Maga/Trump's big ugly bill set to kick 14 million Americans off their health care coverage

[gamb00ler]

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

If he doesn't start a war, bring people to Mars, save humanity, he will be forgotten quick.

 

He might be remembered for Trump Gaza Beach line, and one who gave 30% of Ukraine away, ripped them off at the same time, made Canada 51. State, Concurred Greenland, made Europe to economic super power, invaded Panama, nuked Iran

 

Something I forgot?

err.... proof reading?

[dinsdale]

37 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

This thread will likely be loaded with alot of deflection by faithful devotees who have no interest in discussing the actual issues. Defend, defend and defend. Never admit Trump is insane, unhinged, or wrong. 

Interesting. For some reason I can't remember anyone from your woke progressive left side admitting that Biden had dementia when he was in office when it was evident to all to see. It was all, "no, no, no, he has a speech impediment". Do you admit this now and that it was covered up? Of course now we know his prostate cancer was also covered up.

[impulse]

58 minutes ago, Hummin said:

You funny, do not even know them, but I listen to what Donald says and not say, and also what the rest of his crew says and not say. I see what he/they  are doing, and not doing.

 

oh I forgot, the first president who is openly corrupt 

 

what do you think of his crypto token, and how he is marketing and manipulating the world markeds? It’s unbelievable how you keep up with him on all his BS 

 

 Sad, sad statue literally 

 

Trump to host dinner for top holders of his crypto token – although many lost money with it

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/22/trump-crypto-sweepstakes-dinner

 

The OP is health care. 

 

You're just like the lefties who dredge up a Trump conspiracy behind every story in the world.  Granting him every real estate mogul's dream.  Rent free space.

 

You're going to have a tough 3-1/2 years.

 

[Hummin]

38 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Interesting. For some reason I can't remember anyone from your woke progressive left side admitting that Biden had dementia when he was in office when it was evident to all to see. It was all, "no, no, no, he has a speech impediment". Do you admit this now and that it was covered up? Of course now we know his prostate cancer was also covered up.

You guys abuse woke and leftist, and basically in your and every magas world everyone who disagree with your illusions, are woke and lefties. It's watering out the importance of take a stand against both extreme sides, or any extremists. 

 

Nobody denies Biden have dementia and other challenges and not fit for the job. Nobody, but still some say, his government would had done a hell of a better job than the one who is in charge now. No dubt

[Hummin]

26 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

The OP is health care. 

 

You're just like the lefties who dredge up a Trump conspiracy behind every story in the world.  Granting him every real estate mogul's dream.  Rent free space.

 

You're going to have a tough 3-1/2 years.

 

No I'm not, I'm all set, but I feel for everyone else who have pay for this stupidity even got real. 

[dinsdale]

13 minutes ago, Hummin said:

You guys abuse woke and leftist, and basically in your and every magas world everyone who disagree with your illusions, are woke and lefties. It's watering out the importance of take a stand against both extreme sides, or any extremists. 

 

Nobody denies Biden have dementia and other challenges and not fit for the job. Nobody, but still some say, his government would had done a hell of a better job than the one who is in charge now. No dubt

This is complete nonsense. MSM denied Biden was in cognitive decline as did the usual suspects on here. One of the biggest coverups in US presidential history and the sheeple on here believed every word the MSM said about Biden not suffering from some form of dementia.

[save the frogs]

11 hours ago, dinsdale said:

MSM denied Biden was in cognitive decline

 

The problem is cognitive decline is hard to prove.

 

And if you ever played sports, you'd know that the best offence is a good defence. 

 

So now they're starting to claim that Trump has cognitive decline.

 

How can you prove he doesn't and that he isn't unhinged (which is a medical term, by the way)?

 

Anybody can put a spin on anything. Good luck trying to get the last word. 

 

 

[Yagoda]

4 hours ago, Jingthing said:

It's good John McCain didn't live to see this.

He saved the ACA.

Trump's maga movement is now gutting it.

 

The big ugly CRUEL bill not only massively guts Medicaid.

It will also automatically trigger 4 percent annual budget reductions to Medicare.

It kills subsidies for the ACA, which in effect, kills the point of the program.

 

I don't know how many of those 14 million people being set up to be royally screwed by Maga/Trump are in his cult or voted for this regime, but needless to say, a huge portion.

 

The Trump regime 2.0 is turning the U.S. into a dystopian hellscape and we're still in the early days of it.

 

Trump's Tax Bill Would Decimate the Affordable Care Act

You havent read the bill so you just spew lies from the Rolling Stone.

 

Show us the provisions in question. Give us your analysis, or is this just your daily Propaganda spew.

