Finally a MAGA point of view i can relate to.

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

Yes, but it keeps some who would be tempted to just use the cash for other things to use it for food. Not everyone has someone who will trade cash for food stamps. Making it easier to use it for drugs by just giving them cash has them not thinking otherwise. People hooked on drugs will do it anyway. There's also those who buy cigarettes instead of food for their kids, as addictions are hard to keep at bay. I understand if you give money to legitimate buyers they'll use it for food but humans are easily tempted.

Why do you assume the poor are stupid and do not care about their children? 

 

There are places everywhere that will take SNAP for alcohol and cigarettes. Sure, instead of getting a case, they only get a twelve-pack, but they do not care. You seem a bit naive.

 

Again. treating parents like children makes little sense to me. Just give them the money. 

 

[fredwiggy]

7 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Why do you assume the poor are stupid and do not care about their children? 

 

There are places everywhere that will take SNAP for alcohol and cigarettes. Sure, instead of getting a case, they only get a twelve-pack, but they do not care. You seem a bit naive.

 

Again. treating parents like children makes little sense to me. Just give them the money. 

 

Where did I say that? Some well off people don't care about their children. It's all individual. And no places accept Snap for cigarettes and alcohol legally. It's against the law Of course there are some stores that will break the law and trade them, but that happens with anything that can be traded, although illegally. Naive? Hardly.. .........https://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/eligible-food-items.

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

Where did I say that? Some well off people don't care about their children. It's all individual. And no places accept Snap for cigarettes and alcohol. It's against the law. .........https://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/eligible-food-items.

I never said it was legal to buy cigarettes and alcohol with SNAP, I said there were stores everywhere where you could. 

 

If the law works so well, just make it illegal to spend the SNAP money on anything but food. 

 

You know you can used SNAP to buy pop and chips and whatnot, yes? 

[fredwiggy]

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

I never said it was legal to buy cigarettes and alcohol with SNAP, I said there were stores everywhere where you could. 

 

If the law works so well, just make it illegal to spend the SNAP money on anything but food. 

 

You know you can used SNAP to buy pop and chips and whatnot, yes? 

The link states what it can buy. There are surely stores where people do things illegally, but guessing they're everywhere doesn't work. There are a lot of stores in everywhere and I've never seen it happen once in all the countless times I've been in stores in most states in the US. How would you make it illegal to spend cash someone gave you on things besides food? That's a bit naive thinking. Better to use a card than SNAP cash, if they would make such a thing. There are people who give their cards, with the pin,  to others and they give them cash, but it's still more reliable than using cash or giving people cash they can misuse easily.

[Yellowtail]

10 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

The link states what it can buy. There are surely stores where people do things illegally, but guessing they're everywhere doesn't work. There are a lot of stores in everywhere and I've never seen it happen once in all the countless times I've been in stores in most states in the US. How would you make it illegal to spend cash someone gave you on things besides food? That's a bit naive thinking. Better to use a card than SNAP cash, if they would make such a thing. There are people who give their cards, with the pin,  to others and they give them cash, but it's still more reliable than using cash or giving people cash they can misuse easily.

Yeah, everywhere was an overstatement. They probably do not have them in Beverly Hills or on Martha's Vinyard. 

 

You know you can legally use SNAP to buy pop and chips and whatnot, yes? 

 

[fredwiggy]

6 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Yeah, everywhere was an overstatement. They probably do not have them in Beverly Hills or on Martha's Vinyard. 

 

You know you can legally use SNAP to buy pop and chips and whatnot, yes? 

 

I wouldn't comment on this topic if I didn't have experience in it. I've seen for many years what people buy using the benefits, and a  lot is junk food, but that can't be changed. WIC only allows certain things, a lot for children and infants, with eggs, milk, cereals, peanut butter, cheese, tuna and fruit and veggies.And there are many on Martha's Vineyard needing help. It's not all rich people there.

[oxo1947]

On 5/23/2025 at 6:56 PM, Jingthing said:

But people need to keep in mind that there is a big difference between just saying stuff and actually doing them.

