Another EU headache

[riclag]

Dutch Government collapses! Wilders withdraws over refusal to compromise on current migration policy.

 

Make Netherlands Great Again

 

 

[stevenl]

Purely political manoeuvring by wilders. An attempt to avoid the constitution failed. Since then the minister for immigration, of his party, has come up with nothing. Absolutely nothing except refusing to sign off on a royal reward for immigration volunteers.

The present government is rightwing, a coalition of 4 parties. 2 of those parties have lost a lot of support since this administration started, so he's banking on new elections and gaining ground. Elections probably in October or so, so still lots of time for things to change, but atm i think the sentiment is moving more to the center.

[FlorC]

This is what you get when you have to compromise to get in a coalition government

with so many small parties. 

Typical for many euro governments.

Kind of a small miracle that he broke the firewall to get into a coalition.

Others in europe are not so lucky , like AfD.

 

Sadly , I don't think next elections are going to be in Wilder's favour.

 

[stevenl]

3 minutes ago, FlorC said:

This is what you get when you have to compromise to get in a coalition government

with so many small parties.

No, that's not the issue. See my previous post.

[FlorC]

4 minutes ago, stevenl said:

No, that's not the issue. See my previous post.

Yes it is the issue.

Comprimise to get into a government just to wait and see if the issues you were elected for

will come to fruition. 

They (immigration) did not, so Wilders stepped out.

 

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, FlorC said:

Yes it is the issue.

Comprimise to get into a government just to wait and see if the issues you were elected for

will come to fruition. 

They (immigration) did not, so Wilders stepped out.

 

Immigration was his department. Nothing came out of that department, absolutely nothing. He failed and tries to blame others.

[riclag]

2 hours ago, FlorC said:

This is what you get when you have to compromise to get in a coalition government

with so many small parties. 

Typical for many euro governments.

Kind of a small miracle that he broke the firewall to get into a coalition.

Others in europe are not so lucky , like AfD.

 

Sadly , I don't think next elections are going to be in Wilder's favour.

 

I posted a broken heart emoji!

Im not up to speed with Dutch politics other than what I read on X and other sources ( including a Dutch acquaintance  of mine) . He too is P’ed

off about the migrant crisis.Hopefully you’re wrong about Wilder’s in  favor.

 

[FlorC]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

I posted a broken heart emoji!

Im not up to speed with Dutch politics other than what I read on X and other sources ( including a Dutch acquaintance  of mine) . He too is P’ed

off about the migrant crisis.Hopefully you’re wrong about Wilder’s in  favor.

 

A broken heart , he.

I didn't even know that you loved me that much. 😉

 

Holland is fully of lefties too. 

So this is not going to be in his favor , even if his party gains a few %.

But you never know , more people awakend by US/Trump immigration policies ?

[Cameroni]

Wilders unfortunately is an incompetent fanatic. It was miracle he got to the top in the Netherlands anyway. What a turn from left to right Holland has made. But he was never going to have support for long. He's a thoroughly dislikeable dirt bag.

[riclag]

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

Wilders unfortunately is an incompetent fanatic. It was miracle he got to the top in the Netherlands anyway. What a turn from left to right Holland has made. But he was never going to have support for long. He's a thoroughly dislikeable dirt bag.

Do tell.

Like I said I’m not up to speed on Dutch politics. I like his migrant policy though.

[Cameroni]

45 minutes ago, riclag said:

Do tell.

Like I said I’m not up to speed on Dutch politics. I like his migrant policy though.

 

Wilders was extensively discussed in leaked American diplomatic cables. In a briefing to president Barack Obama, he was described as "no friend of the US:

 

Wilders has been bleaching and dyeing his hair to peroxide-platinum blond since at least the mid-1990s.

 

He gives even anti-Islamists a bad name as his hatred for Islam is so extreme he distorts the Koran, a book he wanted to ban in Holland, he quotes verses and misinterprets them with the aim to incite hatred of Muslims.

 

He is so extreme he was banned from the United Kingdom. 

 

Home Secretary Jacqui Smith banned Wilders from entering the United Kingdom, labeling him an "undesirable person"

 

He is married to a Hungarian Jewess and bends the knee to Israel. He called for Judaism to be recognised as a state religion in Holland.

