If there is no life after death...

[bunnydrops]

Most here are talking about consciousness as a continuation of the self, but the self includes the body and the existence of the sensations the body brings to it. Consciousness may be like life itself and come in many forms. I once read an analogy that went like this: Consciousness is like a flowing river; there isn't an individual self, but when the river comes to a waterfall (birth), the river divides into many droplets that gain the illusion of self and can see that it is separate from the others, but in the end (death) the droplets reach the bottom and become part of the whole again.

[Cameroni]

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

What I was saying was it's more rational to think we are not alone in billions of galaxies than to think one almighty being created billions of galaxies and we are alone in billions of galaxies and we are created in God's image. 

 

Why? For all of them there is no evidence whatsoever.

 

All of them could be true or false. There is just no evidence for either case.

 

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

Which makes more sense to you?

 

It's mere conjecture, in the absence of evidence. How much sense does conjecture make? As Buddha said, not a whole lot.

 

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

You think God or a God did all this?

 

It could be. There is no evidence against, nor any evidence for.

 

So either case is as valid as the other.

[spidermike007]

It's impossible for me to even fathom the possibility that there isn't life after death, and that reincarnation is not a reality. But there are alot of people who are incredibly limited in their thinking, very conventional minded, need scientific proof, and if there is no proof they just cannot conceive of the possibilities. 

[scorecard]

8 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

 

If there were more than one God we would surely see evidence, as they would be competing for our attention. Especially if there were three or more. God invented us, not the other way around. I don't lose sleep believing. It actually makes life easier knowing I'm a believer, not having to worry as I would if I wasn't.

 

God invented us.... what does that mean / what do you mean?

[save the frogs]

I just asked AI about a concept that came to mind based on a quote from Voltaire. 

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While the idea of Earth being a destination for rejects or outcasts from other planets is a popular concept, particularly in science fiction, it's not directly attributed to Voltaire. 

 

However, Voltaire did express similar views about the nature of humanity and its place in the universe. He wrote about the idea of Earth being a madhouse or insane asylum for the universe's inhabitants. 

• "If there's life on other planets, then the earth is the Universe's insane asylum."

   

   

[save the frogs]

 

[fredwiggy]

6 hours ago, Lacessit said:

I am pretty confident you won't be coming back to tell me I am wrong.

No, once I get there I'll be enjoying the company of Jesus and my passed friends family and animals, And there's a good likelihood you'll meet God before I do.

[daveAustin]

20 hours ago, SoCal1990 said:

Then, if there is life after death, is it still your own?

Define your?

[Lacessit]

7 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

No, once I get there I'll be enjoying the company of Jesus and my passed friends family and animals, And there's a good likelihood you'll meet God before I do.

How do you know it won't be 72 virgins?

[fredwiggy]

8 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Nup! When you die that's it mate. Believe what you like but until someone who has died tells me there's a heaven or until God presents himself/herself/itself to the entire population of the world it's all nonsense. Sadly you are one of the billions who have been brainwashed from birth. This is why I say religion is the greatest crime against humanity. It brainwashes children to perpetuate a myth. Absolutely shameful to deny children the right to freedom of choice and thought. Fortunately my mother gave me that freedom. I have lived my life as a rational thinker not bound by religious doctrine.

I could say sadly you're one of the millions that have been brainwashed since birth from non believing parents. Or I could say not everyone is brainwashed and believes because it makes sense to them. Also some that have been brainwashed have reached adulthood and realized for themselves belief makes sense, that this universe couldn't have created itself. 

 

Fortunately my parents allowed me to make my own decisions, after teaching me about God and sending me to Catholic school where I learned more. Afterwards I lived my life as an rational thinker, looking to what makes sense rather than believed others opinions that either hated God because they felt he took someone away from them they loved, or were taught by parents who didn't believe because they were also taught by the same. 

 

Faith takes courage, believing in something you can't see but feel.

[fredwiggy]

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

How do you know it won't be 72 virgins?