 

Yer ---we need a do-er like the last president..............

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, Bruce Aussie said:

Now he needs to look at the beef industry, hormones, steroids and pink slime killing exports. 

Even before tariffs the beef export was sn issue. 

Let cows be cows. 

Some countries will never buy it, we lucky in Thailand to have a choice of quality beef from different countries.

Anyway he on right track.

All meat i would say. There's a reason the EU doesn't buy US chicken e.g.

[Wrwest]

On 5/23/2025 at 5:59 PM, save the frogs said:

he also wants to get ultra-processed foods out of school lunches.

nice job subjugating your ego and admitting at least one point on your opposing team is positive.

maybe the only guy on your team to do that ever on AN.

 

I'll join in on this. I do also note the hypocrisy, however, in attacking Michelle Obama's trying to improve school lunchs being attacked as government ver reach and now? Bottom line for me is both the goal and the method being used to reach for the goal ... that may be applied to over issues needing government to address in the interests of the citizens.

[Wrwest]

On 5/23/2025 at 6:40 PM, SunnyinBangrak said:

Well done, you've broken the seal, that was the hard bit.

 

Next you'll realize deporting violent gangbanging scumbags that entered illegally through the Biden/Mayorkas open border is good. After that there's no stopping.

The immigration issue goes back decades and is the result of BOTH parties kicking the can down the road. Observe Constitutionally guaranteed "due process" and, if found guilty, I have no problem with deporting back to their home country, in fact, I encourage. Again, the catch is the method being used as unconstitutional unilaterally dictated by trump. No, I do not recognize that he can void the RIGHT of Habeas Corpus for any PERSON subject to US law.

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, Wrwest said:

The immigration issue goes back decades and is the result of BOTH parties kicking the can down the road. Observe Constitutionally guaranteed "due process" and, if found guilty, I have no problem with deporting back to their home country, in fact, I encourage. Again, the catch is the method being used as unconstitutional unilaterally dictated by trump. No, I do not recognize that he can void the RIGHT of Habeas Corpus for any PERSON subject to US law.

The immigration problems stem primarily from the Hart-Celler Act back in the '60. 

 

[mania]

On 5/23/2025 at 1:56 AM, Jingthing said:

I'm in favor of any good policies propagated by the worse presidential administration in American history.

OMG that is hilarious!

Coming off the previous president who was biggest zombie to ever occupy the White House with his word salad Vice what ever.

 

Especially considering this is our current President of the United States second term & looking back at his first term compared to not only the previous zombie but also the "Yes We Can" oops maybe not previous democrat president that held so much promise & delivered so much nothing.

Yeah thanks for the blinkered laugh but Dems in general on this forum need medication to help them regain reality in their lives.

 

[mania]

On 5/23/2025 at 2:22 AM, Jingthing said:

Ignorance is bliss.

 

Hahah experience speaking 😉 

[Wrwest]

On 5/23/2025 at 7:48 PM, Mike_Hunt said:

WIth low unemployment, why is there so much spending on food stamps? 

 

The federal budget needs to be cut. 

Well Mike, you might want to recognize that in the USA currently, working at one of those available jobs will not equal the cost of food, clothing, shelter and medical care. Where is the system encouraging the working middle class? In retirement, my family of three falls within the qualification for food stamps. Fortunately, recognizing I cannot afford to be retired in my own country, I joined millions of other Americans "outsourced" in retirement to lower cost countries.

[LetsGoJoe]

...and yet,the new dietary trend, the Sugar-diet" is sweeping America, and apparently endorsed by top "doctors" in the industry....2-steps forward, 1-step backwards.

[Wrwest]

On 5/23/2025 at 7:41 PM, Mike_Hunt said:

 

I don't know if it's a few people keeping the lions share.   I'd say it follows a normal distribution.  A few people get rich, and the the lions is distributed amount lots of people in the middle. 

The documented facts dealing with income/wealth distribution over the past decades does not support your supposition.