 

Wilders also is very good friends with that charlatan and fraud Ayaan Hirsi Ali, as she is also a fellow anti-Muslim fanatic.

 

He strolls around with his plantinum blonde dyed hair like a hatred-filled peacock. I've never seen anyone more contemptible rise to high office in Europe who was so extreme. Nigel Farage is a moderate by comparison.

 

 

 

 

[riclag]

12 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Wilders was extensively discussed in leaked American diplomatic cables. In a briefing to president Barack Obama, he was described as "no friend of the US:

 

Wilders has been bleaching and dyeing his hair to peroxide-platinum blond since at least the mid-1990s.

 

He gives even anti-Islamists a bad name as his hatred for Islam is so extreme he distorts the Koran, a book he wanted to ban in Holland, he quotes verses and misinterprets them with the aim to incite hatred of Muslims.

 

He is so extreme he was banned from the United Kingdom. 

 

Home Secretary Jacqui Smith banned Wilders from entering the United Kingdom, labeling him an "undesirable person"

 

He is married to a Hungarian Jewess and bends the knee to Israel. He called for Judaism to be recognised as a state religion in Holland.

 

Wilders also is very good friends with that charlatan and fraud Ayaan Hirsi Ali, as she is also a fellow anti-Muslim fanatic.

 

He strolls around with his plantinum blonde dyed hair like a hatred-filled peacock. I've never seen anyone more contemptible rise to high office in Europe who was so extreme. Nigel Farage is a moderate by comparison.

 

 

 

 

Thats not me giving a thumbs down, by the way .
 

Do you have a opinion on his Migrant 

view for his country?

[FlorC]

6 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Wilders was extensively discussed in leaked American diplomatic cables. In a briefing to president Barack Obama, he was described as "no friend of the US:

 

Wilders has been bleaching and dyeing his hair to peroxide-platinum blond since at least the mid-1990s.

 

He gives even anti-Islamists a bad name as his hatred for Islam is so extreme he distorts the Koran, a book he wanted to ban in Holland, he quotes verses and misinterprets them with the aim to incite hatred of Muslims.

 

He is so extreme he was banned from the United Kingdom. 

 

Home Secretary Jacqui Smith banned Wilders from entering the United Kingdom, labeling him an "undesirable person"

 

He is married to a Hungarian Jewess and bends the knee to Israel. He called for Judaism to be recognised as a state religion in Holland.

 

Wilders also is very good friends with that charlatan and fraud Ayaan Hirsi Ali, as she is also a fellow anti-Muslim fanatic.

 

He strolls around with his plantinum blonde dyed hair like a hatred-filled peacock. I've never seen anyone more contemptible rise to high office in Europe who was so extreme. Nigel Farage is a moderate by comparison.

 

 

 

 

Wow Cameroni , I never thought I would disagree so much with you on AN.

 

Why do you attack how he looks ? So what if he bleaches his hair ??

In a briefing to president Barack Obama, he was described as "no friend of the US:

Obama was for immigration , although he sent some back. Being on Obama's naughty list is a good thing.

Wilders wants all moslims out , finally someone says and means it 👍

 

banned from the United Kingdom

a badge of honour ! Look at what a lefty/moslim s-hole the UK is.

 

He called for Judaism to be recognised as a state religion in Holland.

That is one you pulled from your a$$

 

Wilders is the best that can happen to Holland if he has full control.

Holland for the Dutch.

 

[Cameroni]

1 hour ago, FlorC said:

Wow Cameroni , I never thought I would disagree so much with you on AN.

 

t's a terrible shock for me too!

 

 

1 hour ago, FlorC said:

That is one you pulled from your a$$

 

No. You're not familiar with "Klare Wijn", his political manifesto?  Point 2  "Replacement of the present Article 1 of the Dutch constitution, guaranteeing equality under the law, by a clause stating the cultural dominance of the Christian and Jewish traditions"

 

Wilders also thought  "implementing Israeli-style administrative detention, ie arrest without trial,  in the Netherlands" would be a great idea.

 

He spent a year in Israel and is rabidly pro Jewish and pro Israel.

 

But my first indication that Wilders was a fraud was when he championed the documented liar and feminist Ayaan Hirsi Ali, another political clown. Wilders has among the poorest judgement in Europe.

