Huge crowd piles pressure on Dutch government to seek an end to Israel's campaign in Gaza

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

On several levels there are ties between the Dutch with Israel and Israeli institutions.

So your statement is incorrect.

I disagree with your belief there is no influence. The conclusion you feel you can draw from my statement is yours, there is no causation.

[Yellowtail]

10 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

International Humanitarion Law.

 

In addition, Israel is defying an order from the International Court of Justice that they take:

 

“immediate and effective measures” to protect Palestinians in the occupied Gaza Strip from the risk of genocide by ensuring sufficient humanitarian assistance and enabling basic services'

 

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/02/israel-defying-icj-ruling-to-prevent-genocide-by-failing-to-allow-adequate-humanitarian-aid-to-reach-gaza/

 

I'm a litte surprised by your question - I thought it was common knowledge.  In addition Netanyahu is on record as stating that he will not comply.

 

https://www.justsecurity.org/110716/humanitarian-aid-gaza-israel-supreme-court/

 

I could provide you with reams of evidence but its all freely available and its quite clear that intermational law obligates Israel to provide humanitarian assistance to Gaza's civillian population. 

 

 

So you have no idea, yet you pretend it's a fact. It is not. 

[MangoKorat]

Just now, Yellowtail said:

So you have no idea, yet you pretend it's a fact. It is not. 

Why do I have no idea?  I have provided you with an ICJ ruling!!!

[Yellowtail]

10 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

They have stated as much yes - what's your point?

Do you think Israel, and those that support Israel wish to eradicate the Gaza/the Palestinians? 

[MangoKorat]

19 hours ago, proton said:

There is NO Palestine, and never was

So there is no USA and never was also?

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, MangoKorat said:

Why do I have no idea?  I have provided you with an ICJ ruling!!!

You claimed it was a law, what law? 

 

And you did not link to a ruling, you linked to a couple articles. 

[MangoKorat]

3 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Do you think Israel, and those that support Israel wish to eradicate the Gaza/the Palestinians? 

Yes

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

Why do I have no idea?  I have provided you with an ICJ ruling!!!

Based on a false premise by Amnesty that Israel needs to provide aid. 

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, MangoKorat said:

Yes

What is that based on? And if it is true, what's stopping them? 

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

Yes

Proof you have zero clue and are living in cloud cuckoo land. 

[MangoKorat]

Just now, Yellowtail said:

You claimed it was a law, what law? 

 

And you did not link to a ruling, you linked to a couple articles. 

 

The rulings are contained within the bloody articles!!!

 

Listen, it is common knowledge that Israel have broken/are breaking international laws - both criminal and humanitarian. There are arrest warrants out for both Netanyahu and the leaders of Hamas.

 

The fact is that Israel has broken/is breaking International Humanitarian Law as applicable to an occupying force. It has also broken the law on rules of combat that state that a civillian population must not be targeted.

 

I've debated with people like you before and I'm pretty sure that even if I delivered the actual rulings to your door, you would not back down and apologise. I am quite happy that I am correct in that Israel have/are breaking both International Humanitarian Law and the rules on combat.

 

I am not in the habit of debating facts with someone who, even if the law was in front of them, would still argue with it.  I have work to do, thanks.

[Yellowtail]

7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Proof you have zero clue and are living in cloud cuckoo land. 

Indeed. Israel could have eradicated the Palestinians a year ago. 

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

 

The rulings are contained within the bloody articles!!!

 

Listen, it is common knowledge that Israel have broken/are breaking international laws - both criminal and humanitarian. There are arrest warrants out for both Netanyahu and the leaders of Hamas.

 

The fact is that Israel has broken/is breaking International Humanitarian Law as applicable to an occupying force. It has also broken the law on rules of combat that state that a civillian population must not be targeted.

 

I've debated with people like you before and I'm pretty sure that even if I delivered the actual rulings to your door, you would not back down and apologise. I am quite happy that I am correct in that Israel have/are breaking both International Humanitarian Law and the rules on combat.

 

I am not in the habit of debating facts with someone who, even if the law was in front of them, would still argue with it.  I have work to do, thanks.

I have posted the actual law to you before and you ignored it. Head in sand.  Oh the irony of your rants

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, MangoKorat said:

 

The rulings are contained within the bloody articles!!!

 

Listen, it is common knowledge that Israel have broken/are breaking international laws - both criminal and humanitarian. There are arrest warrants out for both Netanyahu and the leaders of Hamas.

 

The fact is that Israel has broken/is breaking International Humanitarian Law as applicable to an occupying force. It has also broken the law on rules of combat that state that a civillian population must not be targeted.

 

I've debated with people like you before and I'm pretty sure that even if I delivered the actual rulings to your door, you would not back down and apologise. I am quite happy that I am correct in that Israel have/are breaking both International Humanitarian Law and the rules on combat.

 

I am not in the habit of debating facts with someone who, even if the law was in front of them, would still argue with it.  I have work to do, thanks.

