Rejected Non O marriage visa application at CW because "haven't been married long enough".

[Tod Daniels]

Totally a common occurrence.

In order to get an in-country 90-day Non-O visa based on marriage to a thai you have to be married a minimum of 2 months.

 

There is no make a new appointment get a new immigration officer option. 😞 

 

That's the rule, that officer was not trying to break your balls, they were trying to tell how it works.

 

Do whatever you need to do to buy yourself the time so that you're married for 2 months and then go back and apply for the Visa without any issue

[michael888]

10 minutes ago, Tod Daniels said:

Totally a common occurrence.

In order to get an in-country 90-day Non-O visa based on marriage to a thai you have to be married a minimum of 2 months.

 

There is no make a new appointment get a new immigration officer option. 😞 

 

That's the rule, that officer was not trying to break your balls, they were trying to tell how it works.

 

Do whatever you need to do to buy yourself the time so that you're married for 2 months and then go back and apply for the Visa without any issue

Thank you for your reply.  This is the first I've heard of this.  I researched quite a bit before going to avoid pitfalls and never came across this information.  When you say, "There is no make a new appointment get a new immigration officer option", what would be the obstacle(s) and/ or repercussions for that course of action (if you know)?  Thanks  

[Rob Browder]

8 minutes ago, michael888 said:

Thank you for your reply.  This is the first I've heard of this.  I researched quite a bit before going to avoid pitfalls and never came across this information.  When you say, "There is no make a new appointment get a new immigration officer option", what would be the obstacle(s) and/ or repercussions for that course of action (if you know)?  Thanks  

I never heard of this, either - may be be specific to CW - certainly not written-down anywhere I have seen. 

 

Given their attitude, I would go out to Laos - Vientiane - and apply for the Non-O via eVisa online.  I just saw a report it was delivered by email the next-day:

 

Otherwise, you could do a border-bounce for a visa-exempt entry, using an agent-van to avoid the risks of that - then do the Non-O, with your "seasoned" marriage.

[thesetat]

3 hours ago, michael888 said:

What I am on about?  Just stating facts to see if anyone else was ever denied a marriage visa on the grounds of "not being married long enough". 

Also, to find out if anyone has successfully made a new appointment after a rejection (to try an application with a new IO), and if that was successful.  Not sure how I can state it any differently.  

I'm aware of the "visit wife" extention.

just go to another immigration office. I have never heard of being denied for just being married. I applied for mine the day after i was legally married. As long as you have the money in bank or all their requirements, they should not have reason to deny you except to be a nuisance. 

[KhaoHom]

Seems perfectly reasonable

 

Of course, you brought photos of your years together premarriage. Trips abroad together, you at family events ...

 

😂😂

[Caldera]

3 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Her bringing up the subject of your having children was not "totally random", nor "strange", it could have been particularly relevant and she was, perhaps, just trying to assist you.

 

Assist him by mentioning that having a child would help? As far as I understand, it takes nine months to "fix" this!

[Felton Jarvis]

3 hours ago, michael888 said:

What I am on about?  Just stating facts to see if anyone else was ever denied a marriage visa on the grounds of "not being married long enough". 

Also, to find out if anyone has successfully made a new appointment after a rejection (to try an application with a new IO), and if that was successful.  Not sure how I can state it any differently.  

I'm aware of the "visit wife" extention.

Thaiiand: world headquarters for "make it up as you go along".  Law and logic be damned.

[Wongkitlo]

1 hour ago, Rob Browder said:

I never heard of this, either - may be be specific to CW - certainly not written-down anywhere I have seen. 

 

Given their attitude, I would go out to Laos - Vientiane - and apply for the Non-O via eVisa online.  I just saw a report it was delivered by email the next-day:

 

Otherwise, you could do a border-bounce for a visa-exempt entry, using an agent-van to avoid the risks of that - then do the Non-O, with your "seasoned" marriage.

 

[Wongkitlo]

Hi. I made the report about the non o at Vientiane. I have the phone number of the agent if anyone wants to pm me. 

[Wongkitlo]

Just now, Wongkitlo said:

Hi. I made the report about the non o at Vientiane. I have the phone number of the agent if anyone wants to pm me. 

Sorry. This was meant to be a reply to @Rob Browder's post

[Sierra Tango]

4 hours ago, michael888 said:

What I am on about?  Just stating facts to see if anyone else was ever denied a marriage visa on the grounds of "not being married long enough". 

Also, to find out if anyone has successfully made a new appointment after a rejection (to try an application with a new IO), and if that was successful.  Not sure how I can state it any differently.  

I'm aware of the "visit wife" extention.

I suggest you read @terryq's post again. He wasn't having a go, he was just saying "I don't know what you are on now" which I would take as meaning what visa are you on now. If you are going to ask for help or advice, at least read replies through before reacting.