 

1 hour ago, FlorC said:

Why do you attack how he looks ? So what if he bleaches his hair ??

 

Another clear indication he is not well in the head, what grown man colours his hair peroxide blonde?  I will take a straberry blonde Dutchman, even brunette, but I draw the line at peroxide blonde Dutchmen. It's not carnival season every day in Holland, surely?

 

1 hour ago, FlorC said:

Holland for the Dutch.

 

Then the first you'll have to deport is Wilders, who is the son of an Indonesian woman born in Sakumbi, Indonesia.

 

Have you noticed how he never attacks Muslims from Indonesia in Holland? Morrocans? Yes. Arabs? Yes. Never Indonesians.

[stevenl]

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Have you noticed how he never attacks Muslims from Indonesia in Holland?

Not many of those in Holland and those that are there are not causing problems.

[Cameroni]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

Thats not me giving a thumbs down, by the way .
 

Do you have a opinion on his Migrant 

view for his country?

 

Clearly he's riding the popular dislike of immigrants, like most European countries Holland's politicians made the mistake to take in far too many immigrants. Obviously Holland can't take anymore.

 

However, Wilders is far too extreme about it. Ban the Koran?  That's insane. What is he afraid of? 

 

You can stop immigration, but you cannot incite to hatred of Dutch nationals who have committed no crimes. Wilders was convicted of that in the Netherlands.

[Cameroni]

14 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Not many of those in Holland and those that are there are not causing problems.

 

There's two million people of Indonesian heritage in the Netherlands.  About 11 percent of the population.

 

That's 4 times more than Moroccans, and vastly more than Arabs in the Netherlands.

 

It's not consistent. The majority of Indonesians are muslims. If Wilders had his way they would all be deported. Including his Indonesian family, presumably?

 

If you want to be right wing, you have to be real right wing. You can't just pick and choose like in some candy shop. You can't support Israel, exempt Indonesians. That's not real right wing. 

 

Wilders is just a showman right winger, a right wing clown so to speak.

[FlorC]

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

No. You're not familiar with "Klare Wijn", his political manifesto?  Point 2  "Replacement of the present Article 1 of the Dutch constitution, guaranteeing equality under the law, by a clause stating the cultural dominance of the Christian and Jewish traditions"

 

 

Christian and Jewish traditions are related , islam is not.

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

He spent a year in Israel and is rabidly pro Jewish and pro Israel.

 

 

No-one is perfect !  Every politician/party has its pro and cons. 

 

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

But my first indication that Wilders was a fraud was when he championed the documented liar and feminist Ayaan Hirsi Ali, another political clown. Wilders has among the poorest judgement in Europe.

 

I know you're kidding here 😉   Long list of eurocrats that have MUCH worse judgement, some are unelected but rule over us.

 

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

Another clear indication he is not well in the head, what grown man colours his hair peroxide blonde?  I will take a straberry blonde Dutchman, even brunette, but I draw the line at peroxide blonde Dutchmen. It's not carnival season every day in Holland, surely?

 

 

Sorry , but that is just a stupid argument. Maybe he wants to stand out as the blond northern people like Scandinavians in contrast to the people he wants to get out.

You are lowering yourself here to the level of the lefties that can't shut up about the orange man.

[Cameroni]

26 minutes ago, FlorC said:

Christian and Jewish traditions are related , islam is not.

 

Surely you jest.

 

The most obvious common practice is the statement of the absolute unity of God, which Muslims observe in their five times daily prayers (salat), and Jews state at least twice (Shema Yisrael), along with praying 3 times daily. The two faiths also share the central practices of fasting (see Yom Kippur and Ramadan) and almsgiving, as well as dietary laws and other aspects of ritual purity. Under the strict dietary laws, lawful food is called Kosher in Judaism and Halal in Islam. Both religions prohibit the consumption of pork. Both practice circumcision.

 

Abraham and other figures appear in the Koran.

