Trump's crackdown on LA protests is pure hypocrisy

[mogandave]

1 minute ago, Peabody said:

The ability to think?

Due process.

What due process are illegal aliens entitled to? 

 

What due process are illegal aliens that have had deportation orders issued against them entitled to? 

[FolkGuitar]

13 minutes ago, mogandave said:

What due process are illegal aliens entitled to? 

 

What due process are illegal aliens that have had deportation orders issued against them entitled to? 

Oh, the sheer unmitigated ignorance...  Unbelievable!  And I'll bet you call yourself an American patriot, right?

Due Process Rights in America: Application to All, Including Illegal Aliens

Everyone physically present in the United States—including undocumented immigrants (often referred to as "illegal aliens")—is guaranteed due process under the U.S. Constitution.

Constitutional Basis

• The Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments guarantee that no person (not just citizens) shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law

• .

• The Supreme Court has consistently ruled that these protections apply to all people on U.S. soil, regardless of their legal status

• .

[SunnyinBangrak]

39 minutes ago, ericthai said:

I think the "Commander and Chief" can call in the military when a good amount of citizens from another country has taken over areas of the USA by force waving the flag of their home country.....I believe this would be considered an invasion in any other country.  

Im thinking Trump might want to call in someone with a stellar record of quashing violent leftist dirtbags. Get Kyle Rittenhouse in charge of restoring law and order in LA. In fact, make him the emergency governer of California before the whole state is lost forever.

[mogandave]

2 minutes ago, FolkGuitar said:

Oh, the sheer unmitigated ignorance...  Unbelievable!  And I'll bet you call yourself an American patriot, right?

Due Process Rights in America: Application to All, Including Illegal Aliens

Everyone physically present in the United States—including undocumented immigrants (often referred to as "illegal aliens")—is guaranteed due process under the U.S. Constitution.

Constitutional Basis

• The Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments guarantee that no person (not just citizens) shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law

• .

• The Supreme Court has consistently ruled that these protections apply to all people on U.S. soil, regardless of their legal status

• .

So you do not know, I thought not.

 

 I know everyone has due process rights, I never said they did not. And while those rights are the same for everyone in a criminal court, they are not the same not the same in an immigration court. 

 

Secondly, anyone that has had a deportation order issued against them has already had due process in regard to whether or not they can be deported. 

[dinsdale]

1 hour ago, Peabody said:

The ability to think?

Due process.

Due process for MS13/Tren de Aragua members, murderers, child rapists, fentanyl drug runners, human traffickers etc who are in the country illegally? To say these people should be protected and not deported immediately or thrown into US jails if crimes have been committed in the US is lunacy. If they are on a TPS the courts DO NOT have jurisdiction. @mogandave is correct 

"rights are the same for everyone in a criminal court, they are not the same not the same in an immigration court. 

 

Secondly, anyone that has had a deportation order issued against them has already had due process in regard to whether or not they can be deported."

 

[Peabody]

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

Due process for MS13/Tren de Aragua members, murderers, child rapists, fentanyl drug runners, human traffickers etc who are in the country illegally?

Correct. Now you're starting to understand our Constitution. 👏

[bannork]

Retired Maj. Gen. Randy Manner, who previously headed up the National Guard, is tearing into President Donald Trump over his move to nationalize the Guard against protesters in California, The Daily Beast reported on Monday.

 

He said : “There are over a million badged and trained members of law enforcement in this country for the governor to ask for help if he needs it.  This is an inappropriate use of the National Guard and is not warranted.”

'Bad for all Americans': Ex-National Guard leader slams Trump move

 

 

 Meanwhile  the Governor of California, Gavin Newsom, said that Trump's claim that the President talked to him on Friday about using the National Guard showed that Trump was a stone-cold liar. 

What a tremendous phrase: a stone cold liar...lol

[JAG]

8 hours ago, kevozman1 said:

 

Personally I am of a mixed opinion of the concept of nationalism, but however just to remind you and others that if you have a legit problem with nationalism then Thailand is an incompatible destination for you as it's a highly nationalistic society (as you already know but I just like hypocrisy to be pointed out).

Thank you for your observation. It has no relevance whatsoever to this discussion.

[JAG]

8 hours ago, ericthai said:

I think the "Commander and Chief" can call in the military when a good amount of citizens from another country has taken over areas of the USA by force waving the flag of their home country.....I believe this would be considered an invasion in any other country.  

