Another win for Trump (breaking news)

[thesetat]

4 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

 

Oh, you count signing a piece of paper as a completed promise? I rest my case Blind Freddy

If signing that paper changes something and keeps a promise made. Then yes. It was a campaign promise he kept. Not the same as what Biden did. Lied he would do something then did nothing or made it worse.. Ohh.. by the way, Biden had to sign a piece of paper also to either keep his campaign promise or do nothing

[jas007]

6 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

It seems clear that as a MAGA person you are a Russia supporter (yes, yes, "you only want to see the war end"... on Russia's terms) but literally everyone else (except Russia) is relieved Trump finally sees a reason not to sell Ukraine to Russia.  So it's progress from where we were a few weeks ago.  Here is the text of the deal.  I'm thrilled with the "Whereas" clauses.  https://kyivindependent.com/the-full-text-of-the-us-ukraine-minerals-agreement/

The agreement would be all well and good in a fantasyland where Russia has not already won the war. 

 

But an agreement, without more, does not trump reality.  And the reality is that Russia holds all the cards, so to speak.  It's not a matter of selling Ukraine to Russia.  Russia already won.  

 

Anyway, we'll have to see how it plays out, but I'm afraid the longer the charade goes on, the worse it will be for Ukraine.  Right now, they have a chance to save what's left of Ukraine.  Maybe they should accept that and move on.  

[frank83628]

13 minutes ago, thesetat said:

Actually, running a country is like a business or should be. You want to improve, your workers or citizens want to be paid more with more benefits and you do not want to operate at a loss. You want to supply them with insurance to cover medical costs so the money they make is not affected so much by injury or illness. you want to make deals for infrastructure to create new products and sell other products. Running a country is the biggest business there is. It even comes with a HR department, security department, sales department, All on a worldwide scale though. 

Exactly, countries should be run like a business, if they were and politicians were held accountable there would be a lot less wastage of public money.

 

[ChicagoExpat]

1 minute ago, jas007 said:

The agreement would be all well and good in a fantasyland where Russia has not already won the war. 

 

But an agreement, without more, does not trump reality.  And the reality is that Russia holds all the cards, so to speak.  It's not a matter of selling Ukraine to Russia.  Russia already won.  

 

Anyway, we'll have to see how it plays out, but I'm afraid the longer the charade goes on, the worse it will be for Ukraine.  Right now, they have a chance to save what's left of Ukraine.  Maybe they should accept that and move on.  

Russia hasn't won the war.  Repeating it over and over again doesn't make it so.  I get that this is what you want, but it's simply not true in any sense.

[CallumWK]

2 minutes ago, thesetat said:

If signing that paper changes something and keeps a promise made. Then yes. It was a campaign promise he kept.

 

So I repeat my question to you. Please enlighten us which signings of pieces of papers have brought any changes. And with changes, I don't mean the fact that most of the world has changed from being friendly with the US to being hostile.

[CallumWK]

3 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Exactly, countries should be run like a business, if they were and politicians were held accountable there would be a lot less wastage of public money.

 

 

You better hope politicians aren't held accountable, because in this particular case it will result in Trump ending up in jail

[thesetat]

2 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

 

So I repeat my question to you. Please enlighten us which signings of pieces of papers have brought any changes. And with changes, I don't mean the fact that most of the world has changed from being friendly with the US to being hostile.

So, i replied you and you refuse to google yourself. Then you twist the words into something else. I sent facts found in google about campaign promises kept. You instead twist it now into something else. End of discussion. 

[frank83628]

Just now, CallumWK said:

 

You better hope politicians aren't held accountable, because in this particular case it will result in Trump ending up in jail

The world would be different place if they were 

[CallumWK]

3 minutes ago, thesetat said:

6 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

 

So I repeat my question to you. Please enlighten us which signings of pieces of papers have brought any changes. And with changes, I don't mean the fact that most of the world has changed from being friendly with the US to being hostile.

So, i replied you and you refuse to google yourself. Then you twist the words into something else. I sent facts found in google about campaign promises kept. You instead twist it now into something else. End of discussion. 