 

Islam and Judaism both consider the Christian doctrine of the trinity and the belief of Jesus being God as explicitly against the tenets of monotheism. Idolatry and the worship of graven images is likewise forbidden in both religions. Both have official colors (Blue in Judaism and Green in Islam). Both faiths believe in angels, as servants of God and share a similar idea of demons (Jinn and Shedim); Jewish demonology mentions ha-Satan and Muslim demonology mentions Al-Shai'tan both rejecting him as an opponent of God. Many angels also possess similar names and roles in both Judaism and Islam. Neither religion subscribes to the concept of original sin and both religions traditionally view homosexuality as sinful. Narrative similarities between Jewish texts and the Hadith have also been noted. For example, both state that Potiphar's wife was named Zuleika.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic–Jewish_relations#:~:text=The two faiths also share,prohibit the consumption of pork.

 

26 minutes ago, FlorC said:

I know you're kidding here 😉   Long list of eurocrats that have MUCH worse judgement, some are unelected but rule over us.

 

Okay, you got me there. But Ayaan Hirsi Ali? A fraudster, feminist and liar, this is whom he hitches his wagon to?

 

26 minutes ago, FlorC said:

Maybe he wants to stand out as the blond northern people like Scandinavians in contrast to the people he wants to get out

 

As the son of an Indonesian woman it seems an odd choice, and you have to admit he looks exceedingly odd. Like an obese male Marilyn Monroe. He relishes his clown role and loves the attention of course, that's why he colours his hair peroxide blonde. No other way to call attention, he'd look boring like the Pilsbury dough boy otherwise. 

[stevenl]

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

There's two million people of Indonesian heritage in the Netherlands.  About 11 percent of the population.

 

That's 4 times more than Moroccans, and vastly more than Arabs in the Netherlands.

 

It's not consistent. The majority of Indonesians are muslims. If Wilders had his way they would all be deported. Including his Indonesian family, presumably?

 

If you want to be right wing, you have to be real right wing. You can't just pick and choose like in some candy shop. You can't support Israel, exempt Indonesians. That's not real right wing. 

 

Wilders is just a showman right winger, a right wing clown so to speak.

Nope. There's about 1.5 million indo's, but that's not the same as Indonesian. It denotes people of the general region.

Also, you referred to 'muslims from Indonesia ', a big part of the Indonesians in the Netherlands are of Moluk heritage, which is not Muslim.

[Cameroni]

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

Nope. There's about 1.5 million indo's, but that's not the same as Indonesian. It denotes people of the general region.

Also, you referred to 'muslims from Indonesia ', a big part of the Indonesians in the Netherlands are of Moluk heritage, which is not Muslim.

 

The estimates are 1.5 to 2 million, but either way that's a significant percentage of the tiny dutch population and certainly vastly more than Moroccans, Arabs or Africans.

 

So a Moluccan Indonesian is more attuned to the humanist judaeo Christian traditions of the Netherlands? I rather doubt it.

 

You could make that argument for the Toba Batak people of Indonesia at most, who are indeed Christians. However, the very, very vast majority of Indonesians are muslims.

[stevenl]

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

So a Moluccan Indonesian is more attuned to the humanist judaeo Christian traditions of the Netherlands? I rather doubt it.

 

You could make that argument for the Toba Batak people of Indonesia at most, who are indeed Christians. However, the very, very vast majority of Indonesians are muslims.

It doesn't matter what the vast majority of Indonesians believe. The Moluccans are traditionally Christian, which is one of the reasons they fought together with the Dutch for independence from Indonesia.

[Cameroni]

5 minutes ago, stevenl said:

It doesn't matter what the vast majority of Indonesians believe. The Moluccans are traditionally Christian, which is one of the reasons they fought together with the Dutch for independence from Indonesia.

 

The majority of Moluccans are muslims.

 

"Majority follow Islam with Christianity being the second major religion of most Moluccans."

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moluccans

 

There are a small number of Christian Indonesians, but they are mostly Toba Batak people.

 

The number of Moluccans in Indonesia incidentally is exceptionally small. They form a mere 50,000 or so of the 1.5 to 2 million Indonesians in Holland.

 

[Magictoad]

5 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Wilders was extensively discussed in leaked American diplomatic cables. In a briefing to president Barack Obama, he was described as "no friend of the US:

 

Wilders has been bleaching and dyeing his hair to peroxide-platinum blond since at least the mid-1990s.

 

He gives even anti-Islamists a bad name as his hatred for Islam is so extreme he distorts the Koran, a book he wanted to ban in Holland, he quotes verses and misinterprets them with the aim to incite hatred of Muslims.