Perhaps so, but shouldnt there be, at least be a formal public declaration or finding that that has actually happened, rather than a late night posting frenzy on the President's own social media channel, principally characterised by referring to the Governer of California by derogatory nicknames based on "puns" of his name?

 

You know, dignity of the Office of President, gravity and magnitude of events which threaten the country and so on?

 

One other point, should such steps be taken after deliberate attempts to manufacture the initial crisis by various Federal agencies, operating together to undermine the settled municipal and state authorities, municipal and state authorities which have, after all been elected! It might be deferred in "child speak" as picking a fight, we are after all dealing with an administration which is often compared with children having tantrums!

[Hummin]

9 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Was the report ordered repeatably to move back and was refusing? 

You see clear in the Pic, he impulsively rise his gun and fire at her, no normal person do that when the camera is aimed at you, and no normal well trained professional police officer do that even without camera present. 

 

I just can't understand the Amarican mentality, but I understand where the violence comes from. No brainer

[KhaoHom]

13 hours ago, cjinchiangrai said:

I still have a brain, unlike MAGA morons.

 

Your posts tell us this is wholly untrue

[Yagoda]

13 hours ago, LosLobo said:

Norway’s “murderous socialism,” by the numbers:

Norway isnt socialist. Its a Social Democracy. Its a different animal.

 

I defy anyone to show me a Socialist regime that isnt murderous. None of you can, because there isnt one.

[Yagoda]

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

I just can't understand the Amarican mentality

Freedom is tough to grasp for some

[Hummin]

16 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Freedom is tough to grasp for some

A policeman shooting at a female journalist doesn't align with your idea of freedom. 

 

Even the biggest idealist should manage to understand that

[JAG]

19 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Freedom is tough to grasp for some

True perhaps, certainly I have a problem coming to terms with the freedom of policemen to fire baton rounds at TV reporters who posed no threat whatsoever to life or property.

 

I understand that the Australian Government are furious about the incident, but they come from a tradition where the right to fire baton rounds 'willy nilly' is not a 'freedom'.

[Yagoda]

1 minute ago, JAG said:

True perhaps, certainly I have a problem coming to terms with the freedom of policemen to fire baton rounds at TV reporters who posed no threat whatsoever to life or property.

You were there and saw and heard it all?

 

1 minute ago, JAG said:

I understand that the Australian Government are furious about the incident, but they come from a tradition where the right to fire baton rounds 'willy nilly' is not a 'freedom'.

LIke Australia is a beacon of freedom? Ask the Aboriginies.

[Yagoda]

4 minutes ago, Hummin said:

A policeman shooting at a female journalist doesn't align with your idea of freedom. 

She shouldnt be in the way. Bet ya they get out of the way of the water cannon over in those civilized countries where they use those.

 

I wonder how the Ukrainians would handle a demonstration in Kiev where folks are waving Russian flags, burning stuff and attempting to murder policemen.

[Hummin]

Just now, Yagoda said:

You were there and saw and heard it all?

 

LIke Australia is a beacon of freedom? Ask the Aboriginies.

Auch, as said many times before, your ignorance have no end😁

 

You care so much about the Greenlanders and also native Americans and continue to reminding us about the slavery and the segregation that existed until a few decades ago.

 

What do you take us for? Being stupid?

[Yagoda]

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

What do you take us for? Being stupid?

Well actually yes. For example your response is incoherent.

[JAG]

10 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

You were there and saw and heard it all?

No of course not. Neither, may I point out were you. The widely broadcast footage of the incident however seems pretty clear that she was not a threat.

[Yagoda]

5 minutes ago, JAG said:

No of course not. Neither, may I point out were you. The widely broadcast footage of the incident however seems pretty clear that she was not a threat.

Got it. You see what you want to see. Tell me, do you see any efforts to murder police officers?

[Hummin]

38 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Well actually yes. For example your response is incoherent.

Coming from you, I take that as a compliment! 

 

No need to convince you, I rather let your hypocrisy speaks for itself, where you are not able to reckoning unnecessary brutality from your own police who is supposed to serve and protect. 

 

That means try to minimize damage as much as possible. Shooting at a journalist who might serve their agenda, and justify their presence during violent riots. 

 

You have to understand, they failed big time when they shoot a journalist 

[Yagoda]

12 minutes ago, Hummin said:

reckoning unnecessary brutality from your own police who is supposed to serve and protect. 