 

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

How do you know it won't be 72 virgins?

Killing innocents isn't a way to gain favor from God. Thinking it's any virgins has one believe there's an afterlife, and thinking you'll get there by killing innocent people is the epitome of disturbed behavior.

[save the frogs]

11 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

No, once I get there I'll be enjoying the company of Jesus

No you won't.

Jesus wouldn't have the time to hang out with billions of people. 

 

[fredwiggy]

1 minute ago, save the frogs said:

No you won't.

Jesus wouldn't have the time to hang out with billions of people. 

 

In forever, there will be time. We can always sit in small groups every day, and wait for our turn until then.

[save the frogs]

11 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

In forever, there will be time. We can always sit in small groups every day, and wait for our turn until then.

 

Do the math, though.

If Jesus sits with small groups for 15 minutes at a time, rotating all the billions of people who have lived on earth, how many millions of years would you need to wait for Jesus to come around?

Fortunately, there's loads of Harp Music and I'm guessing they don't serve alcohol, but maybe some good Kombucha to keep you entertained while you wait your turn.  

 

[Gottfrid]

22 hours ago, SoCal1990 said:

Then where does our consciousness go after we die?

 

Or are we just pretending not to be afraid of the answer?

Think about it like this. You are burned hot and long enough to make ashes out of your bones. Just use your imagination.

[fredwiggy]

4 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

Do the math, though.

If Jesus sits with small groups for 15 minutes at a time, rotating all the billions of people who have lived on earth, how many millions of years would you need to wait for Jesus to come around?

Fortunately, there's loads of Harp Music and I'm guessing they don't serve alcohol, but maybe some good Kombucha to keep you entertained while you wait your turn.  

 

Maybe time in heaven isn't the same as here. And yes, a lot of musicians that were believers are there now, jamming and drinking wine, as Jesus did, and who knows, God made weed and maybe it wasn't just for hemp. Think of all the good food we could eat with no fear of gaining weight. Like Gregg Allman sang, "I know there's a God up in heaven, who must love rock and roll. (Ocean Awash the Gunwale)

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

 

Killing innocents isn't a way to gain favor from God. Thinking it's any virgins has one believe there's an afterlife, and thinking you'll get there by killing innocent people is the epitome of disturbed behavior.

Brainwashing children into believing in a god that sends people to hell if they sin is child abuse, so don't get the idea you are any better.

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

I could say sadly you're one of the millions that have been brainwashed since birth from non believing parents. Or I could say not everyone is brainwashed and believes because it makes sense to them. Also some that have been brainwashed have reached adulthood and realized for themselves belief makes sense, that this universe couldn't have created itself. 

 

Fortunately my parents allowed me to make my own decisions, after teaching me about God and sending me to Catholic school where I learned more. Afterwards I lived my life as an rational thinker, looking to what makes sense rather than believed others opinions that either hated God because they felt he took someone away from them they loved, or were taught by parents who didn't believe because they were also taught by the same. 

 

Faith takes courage, believing in something you can't see but feel.

An utterly false argument.

 

Non-believing parents don't brainwash their children. They allow them to make up their own minds about religion and belief.

 

If you claim you were not brainwashed by going to a Catholic school, you are being disingenuous. That's the whole point of denominational schools, indoctrination.

 

I suppose you were lucky, not being targeted by a kiddie fiddler.

[fredwiggy]

Just now, Lacessit said:

Brainwashing children into believing in a god that sends people to hell if they sin is child abuse, so don't get the idea you are any better.

Why keep calling it brainwashing, as if all children are too dense to make up their own minds when they reach adulthood. People aren't as sheltered as you believe, especially with all the media available now. Very poor countries without as much western adoption can have some acting like sheep, as terrorists have proven with their recruits, but the more they are exposed to western ideals and freedom, the more they'll think for themselves and make up their own minds. 

 

There is a countless amount of information available both for science and belief in God, and the more they look elsewhere, the less they act like your brainwashed children and the more they analyze things and act accordingly. 