 

So the short answer is, you have nothing

[CallumWK]

Just now, frank83628 said:

The world would be different place if they were 

 

Indeed, because it would mean, Trump didn't get a chance for a second term

 

[frank83628]

3 minutes ago, thesetat said:

So, i replied you and you refuse to google yourself. Then you twist the words into something else. I sent facts found in google about campaign promises kept. You instead twist it now into something else. End of discussion. 

No credit can be given to Trump, they cannot do it regardless.

[frank83628]

Just now, CallumWK said:

 

Indeed, because it would mean, Trump didn't get a chance for a second term

 

The Dems already tried everthing to stop Trump, even assassination. If there had been sonthing there they'd have stopped him, time to let it go. You're embarrassing yourself

I was actually referring to politicians in general, worldwide,  but you seem to only be able to foucs on Trump due to your frothy derangement.

[CallumWK]

9 minutes ago, thesetat said:

So, i replied you and you refuse to google yourself. Then you twist the words into something else. I sent facts found in google about campaign promises kept. You instead twist it now into something else. End of discussion. 

 

I googled it myself, and his is my Google result. In short, you are delusional and have nothing.

 

https://apnews.com/projects/trump-campaign-promise-tracker/

 

 

[CallumWK]

1 minute ago, frank83628 said:

The Dems already tried everthing to stop Trump, even assassination.

 

You have any evidence of that?

 

2 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

I was actually referring to politicians in general, worldwide,  but you seem to only be able to foucs on Trump due to your frothy derangement.

 

Maybe because the topic in this case is Trump, and not politicians worldwide.

 

3 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

You're embarrassing yourself

 

I agree, you are doing that all the time

[jas007]

18 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

Russia hasn't won the war.  Repeating it over and over again doesn't make it so.  I get that this is what you want, but it's simply not true in any sense.

Do you really believe that?  Anyway, what I believe doesn't matter. What you believe doesn't matter.

 

The reality will be played out in realtime, on the ground.  And in reality, and after three years of support from the USA and the EU, where is Ukraine now?  Begging for more help, with large parts of Ukraine already lost.  A nonsensical deal between Trump and Zelenskyy won't change that.  Thousands more young people might die for no good reason, but that's about it.  It's too bad.  Young people in the prime of their life, gone, because some people can't accept reality. 

[frank83628]

19 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

 

You have any evidence of that?

 

 

Maybe because the topic in this case is Trump, and not politicians worldwide.

 

 

I agree, you are doing that all the time

The fact that the whole thing has been buried speaks volumes. 

 

It was generalisation, but I know you cannot let the Trump thing go.... he lives rent free in you head.

 

 

[saintdomingo]

On 5/1/2025 at 7:49 AM, hotsun said:

You provided no links. I dont care about your opinion on anything

He's gone very quiet, should we get the police to do a welfare check.?

[ChicagoExpat]

35 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Do you really believe that?  Anyway, what I believe doesn't matter. What you believe doesn't matter.

 

The reality will be played out in realtime, on the ground.  And in reality, and after three years of support from the USA and the EU, where is Ukraine now?  Begging for more help, with large parts of Ukraine already lost.  A nonsensical deal between Trump and Zelenskyy won't change that.  Thousands more young people might die for no good reason, but that's about it.  It's too bad.  Young people in the prime of their life, gone, because some people can't accept reality. 

Yes, I do.  Your interpretation of events is so bizarre, and reflects the continual redefining down of "victory" that Russia and its supporters have had to do to cope with reality.  Can you name a single war prior to this one where three years of grinding warfare (subsequent to two prior invasions) with marginal gains and ENORMOUS losses would be considered a war already won?  The original goal was to take all of Ukraine.  That didn't work out.  How is that de-Nazification going?  Well, turns out Ukraine wasn't a Nazi state after all, so that one is gone.  Another war aim as a corollary to the failure in 2014 -- keep Ukraine as a Russian vassal state, if it's not destroyed outright.  Another failure.

 

By any measure, Russians should be storming the Kremlin to hang Putin from a lamppost Mussolini-style.  3 invasions, a trillion dollars wasted, hundreds of thousands of lives, much of their navy/air force/armored forces.  Humiliating reliance on North Korea, China, and Iran.  For 20% of a country that had a fraction of their strength -- and nearly all of which they already held prior to the third invasion.

