Motorcysle - Who is at fault?

[Ken444]

[KhunBENQ]

Why would the rider from the side road NOT be at fault?

Would be my question.

 

It's simply careless overlooking of traffic on the main road.

Main road: the solid white line on the side road should be enough to understand regardless of common sense.

 

[SAFETY FIRST]

Incompetent rider, going to fast for the road conditions 

 

It could have been a dog on the side of the road, rider needs to slow down if unable to react or manoeuvre around obstacles 

[Ken444]

I will tell what the Police said soon

 

[PJ71]

2 minutes ago, Ken444 said:

I willl tell what the Police said soon

 

Can't wait.

 

Good to see they had a helmet on, there seems to be more and more without these days for some reason.

[Ken444]

Police told her (after 3 hours at the station - before going to hospital) That no one was at fault as she did not hit the other bike - even though the other bike rider was an unlicensed schoolgirl and pulled out without looking - they would not track her down.

[KhunBENQ]

2 minutes ago, Ken444 said:

Police told her (after 3 hours at the station - before going to hospital) That no one was at fault as she did not hit the other bike - even though the other bike rider was an unlicensed schoolgirl and pulled out without looking - they would not track her down.

That's a good one a la Thai 🤣

Just swipe it under the carpet.

[stupidfarang]

at least the rider stopped and went and helped her up, normally they just ride off. 

[MartinL]

6 minutes ago, Ken444 said:

Police told her (after 3 hours at the station - before going to hospital) That no one was at fault as she did not hit the other bike - even though the other bike rider was an unlicensed schoolgirl and pulled out without looking - they would not track her down.

It seems to me that the rider on the main road DID hit the other bike, albeit just a touch of their front wheels. But the police have made their decision so that's that.

 

BTW, the "unlicenced schoolgirl" then compounds her bad riding by leaving her bike stationary in the middle of the road rather than pulling to the side in the clearly marked shoulder of the road. But she at least had the decency not to drive away without checking on her victim.

[KhunBENQ]

Now imagine, you - the foreigner - drove a car and killed the little girl...

[CharlieH]

And if it was a farang it would be their fault!  "If you weren't in Thailand it wouldn't of happened" 😀

[happysoul]

There is fault both sides. The teen girl should have stopped 1m before but at least she stopped. Her driving is dangerous and she should learn how to stop in a crossing.

The one who fell down is also at fault as there was way enough room to avoid her. The latter did 2 mistakes : took the front brake way to hard moreover on wet road and she probably kept looking at the obstacle (teenage girl) instead of looking at where she could go to avoid her. This is a common mistake when driving : never stare at the obstacle but look where you can escape, the bike will follow your sight. It takes some experience to keep calm and be able to do it.

Hopefully all can still stand up and walk.

Cheers

[Ken444]

34 minutes ago, stupidfarang said:

at least the rider stopped and went and helped her up, normally they just ride off. 

Yeah, but she then ran of when the lady that was helping asked for details 

 

[impulse]

7 minutes ago, happysoul said:

There is fault both sides. The teen girl should have stopped 1m before but at least she stopped. Her driving is dangerous and she should learn how to stop in a crossing.

The one who fell down is also at fault as there was way enough room to avoid her. The latter did 2 mistakes : took the front brake way to hard moreover on wet road and she probably kept looking at the obstacle (teenage girl) instead of looking at where she could go to avoid her. This is a common mistake when driving : never stare at the obstacle but look where you can escape, the bike will follow your sight. It takes some experience to keep calm and be able to do it.

Hopefully all can still stand up and walk.

Cheers

 

One of them clearly violated the law.  The other one didn't.

 

[Ken444]

Just now, impulse said:

 

One of them clearly violated the law.  The other one didn't.

 

I think you are correct, violated the law twice by not checking and not being licensed

 

[proton]

So the police are happy to let the kid keep on riding illegally then?

[JBChiangRai]

What you witnessed is legally called a “miss and run”.

 

The rider entering the carriageway from the stop/give way sign is 100% responsible for the accident. It’s not necessary for he/she to be hit.

[impulse]

42 minutes ago, MartinL said:

It seems to me that the rider on the main road DID hit the other bike, albeit just a touch of their front wheels. But the police have made their decision so that's that.

 

I think their decision was based on expedience and not the law. 