 

He is so extreme he was banned from the United Kingdom. 

 

Home Secretary Jacqui Smith banned Wilders from entering the United Kingdom, labeling him an "undesirable person"

 

He is married to a Hungarian Jewess and bends the knee to Israel. He called for Judaism to be recognised as a state religion in Holland.

 

Wilders also is very good friends with that charlatan and fraud Ayaan Hirsi Ali, as she is also a fellow anti-Muslim fanatic.

 

He strolls around with his plantinum blonde dyed hair like a hatred-filled peacock. I've never seen anyone more contemptible rise to high office in Europe who was so extreme. Nigel Farage is a moderate by comparison.

 

 

 

 

You seem to have strong views on his hair colour and the way he walks; are you sure that make him a bad man? It's interesting that you mention he's been banned from Britain.  Many people have also been banned from Britain for having negative views of Islam as many people do these days. He is not the only one. I'm afraid to say banning people is becoming very common these days.

[Cameroni]

9 minutes ago, Magictoad said:

You seem to have strong views on his hair colour

 

I do, he looks like a peroxide blonde clown, like a cartoon figure.

 

9 minutes ago, Magictoad said:

are you sure that make him a bad man?

 

He may not be a bad man, it would appear person to person he's affable, and perhaps he's morally righteous. However, his political judgement, supporting a feminist liar, a documented liar and fraudster, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, is a big strike against him.

 

He doesn't seem like a true right winger either, supporting Israel and exempting muslim Indonesians from his anti-Islam tirades. He's a candy shop rightwinger who picks and choose what suits him, not a true old school right winger. 

 

If Otto Skorzeny hat taken one look at this peroxide blonde clown he'd probably get a laughing fit.

 

 

[stevenl]

11 hours ago, Cameroni said:

Majority follow Islam with Christianity being the second major religion of most Moluccans."

 

Yes, now. The Christians moved to the Netherlands. We're talking about Indonesians in the Netherlands here, not Indonesians in Indonesia.

[FlorC]

11 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Surely you jest.

 

The most obvious common practice is the statement of the absolute unity of God, which Muslims observe in their five times daily prayers (salat), and Jews state at least twice (Shema Yisrael), along with praying 3 times daily. The two faiths also share the central practices of fasting (see Yom Kippur and Ramadan) and almsgiving, as well as dietary laws and other aspects of ritual purity. Under the strict dietary laws, lawful food is called Kosher in Judaism and Halal in Islam. Both religions prohibit the consumption of pork. Both practice circumcision.

 

Abraham and other figures appear in the Koran.

 

Islam and Judaism both consider the Christian doctrine of the trinity and the belief of Jesus being God as explicitly against the tenets of monotheism. Idolatry and the worship of graven images is likewise forbidden in both religions. Both have official colors (Blue in Judaism and Green in Islam). Both faiths believe in angels, as servants of God and share a similar idea of demons (Jinn and Shedim); Jewish demonology mentions ha-Satan and Muslim demonology mentions Al-Shai'tan both rejecting him as an opponent of God. Many angels also possess similar names and roles in both Judaism and Islam. Neither religion subscribes to the concept of original sin and both religions traditionally view homosexuality as sinful. Narrative similarities between Jewish texts and the Hadith have also been noted. For example, both state that Potiphar's wife was named Zuleika.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic–Jewish_relations#:~:text=The two faiths also share,prohibit the consumption of pork.

 

 

Okay, you got me there. But Ayaan Hirsi Ali? A fraudster, feminist and liar, this is whom he hitches his wagon to?

 

 

As the son of an Indonesian woman it seems an odd choice, and you have to admit he looks exceedingly odd. Like an obese male Marilyn Monroe. He relishes his clown role and loves the attention of course, that's why he colours his hair peroxide blonde. No other way to call attention, he'd look boring like the Pilsbury dough boy otherwise. 

I know you've had your problems with women , is it the reason for being so hostile against Ayaan Hirsi Ali ?

I see nothing wrong with her besides she being a Somalian and got citizenship in Holland, although lawfully.

 

So what he has an Indonesian mother ? 

Ok , you don't like him and you don't like his hair ....🙄

 

He's Holland's only hope.