In the mean time, go for another type of visa / extention, as many have suggested and then take time to get your s<*t together for your marriage visa if you think that is best.

[BrandonJT]

You need to be married for 2 months according to Tod.  So apply for the 60-day "Visiting Thai Family" extension.  That's 2 months.  Theoretically that should give you enough time.  But I don't know if applying for non-O from that requires the 15 days like it does from visa exempt, so I would try to apply for that as late as possible since it will not be added to the end of your existing stamp but will start on the day you apply.

[DrJack54]

57 minutes ago, BrandonJT said:

But I don't know if applying for non-O from that requires the 15 days like it does from visa exempt, so I would try to apply for that as late as possible since it will not be added to the end of your existing stamp but will start on the day you apply.

He will require 15/21 days for Non O application as you correctly posted in this attached thread 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1342849-tourist-visa-exempt-then-apply-for-non-o-based-on-marriage/#findComment-19365691 

 

Regarding applying for a non O with less than 2 months marriage, I don't doubt Tod advice above however there have been posts that the 2 month for length of marriage has not been required.

I would like to read the rule of "two months minimum marriage to obtain a Non O"

I have not seen that 

 

The OP has two options. Obtain a 60 day extension (best option) OR

Obtain Non O from nearby consulate/embassy

[DrJack54]

Trolling post removed 

[Maestro]

Removed an off-topic post.

[norsurin]

7 hours ago, Rob Browder said:

 

 

Is he from India, or a similarly poor country, where "working illegally in Thailand" would be a step-up?   Otherwise, why would the IO factor in something like this?   If he was a "marriage scammer," what difference would 2 months wait make?

 

What is the worst that could happen, from the IO's POV?  He gets divorced, his permit-to-stay is immediately invalidated, and ... or, worst case, he stays in Thailand and spends money into the economy a bit longer, until the extension expires?

 

As this was the initial 90-day Non-O step, he will be back submitting the phone-book of paperwork again, in 90-days, for the 1-year extension.

 

This report matches a long-standing pattern of harassment and abuse of those extending by reason of marriage at some offices.  Immigration HATE doing marriage-visas, and generally hate the Thais who marry us.  Granted, the IOs in Issan, tend to be at least "civil" about it, in my experience.

I didn say that the OP is try making a fake marriage.When that said i think its more to this story then he want to tell.

The whole story how long time he been together with his wife and so on dont make any sense to me.

Just my opinion though.

[michael888]

1 hour ago, norsurin said:

I didn say that the OP is try making a fake marriage.When that said i think its more to this story then he want to tell.

The whole story how long time he been together with his wife and so on dont make any sense to me.

Just my opinion though.

What doesnt "make sense" Copernicus"? , enlighten me.

1 hour ago, norsurin said:

I didn say that the OP is try making a fake marriage.When that said i think its more to this story then he want to tell.

The whole story how long time he been together with his wife and so on dont make any sense to me.

Just my opinion though.

What doesnt make sense?  Like everyone on this forum always suggests to me  - be more specific.  What about this is confusing?  Odd.    

 

[Hummin]

7 hours ago, thesetat said:

just go to another immigration office. I have never heard of being denied for just being married. I applied for mine the day after i was legally married. As long as you have the money in bank or all their requirements, they should not have reason to deny you except to be a nuisance. 

Did they require your premarital story? Where  and when you met, how long dating,  how long living together, what you do together, language for communication ? 
 

pics needed? 
 

 

[michael888]

7 hours ago, thesetat said:

just go to another immigration office. I have never heard of being denied for just being married. I applied for mine the day after i was legally married. As long as you have the money in bank or all their requirements, they should not have reason to deny you except to be a nuisance. 

Thanks for your reply.  I'm pretty sure I have to go the the IMM office where we are living / will live, yes?    If you know differnt please let me know.  

 

[michael888]

6 hours ago, Wongkitlo said:

Hi. I made the report about the non o at Vientiane. I have the phone number of the agent if anyone wants to pm me. 

Thanks.  I will PM you.  It seems people just want to ridicule my post and doubt my marriage on this forum.  This website has changed I guess.  Oh well.  

[Maestro]

Removed an abusive post.

[Liquorice]

12 hours ago, Tod Daniels said:

Totally a common occurrence.

In order to get an in-country 90-day Non-O visa based on marriage to a thai you have to be married a minimum of 2 months.

Never heard of this 'common occurrence' before.

 

Over the years I've known a few enter VE, get married, then apply for the Non O at various Immigration offices without any such requirement being mentioned.

This must be specific to CW. Isn't the purpose of the home visit to ensure the marriage is demure and defacto.

[connda]

15 hours ago, NativeBob said:

My guess is IO was "free-wheeling" - making her own rules and requirements. Probably she heard something from somewhere and made a wrong assumption that "you should be married 2 or 3" months. 