[Yagoda]

1 hour ago, flexomike said:

I think the same could be said about you.

He did write that quote by himself, unusual for him.

[dinsdale]

3 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

The problem is cognitive decline is hard to prove.

Nope. There are tests. Trump just passed his and for sure Biden didn't pass his when he was in office.

[Hummin]

15 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

This is complete nonsense. MSM denied Biden was in cognitive decline as did the usual suspects on here. One of the biggest coverups in US presidential history and the sheeple on here believed every word the MSM said about Biden not suffering from some form of dementia.

Oh my, sheeple, forgot to mention sheeple, and continue to refer to media and persons I have no relationship with. 

 

Biggest cover up? It was clear as day he struggled, but same as my mother, me and my family saw it coming, and twice we had her to Dr and specialists starting 4 years back because we where concerned about her still driving. She was cleared even after more tests on requests and also brain scans. 

 

Now finely we are about to get a diagnosis, but not yet. You can't just give people diagnosis in public before it is done by specialists, even you understand that. 

 

And I said many times, there need to be a age limit for your first term. 64-65 years maximum.

[dinsdale]

5 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Oh my, sheeple, forgot to mention sheeple, and continue to refer to media and persons I have no relationship with. 

 

Biggest cover up? It was clear as day he struggled, but same as my mother, me and my family saw it coming, and twice we had her to Dr and specialists starting 4 years back because we where concerned about her still driving. She was cleared even after more tests on requests and also brain scans. 

 

Now finely we are about to get a diagnosis, but not yet. You can't just give people diagnosis in public before it is done by specialists, even you understand that. 

 

And I said many times, there need to be a age limit for your first term. 64-65 years maximum.

Biden was in office for four years. Are you trying to tell people he never had full physicals which involve cognitive tests? There's no more denying this. It's out in the open.

[save the frogs]

11 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Nope. There are tests. Trump just passed his and for sure Biden didn't pass his when he was in office.

 

I just googled it and sure enough there are news articles about Trump's cognitive decline, backed by real life psychiatrists, of course. Not saying it's true, but I'm saying anybody can put a spin on anything and there is an army of spin doctors out there doing just that. 

 

Again, good luck getting the last word and finding the smoking gun. There's way too much spin out there. 

 

https://theins.ru/en/society/281495

 

 

 

[Magictoad]

I thought it was specifically aimed at homsexualls under a freedom of religion act.

[dinsdale]

1 minute ago, save the frogs said:

I just googled it and sure enough there are news articles about Trump's cognitive decline, backed by real life psychiatrists, of course

You should have posted some links. My guess is MSNBC would be amongst them.

[spidermike007]

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

Interesting. For some reason I can't remember anyone from your woke progressive left side admitting that Biden had dementia when he was in office when it was evident to all to see. It was all, "no, no, no, he has a speech impediment". Do you admit this now and that it was covered up? Of course now we know his prostate cancer was also covered up.

During the entire 20 years that Clinton, Obama and Biden were in office I was constantly criticizing their policy. Go back and look at some of my previous posts, I almost never see one of Trump's acolytes doing the same thing, almost never. 

 

It is as if total fealty is asked for, insisted upon, and adhered to. 

 

 

[save the frogs]

11 hours ago, dinsdale said:

You should have posted some links. My guess is MSNBC would be amongst them.

 

I did.

https://theins.ru/en/society/281495

The Insider.   But .ru means what? Russia?

 

Here's another one. Cornell University. There must be thousands of these articles, and most people will not take the time to try to figure out if it's a reliable news source. And it's almost impossible to know what's reliable information in this day and age, anyway. 

 

You want free speech? You got it. Now no one knows what to believe anymore. 

 

https://as.cornell.edu/news/trumps-abrupt-decision-play-dj-sign-accelerating-cognitive-decline-says-cornell-expert

 

[Yagoda]

13 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Oh my, sheeple, forgot to mention sheeple, and continue to refer to media and persons I have no relationship with. 

 

Biggest cover up? It was clear as day he struggled, but same as my mother, me and my family saw it coming, and twice we had her to Dr and specialists starting 4 years back because we where concerned about her still driving. She was cleared even after more tests on requests and also brain scans. 

 

Now finely we are about to get a diagnosis, but not yet. You can't just give people diagnosis in public before it is done by specialists, even you understand that. 

 

And I said many times, there need to be a age limit for your first term. 64-65 years maximum.

Sorry Norway, we dont believe in discrimination on the basis of age.

 

So do you believe that Joe Bidens cognitive difficulties were covered up? How about his cancer? Lies and coverups?

