views posting their "facts" ,   and then fighting about it .  

 

5555  i have just reminded myself to sit back and enjoy the show .

 

Wise choice, Sir Knowsalot 

[rattlesnake]

 

4 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

It's understandable that parents seek explanations when something traumatic happens to their child, it’s human nature to search for external causes - especially ones that feel tangible and immediate.

 

Temporal association doesn’t prove causation, and when distressing symptoms like autism or epilepsy emerge, it's natural for parents to want a clear reason. Vaccines, being a recent and visible event, become an easy target.

 

But, this tendency doesn’t necessarily reflect an empirical reality - it reflects a deeply emotional and psychological need to find something to blame.

 

Just because symptoms appear after a vaccination doesn't mean the vaccination caused them, any more than rain the day after washing a car means the car wash caused the storm. Correlation and causation are dangerously easy to confuse, especially when emotions are involved.

 

It doesn't necessarily reflect an empirical reality, but it is definitely notable, and what is particularly disturbing is the unanimous, immediate and unilateral assurance, by the whole medical class, that these events could not in any way be vaccination-related. These are the excesses (not the rise of social media) which lead to distrust and defiance.

 

  

4 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

I agreed that the US medical industry has serious issues with integrity - including documented kickbacks to physicians for administering vaccines, I agree that this is not only unethical, its morally reprehensible IMO.

 

That said important to recognise that the broader scientific consensus on vaccines comes from outside the US as well, from countries whose healthcare systems are not plagued by the same corruption and profit motives.

 

In Europe, Australia, Japan, and many other regions, independent research has repeatedly confirmed the safety and effectiveness of vaccines without the same financial entanglements.

 

Ironically, the rampant corruption within the US system may actually be a major reason why so many Americans distrust vaccines: their own institutions have taught them to be sceptical. But that doesn’t negate the findings of the global scientific community, who operate in systems with far more transparency and accountability.

 

I'd ask if you, Middle Stump, Red Phoenix, Rumak and johng are from any other nation than the USA.

 

I am French (though I was born and have lived in the UK).

 

There is a big conflict of interest problem in France, and this has been documented a lot, including by mainstream media outlets. One of the most infamous stories in this respect is the Mediator scandal: this weight loss pill, produced by pharmaceutical giant Servier, caused serious cardiovascular problems and deaths for thousands of people, and the investigation revealed that the risks were known but withheld for profit, and worse, that the regulatory agencies were involved in conflicts of interest and influence peddling schemes.

 

So far this issue has not been properly addressed.

[josephbloggs]

2 hours ago, MangoKorat said:

This post illustrates exactly why a degree of censorship will always be necessary even if it isn't being applied here. The arguments against that include freedom of speech and rights to opinions etc. The problem is that the internet has provided a platform where those who peddle this kind of crap can access gullible people.

 

Whilst the vast majority of people will see the OP for what it is - total rubbish, there will always be people who believe stuff like this and are influenced by it.  When such influence can and has lead to deaths, my opinion is that such posts should be taken down.

 

Would it be OK to post instructions on how to make a bomb or home made gun? Clearly the answer is no, because its dangerous and can lead to deaths.  This post isn't?

 

During Covid, a friend of mine who is by no means stupid, shared a link to a 'supposed' news website where a report stated that the first woman in the UK to receive the covid vaccine had died.  I hadn't heard anything on the TV news so I Googled it - the post was a fake and the woman in question had posted a video proving she was very much alive.

 

Many people no longer watch mainstream news anymore, sources that would out such rubbish - they rely on what they read on their phones and may well be influenced by it.

Spot on. And they rail against the "MSM" as it goes against what they read on their conspiracy sites on their phones, and somehow they think they are seeing the "real truth" when it isn't - it's just stuff they want to hear.

[Stiddle Mump]

3 hours ago, MangoKorat said:

The problem is that the internet has provided a platform where those who peddle this kind of crap can access gullible people.

What is this crap you speak of Sir?

[rumak]

2 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Wise choice, Sir Knowsalot 

 

Sittin' and postin' all day ...............

 

 

[rattlesnake]

10 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

While personal testimonies of vaccine injury are genuinely moving and deserve compassion, it is crucial to approach public health decisions based on rigorous evidence, not anecdote. Empirical observations at a population level overwhelmingly show that vaccines have saved millions of lives globally. This isn’t abstract theorising - it's hard data from countless studies, across nations, across age groups, across different vaccines.

 

 

The "broken eggs" metaphor is misused: vaccines are not casual sacrifices. Every serious side effect is taken seriously, monitored, studied, and continuously reassessed. That's why adverse event reporting systems exist, like VAERS in the US and the Yellow Card scheme in the UK. If underreporting exists, it still doesn't alter the clear, repeated finding that the risk from viral diseases themself is far, far greater than the risk from vaccines, including for young people.

 

Additionally, the argument that "watching a few testimonials" somehow overturns the scientific consensus misunderstands the nature of evidence. Individual cases, tragic as they may be, do not invalidate broader trends any more than a few bad car accidents prove that driving should be banned. Public health policy is not based on emotional snapshots; it's design is based on reproducible, statistically sound data. Vaccines reduce hospitalisations, severe disease, and deaths by orders of magnitude - including among the young and healthy.

 

 

John Campbell's later work, particularly during the pandemic, has been criticised for cherry-picking evidence and drifting into sensationalism. Seeking truth requires consulting the full spectrum of high-quality evidence - not just emotive, selective cases that confirm pre-existing biases.

 

Finally, real intellectual honesty demands recognising scale. It demands acknowledging that public health will always involve weighing risks and benefits for everyone, not just reacting to the most visible or heartbreaking outliers. The vaccine programme wasn’t perfect - no major intervention ever is - but it remains one of the greatest contributors to the ending of the worst phases of a pandemic. That’s not abstraction. That’s reality.

 

 

Public health decisions rely on broad evidence, not isolated anecdotes, because protecting millions requires perspective, not cherry-picking - aggregate statistics are key.

 

 

Let's delve a bit into this notion of "rare anecdotal evidence":

 

As at February 25, 2023, the European database of suspected drug reaction reports, EudraVigilance, verified by the European Medicines Agency (EMA), had reported 50,663 fatalities and 5,315,063 injuries following injections of the EMA-authorised COVID-19 shots.

 

Even without taking into account the established issue of underreporting, do you consider these figures to be within the scope of acceptability?

 

 

 

[Edit after 20 minutes: shout-out to the person who actually laughed at this post, IMO you epitomise everything wrong with today's world.]