[FlorC]

11 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

The estimates are 1.5 to 2 million, but either way that's a significant percentage of the tiny dutch population and certainly vastly more than Moroccans, Arabs or Africans.

 

So a Moluccan Indonesian is more attuned to the humanist judaeo Christian traditions of the Netherlands? I rather doubt it.

 

You could make that argument for the Toba Batak people of Indonesia at most, who are indeed Christians. However, the very, very vast majority of Indonesians are muslims.

1.5 to 2 million he ? BS.

 

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/ethnic-groups-in-the-netherlands.html

[FlorC]

10 hours ago, Cameroni said:

He doesn't seem like a true right winger either, supporting Israel and exempting muslim Indonesians from his anti-Islam tirades

So Trump is not right wing ? He kisses Israel's a$$.

 

A true right winger is automaticly an Israel supporter ????????????

[Cameroni]

57 minutes ago, FlorC said:

I know you've had your problems with women , is it the reason for being so hostile against Ayaan Hirsi Ali ?

 

I don't have the kind of problems with women you mean and the reason I don't like Ayaan Hirsi Ali is that she is a total fraud and a liar. A documented liar at that.

 

Even her name, Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a fraud. It's not her name.

 

"In May 2006, the TV programme Zembla reported that Hirsi Ali had given false information about her name, her age, and her country of residence when originally applying for asylum, in a documentary called "The Holy Ayaan""

 

"In her asylum application, she had claimed to be fleeing a forced marriage, but the Zembla coverage featured interviews with her family, who denied that claim. "

 

She is a complete, f*****g liar. A total fraud.

 

"The program alleged that, contrary to Hirsi Ali's claims of having fled a Somali war zone, the MP had been living comfortably in upper middle-class conditions safely in Kenya with her family for at least 12 years before she sought refugee status in the Netherlands in 1992. In her version of events, she had fled civil war in Somalia, was forced into an arranged marriage with a man whom she had never met and was not present at her own wedding. Upon escaping she was forced into hiding in the Netherlands, for her ex-husband and father's brothers would have been by Somali custom, required to perform an honor killing. According to witnesses on the programme, she left Somalia prior to any mass violence and led a comfortable, upper-middle class life in neighboring Kenya"

 

 

Hirsi Ali had already admitted to friends and VVD party colleagues that she had lied about her full name, date of birth, and the manner in which she had come to the Netherlands in her asylum application, but persisted in saying it was true that she was trying to flee a forced marriage.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayaan_Hirsi_Ali

 

Her autobiographies are full of lies, inconsistencies and dripping with hate and falsehoods.

 

Not only is Hirsi Ali (not her real name) a complete fraud and liar, she also participated with Theo van Gogh in making the vile trash "Submission". For those who have not seen it, this "film" is akin to Streicher's Der Stuermer, basically hate propaganda showing semi-naked women being abused while citing verses of the Koran. Without a doubt one of the most vile and digusting films ever made, born of hatred and ignorance.

 

To cap it all she is an imperialist feminist radical, who wants to impose her radical feminism on the whole world, claiming to be an ethnic authentic voice, whe she was always raised in a comfortable western way. 

 

A bigger fraud and liar than Ayaan Hirsi Ali is hard to imagine. Not only does Wilders championing of her show he has no judgement, but the fact that she retained dutch citizenship, after it was established that she lied with total abandon on her application and she admitted this, shows that the Netherlands ignores its own laws. The only reason she was able to retain her dutch passport was because she was at the time part of the dutch political class herself and in parliament and her political colleagues ensured the laws would not apply to her. Political nepotism if you will. Any other person who had been discovered lying on her asylum application the way Hirsi Ali did would have lost her passport. Her political friends, alas ensured, she could keep all her privileges, despite the fact she was a fraud and a liar.

 

Neeldess to say her embarassment was such that she had to flee the Netherlands and emigrated to the US. Incidentally, she proves not only Wilder's poor judgement, but also Niall Ferguson's, the idiot married the lying hound.

 

1 hour ago, FlorC said:

So what he has an Indonesian mother ? 

 

Nothing wrong with it. But given his cartoonish and pathological muslim hatred, only topped by his fellow muslim hater Ayaan Hirsi Ali, don't you think it's odd he's not called for the  huge muslim Indonesian contingent in Holland to be expelled?