You claimed it was a law, yet you can't link to the law. 

 

You claimed you linked to a ruling, yet you could not link to the ruling. 

 

Now you are pretending it's somehow my fault you are making false claims. All you have to do link to the law and link to the ruling, but you can't. All you can do is link to other people making the same claims. 

 

It is always amusing when people like you speak if facts. 

[BangkokReady]

On 5/19/2025 at 4:38 PM, Mike_Hunt said:

Imagine a bunch of terrorists next door crossing the border and killing 1200 of your citizens. 

 

Next door???

[Evil Penevil]

@MangoKorat  Israeli settlements in the West Bank and Golan Heights is a very relevant topic in any discussion of Israel, but it is way off topic in terms of this thread.  I'll answer your questions as briefly as I can because I'm not sure how extensive a discussion the mods will allow.  But before I do,  I'll acknowledge the settlements are a disputed policy among Jews inside and outside Israel.  Non-Jewish supporters of Israel also have sharply differing opinions on Israeli settlements beyond the pre-1967 borders,  I myself feel it is unwise and with a few exceptions, does more harm than good.

 

1 hour ago, MangoKorat said:

  ... to get a grasp of where you are coming from - what's your explanation of the fact that Jewish 'settlers' often with the blessing and assistance of the Jewish State are stealing land in the West Bank?  It is a noted fact that these 'settlers' have been involved in the murder of previous occupants of the land they steal. 

Three main motivations exist for Israeli settlements on the territory won in 1967 in the Six-Day War:  1) improving Israel's security through settlements and "outposts;"  2) religious beliefs held by strictly orthodox Haredi Jews, the group to which many settlers belong; and 3) reclaiming settlements that historically once had been Jewish. 

("Resettlement of former Jewish communities,"   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlement).

 

Most  Israelis would say the land had been expropriated for security reasons or reclaimed  rather than stolen.  Some Palestinians have been attacked and even killed by Israeli settlers.  That's unfortunate, very unfortunate,  but the number isn't large in the context of the Israel-Palestine conflict.  Far more Israelis have been killed in terrorist attacks.

 

1 hour ago, MangoKorat said:

What contribution do you think the 'settlers' and their actions have made to the situation in Palestine over the last few years?

No doubt, Israeli settlers have inflamed the overall conflict.

 

1 hour ago, MangoKorat said:

Do you think that Israel's virtual takeover of Jerusalem, supported by Trumps moving of the US Embassy to that city was at all imflamatory? By what right does Israel lay claim to Jerusalem?

Yes, the takeover of Jerusalem has certainly inflamed Palestinians.  Israel lays claim to Jerusalem because it was conquered and made the "capital" of the Kingdom of Israel by King David in Biblical times.  Jerusalem contains the Temple Mount, considered the holiest site in Judaism.  However,  Jerusalem is regarded as a holy city by Christians and Muslims as well, which complicates the situation considerably.

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, MangoKorat said:

 

Listen, it is common knowledge that Israel have broken/are breaking international laws - both criminal and humanitarian. There are arrest warrants out for both Netanyahu and the leaders of Hamas.

 

 

   Arrest warrants do not mean a person is guilty of any crime .

That can only be certified by a Court of Law .

They would need to be found guilty in a Court of law before you can say they've broken the law

[safarimike11]

On 5/20/2025 at 9:17 AM, billd766 said:

Good for the Dutch people. At least they care.

 

Now the rest of the peoples in the world need to do the same.

It would be interesting to know how many of these protesters are actually Dutch...

[Yellowtail]

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Arrest warrants do not mean a person is guilty of any crime .

That can only be certified by a Court of Law .

They would need to be found guilty in a Court of law before you can say they've broken the law

Arrest warrants from a "court" not recognized by Israel or the United States. 

[Nick Carter icp]

2 hours ago, MangoKorat said:

 

The fact is that Israel has broken/is breaking International Humanitarian Law as applicable to an occupying force. It has also broken the law on rules of combat that state that a civillian population must not be targeted.

 

 

 

   The civilian population in Gaza hasn't been targeted though .

The civilian casualties in the Gaza war have been less than in other wars .

Israel have done well to keep the civilian casualties so low 

[Evil Penevil]

10 hours ago, billd766 said:

So prove me wrong with facts, figures and verifiable links instead of failing to answer the question? Or is your unsupported word supposed to be good enough?

 

@billd766  I realize you didn't aim the above quote at me, but I'll take a shot at answering it.

 

You have to distinguish between the use of the word Palestine as the name of a geographic region and its use in reference to a "political entity" such a nation or kingdom or province thereof.  According to a heavy-duty source, the Encyclopedia Britannica:  "After Roman times the name [Palestine] had no official status until after World War I and the end of rule by the Ottoman Empire, when it was adopted for one of the regions mandated to Great Britain."  https://www.britannica.com/place/Palestine

 

There had never been an independent kingdom, nation, country or state called Palestine before the PLO declared the creation of the State of Palestine in 1988.  It's true people have lived for millennia in the geographic area we today call Palestine and these people could have been the ancestors of some current Palestinians as well as ancestors of some Israeli Jews, but they didn't have a country.  You have to go back to Biblical times and the Iron Age to find centuries in which people who were actually born in historical Palestine ruled  the region.  That would be the Kingdoms of  Israel  and Judah.