 

Where's the money in tracking down an unknown rider just to fine her 500 baht?

 

[roo860]

Obviously the road should take the blame for being wet 😀

[scubascuba3]

The person pulling out was at fault, but the rider going straight looks like a noob, too fast through junction, could of even moved slightly right making their intention known

[seajae]

technically by the road laws the unlicensed rider is at fault, she should have stopped and waited for the main road rider to go, not moved out into the main road, doesnt matter how you spin it she should have been charged by the police. Trouble is in Thailand many drivers/riders coming out of side streets  try to force their way onto the main road instead of waiting as in this case, the fact she did not have a license made it even more rediculous for the police to let her go, also leaving the scene is another mark against her and just shows her arrogance, goes to show how pathetic thai police really are

[impulse]

24 minutes ago, seajae said:

the fact she did not have a license made it even more rediculous for the police to let her go

 

As I understand the story, the cops didn't let her go.  She rode off and they later decided not to expend the resources to track her down to fine her 500 or 1000 baht.

 

 

[Ken444]

6 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

As I understand the story, the cops didn't let her go.  She rode off and they later decided not to expend the resources to track her down to fine her 500 or 1000 baht.

 

 

The police did not attend

[Ken444]

38 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

The person pulling out was at fault, but the rider going straight looks like a noob, too fast through junction, could of even moved slightly right making their intention known

30 years riding

[Ken444]

1 hour ago, proton said:

So the police are happy to let the kid keep on riding illegally then?

Correct  - they have to get to school you know lol

[alien365]

I don't understand why the schoolgirl didn't stop at the broken line. You can see she stopped before it, but then accelerated out. Was there a solid white line before that on the road too, potentially a traffic light at the junction with it being that far back, or just bad road markings?

[madone]

2 hours ago, KhunBENQ said:

Now imagine, you - the foreigner - drove a car and killed the little girl...

But that is not what happened. 

Imagine you just discussed the topic without trying to introduce your own agenda.

[scubascuba3]

2 hours ago, Ken444 said:

30 years riding

have you assessed the accident to work out if there's anything you could have done to avoid it? 

[SAFETY FIRST]

4 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Incompetent rider, going to fast for the road conditions 

 

It could have been a dog on the side of the road, rider needs to slow down if unable to react or manoeuvre around obstacles 

Looking at the video again, the rider avoids a collision but she has locked up her front wheel, causing her to fall. 

 

Just because you have been issued a licence to ride doesn't mean you are competent to manage the many daily challenges. 

 

 

[thailand49]

I have seen many such accident in my years of living and driving here 20 years.

 

Police reasoning is why the driving in this country the way it is and a major reason it has to be change first and foremost train the police force as to what their current motor vehicle code suppose to be and enforce it.

 

Based on what I see, surprise both are wearing 29 baht rain gear and helmet. 

 

As we can see it was raining. The girl although not license therefore in theory shouldn't by even Thai law suppose to be on the road and if not this particular accident wouldn't have happened.🤣

 

To her credit she did stop and proceed at the horizontal line which is the same as a stop sign, Stop and proceed with caution. The other rider didn't seem to be going beyond the speed limit which on this road I guess would be 40-50, because of rain in the west we are educated slow down and use caution 🤣 but not here.  I've seen many of these types of accident!

 

The biker that went down by law had the right away but watching the footage and counting she had plenty of time to slow down and avoid but like many I've seen but condition to demand the right away to the point as if they intentionally want to hit the object as this video shows. Most likely was never trained to look seconds ahead instead raining too was looking down this is the habit of Thai drivers.

 

Regardless, like always the police has no clue never been trained explain things the same way they themselves drive. Regardless of the girl not looking forward enough the other driver had no license therefore should not have been on the road.

 

The police explanation are nonsense and I've been in situation for others that have challenge their explanation as to why particular a farang should pay for the accidents. I've heard reason that are far far laughable at best, like you would feel better if you pay since you have the money and they don't. I once told the police I would feel better if I could just slap you and your job is to enforce the Thai law not make up this is Thailand nonsense. In the end of this particular case with a friend said next time you want us to come down to your station I will bring lawyers with us, case closed never heard from them again but at the same time can't get <deleted> out of an empty <deleted>ter my buddy insurance had to cover the damage for his vehicle.

 

This case is clear for me at least!