 

WINNING

[SpaceKadet]

On 5/1/2025 at 7:00 AM, Jingthing said:

The only good news I suppose is that Trump can sell this as a big win for him.

Without that any hope of continued U.S. -- Ukraine good relations would be finished.

In Trump's perverted view of the world, there are no mutually beneficial agreements, there needs to be a winner and a loser.

 

 

Or, to express it in the Games Theory terminology, it's a "Zero Sum Game".

[ThreeCardMonte]

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Here is a good source for you. Direct from Russian state (propaganda) tv:

 

Was unaware your a Russian linguist.  I was correct in my assessment.

[jas007]

1 hour ago, ChicagoExpat said:

Yes, I do.  Your interpretation of events is so bizarre, and reflects the continual redefining down of "victory" that Russia and its supporters have had to do to cope with reality.  Can you name a single war prior to this one where three years of grinding warfare (subsequent to two prior invasions) with marginal gains and ENORMOUS losses would be considered a war already won?  The original goal was to take all of Ukraine.  That didn't work out.  How is that de-Nazification going?  Well, turns out Ukraine wasn't a Nazi state after all, so that one is gone.  Another war aim as a corollary to the failure in 2014 -- keep Ukraine as a Russian vassal state, if it's not destroyed outright.  Another failure.

 

By any measure, Russians should be storming the Kremlin to hang Putin from a lamppost Mussolini-style.  3 invasions, a trillion dollars wasted, hundreds of thousands of lives, much of their navy/air force/armored forces.  Humiliating reliance on North Korea, China, and Iran.  For 20% of a country that had a fraction of their strength -- and nearly all of which they already held prior to the third invasion.

 

WINNING

"Marginal gains."  No Nazis in Ukraine?  LOL

 

What surprises me is how anyone who actually supports Ukraine is OK with a US proxy war in which Ukrainians die to the last Ukrainian for a bunch of Neocon nutcases who couldn't care less about Ukraine, Ukrainians, or Ukrainian "democracy." 

 

What you're going to end up with is no Ukraine at all and thousands of more dead Ukrainian kids.  

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

Was unaware your a Russian linguist.  I was correct in my assessment.

Waste of time.

Bye.

[ThreeCardMonte]

3 hours ago, CallumWK said:

 

No doubt, as a Kremlin insider, you will know who is.

Please remind us of your username 1 month ago

Was referring to Jinthing .  
 

Reading comprehension not a priority in Chicago public schools?

 

I’ll give Mayor Richard Daily credit where credit is due.

[ThreeCardMonte]

3 hours ago, CallumWK said:

 

Please enlighten us what those 142 completed promises are.

Do you count each deported individual as a completed promise?

Do you count his silly tariffs, for which he doesn't have a single trade deal yet, as a completed promise?

Is the 90% shortfall of the DOGE cut backs a completed promise?

 

it’s all over the news.

 

Of course you won’t hear about it on the Trump haters networks.

 

What’s the Tesla firestorm count today?  Along with the photoshop evidence of the Ms-13 gang banger legally removed by Trump.

 

I’m sure your networks have all the details.

[ChicagoExpat]

1 hour ago, jas007 said:

"Marginal gains."  No Nazis in Ukraine?  LOL

 

What surprises me is how anyone who actually supports Ukraine is OK with a US proxy war in which Ukrainians die to the last Ukrainian for a bunch of Neocon nutcases who couldn't care less about Ukraine, Ukrainians, or Ukrainian "democracy." 

 

What you're going to end up with is no Ukraine at all and thousands of more dead Ukrainian kids.  

Yes, marginal gains -- you must be unfamiliar with the battlefield map.  At this rate Ukraine will fall by 2060.  LOL

 

I said "Nazi state"  -- dishonesty is an ugly look, even for a Putinite.  Yes, there are those who use Nazi symbolism in Ukraine, but those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.  Clean up Rusich and Wagner and then preen and prance.  You know Russia's claim of a Nazi state was a lie so you, in turn lie about what I said.

 

Again -- more Kremlin agitprop.  It's not a "US proxy war."  It's Russia's third invasion of Ukraine, and Ukraine is fighting back.  Its allies assist.  Was World War 2 a "US proxy war" when the U.S. was giving Russia (and others) enormous amounts of war material?

And, finally, I'm glad you admit Russia intentionally targets not only civilians but kids.

