… what a real anti-vaxxer sounds like

 

Source: https://drkevinstillwagon.substack.com/p/i-have-an-immune-system-no-vaccines

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It's seldom that I come across a piece that I completely agree with and addresses a complex and controversial issue without over-simplifying it.

But here a short and very worthwhile video/article by dedicated never-vaxxer dr Kevin Stillwagon.

A personal account in which he explains - in easy to understand laymen language - the sound reasons for his stance.

The different kinds of antidotes, the epithelial barrier, rabies and polio, all aspects and arguments are addressed in this 20 minute video (also rendered as a transcript if you prefer to read it). 

 

Here the link

> https://drkevinstillwagon.substack.com/p/i-have-an-immune-system-no-vaccines

 

Well, for the flu vaccine the reason so many people take it is because they don't take very good care of their health.

 

Also, there is a Vitamin D / sunlight deficiency in northern hemisphere. 

3 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Well, for the flu vaccine the reason so many people take it is because they don't take very good care of their health.

 

Also, there is a Vitamin D / sunlight deficiency in northern hemisphere. 

> Posting a ThumbsDown emoji and comment WITHOUT having read dr Stillwagon's arguments, clearly demonstrates the shallowness of your thinking.  

Keep on boosting, eventually you will face the consequences!

11 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

Posting a ThumbsDown emoji a

thumbs down was not from me.

 

Well, he's still wrong about polio, and there have been only about 20 cases of people who had rabies and lived. Compare that to how many got rabies and died. A tiny fraction were lucky. As far as the polio vaccine, it's easy to look up the stats of what happened before and after the vaccine was invented. ...........https://www.who.int/news-room/spotlight/history-of-vaccination/history-of-polio-vaccination.

23 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Well, for the flu vaccine the reason so many people take it is because they don't take very good care of their health.

 

Also, there is a Vitamin D / sunlight deficiency in northern hemisphere. 

Not if u sit in the sun for hours.

4 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Not if u sit in the sun for hours.

Not easy to sit in the sun when it's cold for 6 plus months a year. Less sun, shorter days, more clouds.

8 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

thumbs down was not from me.

 

Then I apologize, but still you did NOT read dr Stillwagon's arguments before posting your comment.,,

11 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

Keep on boosting, eventually you will face the consequences!

 

are you suggesting vaccines kill people? everyone in the west has had multiple vaccines from childhood and is still alive and most people live well into their 60s or more. and please don't tell me about covid vaccine deaths, because those stats are all fabricated. 

 

are you suggesting vaccines compromise immunity because of all the crap they put in there? ok, that might be somewhat more plausible. but the problem with that argument is the immune system is a constant battle over many decades. including bad food, lack of exercise ... even if vaccines cause some harm, you have plenty of time throughout your life to mitigate any harmful effects through diet and exercise.

 

you seem to post ONLY on vaccines and nothing else, as though vaccines are the most important and only indicator of health, and as though vaccines exist in a vaccuum and all the donuts people are eating have nothing to do with health problems. 

 

Be afraid of these guys.

 

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

Not easy to sit in the sun when it's cold for 6 plus months a year. Less sun, shorter days, more clouds.

Take vit D tablets.

2 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Then I apologize, but still you did NOT read dr Stillwagon's arguments before posting your comment.,,

I won't read it because the anti-vax position is just dumb. 

2 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

I won't read it because the anti-vax position is just dumb. 

QED

 

2 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

QED

 

 Get your vaxs. 

11 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

Then I apologize, but still you did NOT read dr Stillwagon's arguments before posting your comment.,,

 

I read part of it.

 

Then he goes on to talk about "serum antibodies".

 

Sorry, I don't have time to get a Phd in Biochemistry.

 

I can relate to one personal experience I had. 

I have always been curious about homeopathy, naturopathy.

So many years ago, I had a cat allergy and I went to a homeopath to see if they had anything for it.

She did give me something, and it works on a similar principle to vaccines.

That is, the homeopathic drops contained some "cat hairs" to prep my body for real cats. (obviously, it's crude and non-scientific, but it's the same principle as vaccines).

 

And it did work. That homeopathic remedy helped me with the cat allergies.

 

So again, I'm not going to continue reading this article because I don't have time to get a Phd in Biochemistry.

 

But from my own experience, shocking the system with a dose of poison so the body produces some anti-bodies does seem to work. 

 

Of course, there is some "poison" in the vaccines, but my guess is most human bodies are capable of tolerating it and recuperating from it. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

31 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

QED

 

Vaccines have been proven over decades that they have saved lives. There is no hard evidence that any have actually killed anyone who wasn't sick already. It's obvious to all of us here that you are anti-vax. That's fine, to each their own. You aren't going to convince anyone who has already taken a vaccine to stop. They're already in our bodies and there's nothing we can do about it.

 

Many people do not take care of themselves in a hundred different ways, and taking a vaccine isn't going to matter much anyway. The evidence shows that most of the people who died from Covid were not vaccinated. That's a pretty strong stat. By now, we all have either immunity from it, the vaccines helped or it didn't affect us anyway. 