 

Belief in God doesn't mean you're less intelligent or brainwashed. It means that you made a decision that just could save your soul. You don't have to fear God but respect what he stands for, and his laws make sense to all besides the sociopaths. Who said I thought I was better? No one's any better a human than anyone else. Some just act better. 

 

Teaching you children about God isn't abuse . It shows them what faith means, and they can still decide what they want to do, as again, all people aren't brainwashed sheep, or at least not forever. Why spend so much time talking in a topic if you don't believe? You aren't going to convert anyone to atheism, and you just might be totally wrong and like i said, you will see God someday and not just die and become fertilizer. You just think differently than the majority on earth.

[Hummin]

2 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

In forever, there will be time. We can always sit in small groups every day, and wait for our turn until then.

You have images of afterlife very much alike Jehovas books and magazine the watchtower.

 

Itsa nice idea, but looking out in the space, I see chaos and order in a conflicting way, where disaster is the only outcome. 

 

Nature of chaos is temporary quitet while you are in the middle. Heaven and he'll is here, use your time and energy with your kids, not here. They are your afterlife, and everything else is just an escape from yourself and this world. 

 

Wake up

[newbee2022]

If there is no life after death...

 

Why you use the word "if" ????

Did you meet anybody after death??

Or do you have still doubts?

Send us note when you enter your next life.

[Lacessit]

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Why keep calling it brainwashing, as if all children are too dense to make up their own minds when they reach adulthood. People aren't as sheltered as you believe, especially with all the media available now. Very poor countries without as much western adoption can have some acting like sheep, as terrorists have proven with their recruits, but the more they are exposed to western ideals and freedom, the more they'll think for themselves and make up their own minds. 

 

There is a countless amount of information available both for science and belief in God, and the more they look elsewhere, the less they act like your brainwashed children and the more they analyze things and act accordingly. 

 

Belief in God doesn't mean you're less intelligent or brainwashed. It means that you made a decision that just could save your soul. You don't have to fear God but respect what he stands for, and his laws make sense to all besides the sociopaths. Who said I thought I was better? No one's any better a human than anyone else. Some just act better. 

 

Teaching you children about God isn't abuse . It shows them what faith means, and they can still decide what they want to do, as again, all people aren't brainwashed sheep, or at least not forever. Why spend so much time talking in a topic if you don't believe? You aren't going to convert anyone to atheism, and you just might be totally wrong and like i said, you will see God someday and not just die and become fertilizer. You just think differently than the majority on earth.

I am not seeking to convert people to atheism or agnosticism. OTOH, Christians, Jews and Muslims seek to proselytize whole nations.

 

Yes, I may be totally wrong. I could be right as well.

 

Appeal to majority thinking is a crappy argument. IIRC the heliocentric propositions of Copernicus and Galileo were met with fervent majority opposition.

[fredwiggy]

2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

An utterly false argument.

 

Non-believing parents don't brainwash their children. They allow them to make up their own minds about religion and belief.

 

If you claim you were not brainwashed by going to a Catholic school, you are being disingenuous. That's the whole point of denominational schools, indoctrination.

 

I suppose you were lucky, not being targeted by a kiddie fiddler.

No, parents are the first and most important teachers. If they tell a child there is no God, that child will believe it's true until they hear elsewhere that it might not be. It takes quite awhile to change your mind when your own parents tell you something, especially if they treat you well growing up. 

 

You keep thinking I've been brainwashed, not understanding just how intelligent I am. I was taught about God in school and at home. I'm not a sheep, so I had my doubts, like most others do, especially about miracles and Noah's ark, walking on water and all the others. We can make up our own minds to believe or not to. That's called analytical thinking.

 

Your problem is you think you know more than everyone else. You don't. Billions of us can make up our own minds, no matter what we hear growing up. You were obviously taught a different way, or believed someone when they told you God doesn't exist, or am I assuming like you, thinking I know about you when I don't? That you chose to make up your own mind for whatever reasons you have.