 

Got it. Do you feel bad for the injured cops? Already one arrest for attempted MURDER of a police office. I have sat here on TV and watched at least 200 attempts to murder police officers. Got something to say about that? You going to deny that rioters are trying to kill police officers?

 

Nah, some whiny journalist got hit with a pepper ball.

 

This is a clearly planned insurrection. Foreign flags are being flown, weapons are being used, organized preparations are made by organized groups and the LA Cops on the front lines are being sold out by restrictive ROE. Far as I am concerned, Trump should declare Antifa, La Raza, the SWP, and all of these assorted groups as terrorist organizations.

[Hummin]

6 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Got it. Do you feel bad for the injured cops? Already one arrest for attempted MURDER of a police office. I have sat here on TV and watched at least 200 attempts to murder police officers. Got something to say about that? You going to deny that rioters are trying to kill police officers?

 

Nah, some whiny journalist got hit with a pepper ball.

 

This is a clearly planned insurrection. Foreign flags are being flown, weapons are being used, organized preparations are made by organized groups and the LA Cops on the front lines are being sold out by restrictive ROE. Far as I am concerned, Trump should declare Antifa, La Raza, the SWP, and all of these assorted groups as terrorist organizations.

If you remember, I do think about the policemen safety, also at Capitol Hill during the January riots inside the Government building.

 

Just one more time, the journalists are there for both parts to document violence no matter which side, and that stupid cowardly policemen without provocation fired at her? 

 

I'm sure even you understand how bad that looks

[Yagoda]

Just now, Hummin said:

Just one more time, the journalists are there for both parts to document violence no matter which side, and that stupid cowardly policemen without provocation fired at her? 

 

Were you there and do you know the whole story?

 

THis isnt Jan 6. These folks are waving Palestinian and Mexican flags and attempting to murder policeman over and over. You are a terrorist apologist.

[Hummin]

6 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Were you there and do you know the whole story?

 

THis isnt Jan 6. These folks are waving Palestinian and Mexican flags and attempting to murder policeman over and over. You are a terrorist apologist.

I have spent my qouta on ignorance today. Another day Yagoda, 

 

The real truth is, we do not know the truth, all can be gone on a fraction of a blink. The mortality of everything makes life precious and everyday worth living. Every breath is like being reborn, over and over, again and again, because it could be your last. 

 

And yet here we are wasting time

[MarcelV]

Watching the mayhem in the US from Thailand , I love it. Hopefully President Trump declares martial law across the entire country and does a full power grab.

Tear down that democracy, Mr. Trump!

[Chomper Higgot]

10 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Due process for MS13/Tren de Aragua members, murderers, child rapists, fentanyl drug runners, human traffickers etc who are in the country illegally? To say these people should be protected and not deported immediately or thrown into US jails if crimes have been committed in the US is lunacy. If they are on a TPS the courts DO NOT have jurisdiction. @mogandave is correct 

"rights are the same for everyone in a criminal court, they are not the same not the same in an immigration court. 

 

Secondly, anyone that has had a deportation order issued against them has already had due process in regard to whether or not they can be deported."

 

And yet numbers of court rulings demonstrate that’s not the case.

[Chomper Higgot]

34 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Got it. Do you feel bad for the injured cops? Already one arrest for attempted MURDER of a police office. I have sat here on TV and watched at least 200 attempts to murder police officers. Got something to say about that? You going to deny that rioters are trying to kill police officers?

 

Nah, some whiny journalist got hit with a pepper ball.

 

This is a clearly planned insurrection. Foreign flags are being flown, weapons are being used, organized preparations are made by organized groups and the LA Cops on the front lines are being sold out by restrictive ROE. Far as I am concerned, Trump should declare Antifa, La Raza, the SWP, and all of these assorted groups as terrorist organizations.

You watched at least 200 attempts to murder cops?

 

Have you been on the ‘Dark Web’ again?

 

“This is a clearly planned insurrection“

 

Calm down, it’s not an insurrection.

 

[Yagoda]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

You watched at least 200 attempts to murder cops?

 

Have you been on the ‘Dark Web’ again?

 

“This is a clearly planned insurrection“

 

Calm down, it’s not an insurrection.

 

How many hours of live footage have you watched?

 

You dont think throwing a commercial firework at a cop is attempted murder? Or hunks of concrete.

 

What do you call a situation where armed criminals attempt to take over a street while waving foreign, including terrorist flags?