 

As far as other vaccines, there is plenty of evidence they have saved millions of lives after they were introduced. the flu vaccine, one I've never taken myself, might have saved many also, especially those with weakened systems. people get weakened systems from an unhealthy lifestyle, and diseases can hurt them easier than if you did take care of yourself all of your life. A lot of un vaccinated healthy people, especially those in the medical field who were helping victims, died from Covid, which is another stat. Again, whoever has already taken the vaccine, or other vaccines as a child, this constant barrage of opinions about vaccines isn't going to affect. Thoss who are against vaccines, especially the Covid one, aren't going to take them anyway................https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/34869

9 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

I read part of it.

 

Then he goes on to talk about "serum antibodies".

 

Sorry, I don't have time to get a Phd in Biochemistry.

 

I can relate to one personal experience I had. 

I have always been curious about homeopathy, naturopathy.

So many years ago, I had a cat allergy and I went to a homeopath to see if they had anything for it.

She did give me something, and it works on a similar principle to vaccines.

That is, the homeopathic drops contained some "cat hairs" to prep my body for real cats. (obviously, it's crude and non-scientific, but it's the same principle as vaccines).

 

And it did work. That homeopathic remedy helped me with the cat allergies.

 

So again, I'm not going to continue reading this article because I don't have time to get a Phd in Biochemistry.

 

But from my own experience, shocking the system with a dose of poison so the body produces some anti-bodies does seem to work. 

 

Of course, there is some "poison" in the vaccines, but my guess is most human bodies are capable of tolerating it and recuperating from it. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Playing in the dirt as kids builds up immune system

11 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

Playing in the dirt as kids builds up immune system

 

Don't stop playing in the dirt. Keep playing in the dirt. 

 

12 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

Keep on boosting, eventually you will face the consequences!

Also, mRNA is a completely different category of vaccine.

I'm not even sure it's a good idea to equate it to other types of vaccines.

 

Also, I've posted this several times but you continue to ignore it or dimiss is a "fake news".

But not only is there a possibility that mRNA does NOT kill you, there is a possibility that it will be used as a cure for cancer and other illnesses.

 

What research have you done to suggest that all these mRNA cancer cure claims are fake news? 

 

The Covid-19 pandemic traumatized people and societies, but it also spurred medical advances in a very big way. Perhaps nowhere as much as in the field of vaccines, where a groundbreaking new platform based on molecules called messenger RNA saved millions of lives. Now the technology is coming into its own in other areas, like as a possible treatment for another killer: pancreatic cancer.

 

 

The DR. is a retired chiropractor.

1 hour ago, Red Phoenix said:

… what a real anti-vaxxer sounds like

 

Source: https://drkevinstillwagon.substack.com/p/i-have-an-immune-system-no-vaccines

= = =

 

It's seldom that I come across a piece that I completely agree with and addresses a complex and controversial issue without over-simplifying it.

But here a short and very worthwhile video/article by dedicated never-vaxxer dr Kevin Stillwagon.

A personal account in which he explains - in easy to understand laymen language - the sound reasons for his stance.

The different kinds of antidotes, the epithelial barrier, rabies and polio, all aspects and arguments are addressed in this 20 minute video (also rendered as a transcript if you prefer to read it). 

 

Here the link

> https://drkevinstillwagon.substack.com/p/i-have-an-immune-system-no-vaccines

 

What does a chiropractor know about immunology? It's like saying a Formula 1 driver can do brain surgery.

 

Fat chance this idiot will visit Pakistan or Afghanistan, to test his immune system.

IF the Dr. is right ,then why do we need Dr's , patient  heal yourself....

Red Phonix keeps pulling up these quacks ,with quack theories, I 

wish he would stop.... 

 

regards worgeordie

This is the reason to wear a mask. 

19 minutes ago, worgeordie said:

IF the Dr. is right ,then why do we need Dr's , patient  heal yourself....

Red Phonix keeps pulling up these quacks ,with quack theories, I 

wish he would stop.... 

 

regards worgeordie

I havent been to a dr in 4 years

1 hour ago, Red Phoenix said:

Then I apologize, but still you did NOT read dr Stillwagon's arguments before posting your comment.,,

 

We need a <deleted> emoji !

 

Lumping all vaccines into one group called 'vaccines' over-simplifies the situation.

 

There are 'live' vaccines which contain a tiny amount of the pathogen.  These trigger our immune system into producing antibodies, thus increasing our protection should we become infected with that pathogen in the future.  (Note - vaccinations do not stop you contracting the illness - they simply allow your immune system to tackle it head-on before the pathogen causes serious illness symptoms).

 

There are 'dead' vaccines which contain completely inert 'dead' pathogen, and therefore can do your body no harm, but fool the immune system into thinking that your body is being attacked by said pathogen, and therefore produce antibodies.  (Actually, the immune system is a little 'stupid' - it can be tricked into thinking some harmless substances are dangerous to our body, think of food allergies etc).

 

Then there are vaccines which contain no live or dead pathogen, but contain some man-made substance that 'looks like' the pathogen, but obviously can't infect one with the real pathogen.