 

Another thing, you assume all Catholic priests are pedos, when only a fraction are or were. They get media coverage because it's a very strong business they're in, and they did coverup things that happened because of fear and embarrassment. Just like politicians do. I went to different Catholic schools, and none ever had any of the problems, and neither did anyone I knew. It happens, as does all types of crimes. Here, there and right next door.

[fredwiggy]

10 minutes ago, Hummin said:

You have images of afterlife very much alike Jehovas books and magazine the watchtower.

 

Itsa nice idea, but looking out in the space, I see chaos and order in a conflicting way, where disaster is the only outcome. 

 

Nature of chaos is temporary quitet while you are in the middle. Heaven and he'll is here, use your time and energy with your kids, not here. They are your afterlife, and everything else is just an escape from yourself and this world. 

 

Wake up

You can't prove otherwise, so I could tell you to wake up also. I choose to believe. You choose to do whatever you want. Until you can prove us wrong.

[Lacessit]

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

No, parents are the first and most important teachers. If they tell a child there is no God, that child will believe it's true until they hear elsewhere that it might not be. It takes quite awhile to change your mind when your own parents tell you something, especially if they treat you well growing up. 

 

You keep thinking I've been brainwashed, not understanding just how intelligent I am. I was taught about God in school and at home. I'm not a sheep, so I had my doubts, like most others do, especially about miracles and Noah's ark, walking on water and all the others. We can make up our own minds to believe or not to. That's called analytical thinking.

 

Your problem is you think you know more than everyone else. You don't. Billions of us can make up our own minds, no matter what we hear growing up. You were obviously taught a different way, or believed someone when they told you God doesn't exist, or am I assuming like you, thinking I know about you when I don't? That you chose to make up your own mind for whatever reasons you have.

 

Another thing, you assume all Catholic priests are pedos, when only a fraction are or were. They get media coverage because it's a very strong business they're in, and they did coverup things that happened because of fear and embarrassment. Just like politicians do. I went to different Catholic schools, and none ever had any of the problems, and neither did anyone I knew. It happens, as does all types of crimes. Here, there and right next door.

I know there are people out there who are smarter than me.

 

"Not understanding how intelligent I am?" How many tickets have you got on yourself?

[Robert Smith 2]

There is life after death...

[fredwiggy]

3 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I am not seeking to convert people to atheism or agnosticism. OTOH, Christians, Jews and Muslims seek to proselytize whole nations.

 

Yes, I may be totally wrong. I could be right as well.

 

Appeal to majority thinking is a crappy argument. IIRC the heliocentric propositions of Copernicus and Galileo were met with fervent majority opposition.

It's a believers duty to spread the word. It isn't their duty to force their beliefs on others, as that creates a wall. You tell what you know, then let them decide, as no one can get you into heaven besides yourself. If God does exist, and your thinking is wrong, wouldn't their job be the most important on earth? What would be more important, doing all you can to get whatever you can here, or put God first, knowing this is only a temporary thing and forever is coming soon, living a good life, being good to others, raising your children well, and not being too materialistic?

[fredwiggy]

2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I know there are people out there who are smarter than me.

 

"Not understanding how intelligent I am?" How many tickets have you got on yourself?

You are just like a few others here who assume about others and how much they know from just a few typed paragraphs. You think you're right about something yet don't get that you might also be wrong. I listen to both sides, and unlike what you said earlier, I don't think I'm better because I believe. That's my choice only.

[GarryP]

12 minutes ago, Robert Smith 2 said:

There is life after death...

There is life after before death.

[Lacessit]

8 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

You are just like a few others here who assume about others and how much they know from just a few typed paragraphs. You think you're right about something yet don't get that you might also be wrong. I listen to both sides, and unlike what you said earlier, I don't think I'm better because I believe. That's my choice only.

Now you are coming the raw prawn. Of course you think you are better, because you believe.

 

Muslims think they are better than you. They are also outbreeding you.