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15 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

West is obsessed with labels

Just live and let live

 

Someone will be along soon to thumbs down your rational comment. 

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Just now, blaze master said:

 

Someone will be along soon to thumbs down your rational comment. 

In the west people all get labelled - snob, bogan, moron, gay, fw etc

 

It is so ridiculous.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Packer said:

The whole pride thing is very odd. 

 

Why should people be proud of their sexual preference? 

 

The opposite of pride? Shame.  Gay people in the West had to hide their sexuality for fear of persecution and prosecution.  Even today prejudice and discrimination are rife.  That's enough to make gay men and women feel ashamed of their sexuality.  The "whole pride thing" is an attempt, partially, to address the shame.

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29 minutes ago, Zaphod Priest said:

 

The opposite of pride? Shame.  Gay people in the West had to hide their sexuality for fear of persecution and prosecution.  Even today prejudice and discrimination are rife.  That's enough to make gay men and women feel ashamed of their sexuality.  The "whole pride thing" is an attempt, partially, to address the shame.

 

Rubbish. In. Canada you are legally allowed to put x as your gender on your passport. Seems pretty prejudice and discriminatory to me. 

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An action taken that addresses the thoughts of the majority.  Not that common I think.  I'm happy the Lords have taken this action, about as happy to see Pride flags flying too.  It doesn't bother or affect me, but I tend to agree with Zaphod about what happened in the past; Alan Turing being one example of far too many.  

 

But it's gone too far when Pride starts splintering into ever more radical factions, such as mentioned in GanDoonToonPet's post.  

 

Also reminds me of the BLM movement; needed as in the past black lives didn't matter and generally a positive and peaceful movement, but even that started to splinter into groups such as Say Her Name as BLM's focus on women was not strong enough, and allegations of using money raised for a $6m house without good justification.

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Posted
3 hours ago, Jim Blue said:

Believe some of the Lords weren't so Lordly in the past .Lord Boothby comes to mind  .......

Up to him. No-one else's business, as long as it's legal. Live and let live.

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5 hours ago, Zaphod Priest said:

 

The opposite of pride? Shame.  Gay people in the West had to hide their sexuality for fear of persecution and prosecution.  Even today prejudice and discrimination are rife.  That's enough to make gay men and women feel ashamed of their sexuality.  The "whole pride thing" is an attempt, partially, to address the shame.

Including up until recently members of the House of Lords.

 

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3 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:


Soeaking from experience?

 

They certainly look like Nazi, Gestapo, SS to me. 
 

The hypocrisy is astounding.  
 

Dressing like the men who burned them.

 

Anti-gay?  Where are getting this from?

 

Because I speak the truth.?  

You should be supporting me for bringing this hypocrisy to light.

Lol. Can you get any more ridiculous? 

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I don't care whether this Lordly greazy (sic) spoon hash house keeps up those decorations or not.

But I do think it might be relevant if they put up decorations for other celebratory holidays such as Christmas.

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5 hours ago, mogandave said:

Is pride not number one of the seven deadly sins?

 

It ranks above: greed, lust, envy, gluttony, wrath and sloth. 

 

 

It's not biblical pride in which a creator god tries to suppress worship in anything but himself. 

 

Are you not proud of your family, your achievements, your work ethic, your country etc.? It's that kind of pride. 

 

Not everything relates to Christian dogma. Pride is famously secular.

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The word Pride in the context of Gay Pride is twisted by the bigots. Another case of willfully ignorant terminal literalism. 

Gay people have been severely oppressed throughout history.

They have been conditioned to be ashamed of who they are, to hide it or face severe consequences even prison or murder, etc.

Many straight people are perhaps completely incapable of understanding the psychological trauma of being forced to live a double life in the closet.

Even today in "advanced" countries gay people are usually in a situation where they feel a survival need to hide who they are depending on social situation and geography.

So the word Pride in that context simply means a political and psychological attempt to REJECT such oppression.

Internationally, how that works varies a lot.

In Russia today, displaying pride stuff labels you as a criminal enemy of the state so obviously very few people are wiling to risk that.

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1 minute ago, ThreeCardMonte said:


I’ve backed up what I posted with facts.

 

You have become flustered because you can’t come up with an intelligent response.

Oh come on. Try a bit harder. I suppose it's a fact that the leather biker in the Village People was I fact a Nazi. Google it.

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7 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

The word Pride in the context of Gay Pride is twisted by the bigots. Another case of willfully ignorant terminal literalism. 

Gay people have been severely oppressed throughout history.

They have been conditioned to be ashamed of who they are, to hide it or face severe consequences even prison or murder, etc.

Many straight people are perhaps completely incapable of understanding the psychological trauma of being forced to live a double life in the closet.

Even today in "advanced" countries gay people are usually in a situation where they feel a survival need to hide who they are depending on social situation and geography.

So the word Pride in that context simply means a political and psychological attempt to REJECT such oppression.

Internationally, how that works varies a lot.

In Russia today, displaying pride stuff labels you as a criminal enemy of the state so obviously very few people are wiling to risk that.

 

Hetro people owe you nothing. You've already stolen your own dignity. What's to respect? It's just perversion over normality. There is no gay gene. It's just a fetish for dressing in the opposite genders clothing and of course leather.

 

You attempt to explain all this away by calling us all bigots and what not. This is pure gaslighting and Sorry, that's just not going to fly anymore.

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