 

Some bacteria are dangerous and some bacteria are not, but all viruses are harmful to some extent - there are no good viruses.  The problem with viruses is that they are physically very small, much smaller than a bacteria cell.  This means - in simple terms - that if you are infected with a virus, your immune system wastes important time searching for what is making you sick - it's a virus hiding inside your cells.  For this reason, vaccinations are very important to fight virus pathogens, because they forewarn your immune system of what each virus looks like (every virus has a unique pattern, I think Covid virus has a triangular 'key' shape).  Therefore the Covid vaccination (live, dead or man-made) informed the immune system "Hey bro, if you ever find this pattern hiding in your cells, zap it!!".

 

Since each virus has a different pattern shape, you need a different vaccination to protect your body against each virus.  That's why you need vaccinations against common viruses such as:

 

Chickenpox

Covid

Polio

Measles, mumps, rubella

Hepatitis

Flu

HPV (for females)

 

and so on....

 

For a very small number of persons, the immune system may react violently against this 'foreign body' (vaccine) entering one's body.  That's very sad, but the number of people adversely affected by vaccinations is statistically very small.

This came today...........https://www.yahoo.com/news/shingles-vaccine-unexpected-effect-heart-193943612.html.

4 hours ago, save the frogs said:

Also, mRNA is a completely different category of vaccine.

I'm not even sure it's a good idea to equate it to other types of vaccines.

 

Also, I've posted this several times but you continue to ignore it or dimiss is a "fake news".

But not only is there a possibility that mRNA does NOT kill you, there is a possibility that it will be used as a cure for cancer and other illnesses.

 

What research have you done to suggest that all these mRNA cancer cure claims are fake news? 

 

The Covid-19 pandemic traumatized people and societies, but it also spurred medical advances in a very big way. Perhaps nowhere as much as in the field of vaccines, where a groundbreaking new platform based on molecules called messenger RNA saved millions of lives. Now the technology is coming into its own in other areas, like as a possible treatment for another killer: pancreatic cancer.

 

 

 

You are hopelessly confused...

4 hours ago, worgeordie said:

IF the Dr. is right ,then why do we need Dr's , patient  heal yourself....

Red Phonix keeps pulling up these quacks ,with quack theories, I 

wish he would stop.... 

 

regards worgeordie

 

I am not forcing you to read my posts.  Put me on ignore, if it bothers you as I will not stop posting. 

Stillwagon is not a medical doctor and has no  medical training. He completed a chiropractor training program. He  hasn't even practiced  his bone cracking nonsense for decades and is not licensed.  To call him a doctor is to try and mislead people, but then when you are promoting false information it should not come as a surprise.

5 hours ago, save the frogs said:

 

I read part of it.

 

Then he goes on to talk about "serum antibodies".

 

Sorry, I don't have time to get a Phd in Biochemistry.

 

I can relate to one personal experience I had. 

I have always been curious about homeopathy, naturopathy.

So many years ago, I had a cat allergy and I went to a homeopath to see if they had anything for it.

She did give me something, and it works on a similar principle to vaccines.

That is, the homeopathic drops contained some "cat hairs" to prep my body for real cats. (obviously, it's crude and non-scientific, but it's the same principle as vaccines).

 

And it did work. That homeopathic remedy helped me with the cat allergies.

 

So again, I'm not going to continue reading this article because I don't have time to get a Phd in Biochemistry.

 

But from my own experience, shocking the system with a dose of poison so the body produces some anti-bodies does seem to work. 

 

Of course, there is some "poison" in the vaccines, but my guess is most human bodies are capable of tolerating it and recuperating from it. 

 

 

At least you made the effort to read part of dr Stillwagon's article, and for that I commend you. 

Re your comparison of innoculation and homeopathy > Yes, on the surface they look somewhat same.

Homeopathy is based on the principle that "similia similibus curentur" meaning "like is cured by like." In homeopathy by administering a diluted (infinitesimally small) amount of the right substance in the right dosage, that will cure you.  The incorrect substance or the incorrect dilution will have no effect on you, as the homeopath is looking for what 'you are missing'. 

But that's about where the comparison stops. 

While homeopathy is typically taken orally, with vaccination you are by-passing the epithelial barrier by injecting the substance, which would otherwise be rejected by your outside protective layer.

Also, the 'substance' in the most potent form of homeopathy is diluted to such a degree that not a single molecule of that substance remains.  And that's the main reason, in spite of its often spectacular successes when the right substance in the right dosage was administered, that current materialistic medicine, rejects homeopathy as quackery.  They simlay do not understand the potentialization process in which the information of the substance remains, while material analysis shows that there is 'nothing' in it any more).  

Vaccination on the other hand provides a clearly detectable substance, and not only that but each vaccine contains a bunch of (often toxic) adjuvants to ensure the substance will be 'accepted' by your body, irrespective whether you need it. 

 

While I dismiss vaccination in ALL its forms (yes also rabies, polio, flu vaccines as well as the Covid-19 gen-therapy), I am a strong supporter of the homeopathic principle.