 

Arabs living in Mandatory Palestine had been offered a state under the 1947 U.N. partition plan, but the Arab League rejected the plan.  What Israel took over on  May 14, 1948, was the territory allotted to the Jewish state under the United Nation's partition plan for Mandatory Palestine, which at that time was under British control.   Before the U.K. received the Mandate for Palestine from the League of Nations, the Ottoman Empire had ruled the region we today call historical Palestine since 1516 CE.  

https://www.bloomberg.com/explainers/israel-hamas-war-history-of-israeli-palestinian-conflict-explained

 

Prior to the  Turks, the rulers had been the Mamluk Sultanate; Ayyubid Dynasty; European Crusaders; Fatimid Caliphate; Mongol Empire;  Abbasid Caliphate; Umayyad Caliphate;  Rashidun Caliphate; Byzantine Empire; Roman Empire; Seleucid Empire; Ptolemaic Kingdom; Achaemenid (Persian) Empire; Babylonian Empire and Assyrian Empire.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine

 

Bottom line:  A geographic region called Palestine- Yes.  A country called Palestine before  1988- No.

[Nick Carter icp]

3 hours ago, MangoKorat said:

International Humanitarion Law.

In addition, Israel is defying an order from the International Court of Justice that they take:

“immediate and effective measures” to protect Palestinians in the occupied Gaza Strip from the risk of genocide by ensuring sufficient humanitarian assistance and enabling basic services'

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/02/israel-defying-icj-ruling-to-prevent-genocide-by-failing-to-allow-adequate-humanitarian-aid-to-reach-gaza/

 

 

   Your report is from 15 months ago and Israel has complied with all the UNs requests 

[Magictoad]

On 5/20/2025 at 9:56 AM, bannork said:

"Tens of thousands join pro-Palestine protest in London for Nakba anniversary | UK News | Sky News" https://news.sky.com/story/tens-of-thousands-join-pro-palestine-protest-in-london-for-nakba-anniversary-13370022

These demonstrations allow the police and the Special Branch to Monitor the extremists in our society. 

[Magictoad]

On 5/20/2025 at 5:48 PM, Bkk Brian said:

Why are you placing conditions on the release of  hostages? That's just parroting Hamas, why are you doing that? Vile

Too many people have been brainwashed by Hamas propaganda. The sad thing is - they mean we'll.

[safarimike11]

1 hour ago, safarimike11 said:

It would be interesting to know how many of these protesters are actually Dutch...

(Majority probably bussed in - bused in if you prefer - from the immigrant slums in Rotterdam).

[bannork]

Let's see, so far the British PM and Foreign Minister, Spanish PM, Canadian PN and French President have criticised Israel's actions in Gaza strongly. 

Thousands of demonstrators marched through London last weekend and The Hague.

Israel's actions of mass bombings resulting in huge civilian casualties, plus the seemingly deliberate policy of starvation under Netanayu, has resulted in Israel's reputation taking a nosedive.

Once seen as a civilised nation, with respect earned as a nation born from the Holocaust, it is now seen as no better than Hamas, brutal and merciless.  

[bannork]

Northern Ireland’s First Minister Michelle O’Neill has written to Sir Keir to express her “deep concern regarding the ongoing Israeli genocide in Gaza”.

She said she acknowledged the joint statement issued by the British, French and Canadian governments, but said there is now an “urgent responsibility on world leaders to take serious action”.

“We need an immediate and meaningful escalation in political and economic sanctions to pressure Israel to halt its military operations and comply with international humanitarian law,” she said.

Starmer pressed to ‘impose the strongest possible sanctions on Israel’

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

Has S,Landreth entered the building ?

[ChaiyaTH]

2 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   The civilian population in Gaza hasn't been targeted though .

The civilian casualties in the Gaza war have been less than in other wars .

Israel have done well to keep the civilian casualties so low 

Stop talking BS already, it is in fact the exact opposite lmao.

 

• Density: Gaza is one of the most densely populated areas in the world.

• Displacement: Near total — almost all 2.3 million residents displaced.

• Infrastructure: Entire cities leveled; most hospitals, schools, and water facilities destroyed.

• Child deaths: Among the highest proportions seen in modern conflicts.

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, ChaiyaTH said:

Stop talking BS already, it is in fact the exact opposite lmao.

 

• Density: Gaza is one of the most densely populated areas in the world.

• Displacement: Near total — almost all 2.3 million residents displaced.

• Infrastructure: Entire cities leveled; most hospitals, schools, and water facilities destroyed.

• Child deaths: Among the highest proportions seen in modern conflicts.

 

    You have changed the subject .

We were talking about civilian deaths