 

Tell me more about how this war not only will be won by Russia but ALREADY HAS BEEN WON by Russia.

 

If you'd like to turn down the sarcasm, we can return to a more serious conversation.  Tell me what "winning" means for Russia, and why you think Russia has already won.  I'll argue with you, but if you use actual fact-based arguments maybe we'll respect your effort.  And I'm always willing to take into account something I didn't already know.

[ChicagoExpat]

1 hour ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

Was referring to Jinthing .  
 

Reading comprehension not a priority in Chicago public schools?

 

I’ll give Mayor Richard Daily credit where credit is due.

Hilarious -- you start insulting him for getting a commenter wrong and then you do the same.  He's Callum, not me.

[jas007]

2 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

Yes, marginal gains -- you must be unfamiliar with the battlefield map.  At this rate Ukraine will fall by 2060.  LOL

 

I said "Nazi state"  -- dishonesty is an ugly look, even for a Putinite.  Yes, there are those who use Nazi symbolism in Ukraine, but those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.  Clean up Rusich and Wagner and then preen and prance.  You know Russia's claim of a Nazi state was a lie so you, in turn lie about what I said.

 

Again -- more Kremlin agitprop.  It's not a "US proxy war."  It's Russia's third invasion of Ukraine, and Ukraine is fighting back.  Its allies assist.  Was World War 2 a "US proxy war" when the U.S. was giving Russia (and others) enormous amounts of war material?

And, finally, I'm glad you admit Russia intentionally targets not only civilians but kids.

 

Tell me more about how this war not only will be won by Russia but ALREADY HAS BEEN WON by Russia.

 

If you'd like to turn down the sarcasm, we can return to a more serious conversation.  Tell me what "winning" means for Russia, and why you think Russia has already won.  I'll argue with you, but if you use actual fact-based arguments maybe we'll respect your effort.  And I'm always willing to take into account something I didn't already know.

I'm not Ukrainian. I've never lived in Ukraine. I've never even visited Ukraine.  But I'm pretty sure Russia could overrun the entire country if that's what they wanted to do.  But they don't.  To think they do is silly.  Nor do they want to continue on and re-establish the old Soviet Union or occupy all of Europe.  The old Soviet Union went bankrupt trying to hold it all together.  They won't try that again. 

 

As I understand it, Russia's primary concern is to establish a situation whereby they have a neutral buffer zone with no possibility of NATO missiles and no possibility of any other kind of foreign missiles on the Russian border.  Putin has been saying that for years.  And it makes sense.  Short and intermediate range missiles give their enemy an advantage, as  parts of Russia's strategic defense systems would be compromised. 

 

So that's one of their objectives.

 

In addition, they want a "de-Nazification" of Ukraine.  I guess they've had enough of those people over the years.  They still remember Hitler.  They won't let that happen again.  Makes sense to me. 

 

And they want the international community to recognize the fact that parts of what used to be Ukraine are now Russian.  Reality.  Ukraine won't get that territory back. 

 

Give them that, stop the war, and stop the killing.  That's the best Ukraine can expect, I'm afraid.  

 

Or do you think we should have to have WW III because Russia won and the world isn't fair? 

[ThreeCardMonte]

14 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

Hilarious -- you start insulting him for getting a commenter wrong and then you do the same.  He's Callum, not me.

True.  Lefties all look and sound alike.

[ThreeCardMonte]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Waste of time.

Bye.

oh, come on now!

 

Why do Democrats always have to disappear when the going gets tough.

 

Must be a carry over from the Biden fiasco.

 

Would it help if I asked you your favorite ice cream flavor?

[sandyf]

5 hours ago, thesetat said:

President Zelenskyy said any mineral exploitation by the US would need to be tied to security guarantees for Ukraine that would deter future Russian aggression. He wanted the guarantees about it to be included in the deal on paper. Trump refused. Then, Trump threw Zelenski when he came to sign the deal, out of the WH because he came to the WH to sign the deal but instead used the publicly displayed meeting to sign as his own shouting match with Trump shouting with Trump and arguing with him rather than signing the deal which was his reason for being there. 

Funny how the trumpeteers can put different spins on the same scenario.

The first deal was nothing more than a manipulated surrender.