I was married for three years while on a B-Visa and working.  Changing over was a piece of cake other than the female IO was just a hostile charmer.  If she was your g/f for that long, you had all the chances in the world to marry - and yet you didn't.  I think immigration looks at that and thinks the same thing as the three week marriage comes off as a possible scam. "Live together for 15 years" but don't marry???  Then suddenly marry and apply for an extension based on marriage three weeks later???  🤔 That's a poor look with "We married so I could get an extension based on marriage.  I take it you're not working any longer.  If you are, just stay on a work visa until you have a year of marriage under your belt.

 

I don't see this as Thai Immigration being irrational.

 

That's just poor planning on your part.  Why did you wait 15 years to get married.  Is your marriage "real" or did you marry her just to obtain a visa.  I'd even ask that question. Personally I don't understand long-term relationships with no marriage - it shows a lack of commitment.  Ah? So I can see the IO's point.  Even in my book, if you stay together for 15 years but decide to get married and then immediately apply for a marriage extension - well - it looks fishy OP.  I even think it looks fishy.  My guess is you're rightfully going to be under a microscope for awhile. Don't blame Immigration.  Put yourself in Thai Immigration's shoes.

My guess is you're going to be border hopping for awhile to come back and "visit" your wife until Immigration are convicted that you actually are committed to the marriage.  Or if still working (you're middle aged), so continue working stay.  You're going to have to prove the financial ability to stay here.

[kiwikeith]

15 hours ago, michael888 said:

I'm on a 60 day visa exempt, already have the 30 day extension- starts neek week.  No, it had nothing to do with the documents.  She said they were all in order.  Her entire issue was that we have only been married for 3 weeks.   

Her mention of approval (visa approval) if we had a child together was a totally random statement by her.  Quite strange.    

No normal if you have a child to your wife or gf with proof you can apply for a non o my friend has children with Thai gf and has no problems, I used to get non o from having a Thai son b4 I was married 

[kiwikeith]

14 minutes ago, connda said:

I was married for three years while on a B-Visa and working.  Changing over was a piece of cake other than the female IO was just a hostile charmer.  If she was your g/f for that long, you had all the chances in the world to marry - and yet you didn't.  I think immigration looks at that and thinks the same thing as the three week marriage comes off as a possible scam. "Live together for 15 years" but don't marry???  Then suddenly marry and apply for an extension based on marriage three weeks later???  🤔

 

That's just poor planning.  Why did you wait 15 years to get married.  Is your marriage "real" or did you marry her just to obtain a visa.  I'd even ask that question. Personally I don't understand long-term relationships with no marriage - it shows a lack of commitment.  Ah? So I can see the IO's point.  Even in my book, if you stay together for 15 years but decide to get married and then immediately apply for a marriage extension - well - it looks fishy OP.  I even think it looks fishy.  My guess is you're rightfully going to be under a microscope for awhile. 

My guess is you're going to be border hopping for awhile to come back and "visit" your wife until Immigration are convicted that you actually are committed to the marriage.

If you could show them proof of staying together photos references from friends and get a few more extensions then reapply maybe be OK 

[connda]

15 hours ago, michael888 said:

Her mention of approval (visa approval) if we had a child together was a totally random statement by her.  Quite strange.   

Haven't a child together shows commitment.  Having a g/f for 15 years and never marrying does not show commitment. 
So that statement is neither "random" nor "strange."  It's perfectly logical.  I hate to be Captain Obvious, but there you have it.
You're not going to get a marriage extension until they are convinced you are committed to the marriage and it's not a marriage of convenience (is it?).  It's all about perceptions my friend. I've been married for 18 years to my Thai wife so I'm not necessarily sympathetic, and your situation raises a whole lot of questions about your actual commitment to marriage.

Well - best of luck.

[DrJack54]

2 minutes ago, connda said:

Having a g/f for 15 years and never marrying does not show commitment.

Find your posts almost ridiculous.

 

 

[DrJack54]

Off topic post removed. 

[connda]

3 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Find your posts almost ridiculous.

 

I guess we look at marriage in a totally different light. Would you like to elaborate?  You find my posts ridiculous and yet provide no reason.  I provided a very rational reasons for my views.

I see marriage as a commitment.  And, I believe that Thai Immigration also sees marriage as a commitment. That is the purpose of the marriage extensions: To stay with and provide finance and emotional support for your Thai wife to whom you are committed. Marriage scams are a real thing, so Thai Immigration choose to use length of marriage as a measure to ascertain if the marriage is real or a scam. 

Staying with a women for 15 years doesn't show the same commitment as a legally binding union of marriage. 
We'll need to agree to disagree on this. 

[DrJack54]

3 minutes ago, connda said:

Staying with a women for 15 years doesn't show the same commitment as a legally binding union of marriage.

In your opinion.

In any event off topic.

 

The topic concerns a request from io to apply for Non O with minimum 2 months after marriage.

BTW yet to see that requirement stated anywhere in official rules.