[Hummin]

6 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Biden was in office for four years. Are you trying to tell people he never had full physicals which involve cognitive tests? There's no more denying this. It's out in the open.

What I’m saying, you do not know what you talking about, just echo chamber like the rest who think they know anything. 
 

what media you follow? What I from American media, is statesmen’s and fake news hammered out day and night, and the followers are cluelessly absorbing and stop question critical propaganda if it fits their own illusion. 
 

and of course when everything becomes fake news and conspiracies, and you do not have knowledge or critical sense or logic to understand, what then? 
 

 

[Hummin]

3 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

 

 

So do you believe that Joe Bidens cognitive difficulties were covered up? How about his cancer? Lies and coverups?

How can I know, I haven’t said a word about it. A nice dirt package, yes indeed and also good timing

 

but things that’s obvious, you guys want admit, things said live, executed in bright daylight, no response, no criticism or critical wording against your president. 
 

 

100 trust and faith in a human, that’s quite remarkable and stupid. I know I use ignorant and stupid to much, but can’t help it.

 

 

 

 

[save the frogs]

12 hours ago, Hummin said:

Nobody denies Biden have dementia and other challenges and not fit for the job. Nobody, but still some say, his government would had done a hell of a better job than the one who is in charge now. No dubt

 

We concede that our guy is demented, but he's still better than your guy.

Our guy could have done better than your guy blindfolded in a dark room. 

That's how bad your guy is. 

This is getting funny how many contortions people are going into to prove they're right. 

 

[Yagoda]

9 minutes ago, Hummin said:

but things that’s obvious, you guys want admit, things said live, executed in bright daylight, no response, no criticism or critical wording against your president. 
 

Not true, I firmly disagree with his policy vis a vis Iran and have said that numerous times.

[Yagoda]

Just now, HappyExpat57 said:

The only MAGAt I have to talk to (once a year just to keep peace in the family) is an old, self-admitted racist who says he know most of the stuff from Fox is bull, but he likes it anyway.

Spoken by a man with a repulsive racist avatar.

[metisdead]

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[Quentin Zen]

America is still free.  Go there, graduate from Yale, work in NYC, network, become a politician, get lobbyists, make super bank, run for a better office, start a business, and then make changes!!!!  

 

Trump can change the world for better or worse more in 1 second than all of can bickering in 100 years.  

 

So, who's ready to go out in the real world and really change things???!!!

 

Not me, drinking a beer in Pattaya with 38 lovely ladies and eating some 39 baht french fries while waiting for my backpack to dry out.  

[HappyExpat57]

33 minutes ago, Hummin said:

What I’m saying, you do not know what you talking about, just echo chamber like the rest who think they know anything. 
 

what media you follow? What I from American media, is statesmen’s and fake news hammered out day and night, and the followers are cluelessly absorbing and stop question critical propaganda if it fits their own illusion. 
 

and of course when everything becomes fake news and conspiracies, and you do not have knowledge or critical sense or logic to understand, what then? 
 

 

I speak once a year to a member of MAGA (just to keep peace in the family). He is a self-admitted racist and says he knows most of what Fox puts out is bull but he likes it anyway.

[connda]

But but but - the "Mega-Rich" gets tax breaks.  

When Republicans are in office:  The Mega-Rich get transfer payments from the government.  Working class gets the shaft.
When Democrats are in office: Illegal and migrants get transfer payments from the government. Working class gets the shaft.

They both suck Jing.

[impulse]

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

So now they're starting to claim that Trump has cognitive decline.

 

How can you prove he doesn't and that he isn't unhinged (which is a medical term, by the way)?

 

Trump is in front of cameras having free form (and long) interviews every day of the week. 

 

They kept Biden on a leash, limiting him to canned answers to pre-vetted questions.

 

[Hummin]

1 minute ago, impulse said:

 

Trump is in front of cameras having free form (and long) interviews every day of the week. 

 

They kept Biden on a leash, limiting him to canned answers to pre-vetted questions.

 

Did you see putins meeting with media and how he spoke with media? It was quite impressive, and also brilliant propaganda forming his public for a long time before the last invasion. I would say, If I didnt know better, I could agree to most of what he said. 

 

The difference between Putin and Trump is structure and dicipline while being live and speaking with decent voice and keep everything within context. Trump is all over the place and praising most all himself. 

 

Putin is a true dictator with class, compared to wannabes Trump and Vance. 

 

However, putin is a trained and educated KBG statesman, who knows the game, and use Trump's weaknesses 

[impulse]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

Did you see putins meeting with media and how he spoke with media? It was quite impressive,

 

Was he impressive, or was his translator? 

 

You and I have no way of knowing, other than listening to the pundits.  Who I don't trust, on either side.