[Yellowtail]

3 minutes ago, Wrwest said:

Well Mike, you might want to recognize that in the USA currently, working at one of those available jobs will not equal the cost of food, clothing, shelter and medical care. Where is the system encouraging the working middle class? In retirement, my family of three falls within the qualification for food stamps. Fortunately, recognizing I cannot afford to be retired in my own country, I joined millions of other Americans "outsourced" in retirement to lower cost countries.

So, do you think flooding the country will illegal aliens drives wages up? 

 

What impact do you think millions of immigrants has on housing costs and social services? 

[Wrwest]

On 5/23/2025 at 7:57 PM, Mike_Hunt said:

 

This should be funded at the state and local level. 

Ironic, isn't it? Watch the reaction to the Medicad, education cuts as they affect the poorer states most (yep, like my home state Kentucky, they vote Republican).

[SunnyinBangrak]

19 minutes ago, Wrwest said:

Observe Constitutionally guaranteed "due process

Was this observed when Biden illegally threw open the border and welcomed millions of unchecked people in? No it was not. Did you bleat about no "due process" then? No you did not. So why should we fret about this due process now? 

[Yellowtail]

Just now, Wrwest said:

Ironic, isn't it? Watch the reaction to the Medicad, education cuts as they affect the poorer states most (yep, like my home state Kentucky, they vote Republican).

Medicaid and education are not being cut, what is that claim based on? 

 

 

[Wrwest]

4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

So, do you think flooding the country will illegal aliens drives wages up? 

 

What impact do you think millions of immigrants has on housing costs and social services? 

I already stated, I support addressing immigration as a recognized issue. Just carry out policy in line with the legal constructs which the courts are stating as not being followed.

[Wrwest]

3 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Was this observed when Biden illegally threw open the border and welcomed millions of unchecked people in? No it was not. Did you bleat about no "due process" then? No you did not. So why should we fret about this due process now? 

Oh, look over there! A bird ... Please stay on the topic at hand. If you want a Biden issues thread ... have at it. 

[Wrwest]

4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Medicaid and education are not being cut, what is that claim based on? 

 

 

The currently passed Republican majority House of Representatives Budget Bill.

[Yellowtail]

Just now, Wrwest said:

I already stated, I support addressing immigration as a recognized issue.

So, you agree that Biden flooding the with illegal aliens put downward pressure on wages? 

 

And do you also agree that Biden flooding the country with illegal aliens puts upward pressure on housing costs and social services? 

Just now, Wrwest said:

 

Just carry out policy in line with the legal constructs which the courts are stating as not being followed.

Many courts, but not the Supreme Court. 

 

Just saw another judge that was harboring illegals had to resign. 

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, Wrwest said:

The currently passed Republican majority House of Representatives Budget Bill.

Not true. Give states block grants, eliminating waste and fraud, and adding work requirements are not cuts. 

 

Do you think that able bodied men that are not working and not looking for work should receive Medicaid? 

 

50% of births in California are on Medicaid

40% of people living in California are on Medicaid

27% of people living in California were not born in the United States. 

[gamb00ler]

On 5/23/2025 at 7:55 PM, Mike_Hunt said:

 

Tell me about this massive transfer of wealth to BILLIONAIRES.   Lay it out right here.  Explain the mechanism. 

you forgot to ask that the explanation is comprehensible to 14 year olds.

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

Medicaid and education are not being cut, what is that claim based on? 

 

 

Don't bother GASLIGHTING.

Better to spend your time following actual news. 

 

[Yellowtail]

41 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Don't bother GASLIGHTING.

Better to spend your time following actual news. 

 

By "actual news" you mean leftist propaganda, yes? 

 

You crack me up. 

[Yellowtail]

56 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

you forgot to ask that the explanation is comprehensible to 14 year olds.

The 14 years old the left wants to transition? 

[cjinchiangrai]

On 5/23/2025 at 7:57 PM, Mike_Hunt said:

 

This should be funded at the state and local level. 

Except the feds have the money that we already paid for that. It is administered by the states with federal funding, so give the money to the states or back to me. Don't give it to Thiel and Musk, they are not feeding anyone.