BREAKING NEWS Israel says it has launched strikes on Iran's 'nuclear programme

[Evil Penevil]

1 hour ago, Bannoi said:

The real problem is Israel is in the wrong place relocate it to the US or Hawai and problem solved.

 You can't relocate a historical homeland.  And moving all Israelis to New York wouldn't give Jews a sovereign homeland, which is an absolute necessity for the survival of both Jews and Judaism.

[lungbing]

10 hours ago, John Drake said:

The Shah sure looks better these days. Too bad France propped up khomeini and then helped him take over Iran.

They did the same with Ho Chi Minh and Vietnam.

[Felton Jarvis]

Viva Israel. The only free country in the Middle East.

[ExpatOilWorker]

[3NUMBAS]

It would need US bunker buster missiles to do the job properly

[Bannoi]

8 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

 You can't relocate a historical homeland.  And moving all Israelis to New York wouldn't give Jews a sovereign homeland, which is an absolute necessity for the survival of both Jews and Judaism.

It was tongue in cheek bit like Trump turning Gaza into a playground for the rich.

[Yellowtail]

4 hours ago, coolcarer said:

Will Greta be jumping on a boat to Iran next?  Sandwiches in hand this time.

[Yellowtail]

18 minutes ago, Bannoi said:

It was tongue in cheek bit like Trump turning Gaza into a playground for the rich.

Why would Trump build a playground for Democrat doners? 

[ThreeCardMonte]

23 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

It would need US bunker buster missiles to do the job properly

I’m sure that can be “arranged “.

 

All under 300 billion to boot.

[Patong2021]

7 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

I think he is referring to the hard leftists that support Ukraine and are anti-Israel. 

Thank you for clarifying.

[CG1 Blue]

7 hours ago, johng said:

They never have been compliant with international requests..but now have unconditional support from the world bully and think they can get away with anything.

Do you believe Iran should be trusted to continue with their nuclear program?

Given their track record of backing multiple terror groups around the ME, do you think the Iranian regime would hesitate to use nuclear weapons against Israel? 

 

I dread the thought of all out war, but I'd rather see it now with 'conventional' weapons than waiting for Iran to launch nukes at Israel. Now that really would be the end game!

 

 

Iran has long maintained that its nuclear programme is for peaceful, civilian purposes only.

This week, the watchdog's board of governors formally declared Iran in breach of its non-proliferation obligations for the first time in 20 years.

An earlier IAEA report said Iran had enriched uranium to 60% purity, near weapons grade, to potentially make nine nuclear bombs.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdj9vj8glg2o

[Patong2021]

1 hour ago, lungbing said:

They did the same with Ho Chi Minh and Vietnam.

It was all about a weak former world  power trying to retain influence and relevance at a time when other nations were establishing their dominance. WW II was the end of the old European powers and the desperation with which the French tried to remain relevant was tragic.

 

4 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

I thought you guys are the anti war folks. Now it is ok to spend tax payers money on war? 

 

Iran was a demonstrable threat. It had attempted to assassinate President Trump. It is a sponsor of international terrorism . It  kept Assad the despot in power and was complicit in the deaths of  600,000 Syrians and the creation of 14 million refugees. It is the sponsor of Hezbollah which refuses to accept the authority of the Lebanese government, Iran is the sponsor of the Houthis and complicit in the  deaths of 250,000 Yemenis and the  creation of millions of refugees in Yemen. Iran   has weekly rallies  that culminate with chants of death to the UK, USA and Israel. Iran was just  found to have hidden  its nuclear materials, and  its deceptive  nuclear arms activities exposed. It  has  negotiated in bad faith in respect to a nuclear arms  agreement.  So, it was only a matter of time before Iran  acted on its threats. Israel was going to get nuked at some point. 

 

Tax payers money has not been spent on war. On the contrary, the USA has done  its utmost to prevent this event. Iran instead chose to lie and to drag out the nuclear  talks, acting in bad faith. This is Israel's party, and it is  taking all the risks.

 

4 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Who is giving Israel the data on Iran's targets? US and UK?

Israel has 12 spy and communication satellites. It launched its Ofek 13 state of the art spy satellite  in March 2023.  Israel is also receiving the support of a large number of Iranian dissidents who have suffered under the tyrannical religious regime. The fact that Israel was able to station drones in Iran  before the attack and to then successfully launch them speaks to the support network. There are thousands of brave and heroic Iranians risking their lives for the freedom of their  people. 

 

The Kurds  have also had  good relations with Israel. In the early 1960's, it was Iran that convinced Israel to support the Kurds and  acted as the intermediary and introductory  agent. Since that time, Kurds have relied on Israeli humanitarian care, support for its refugees, and military support.  The Azerbaijanis have tacitly allowed  Israel to  operate from their nation, although they officially deny it.  

 

The takeaway is that Israel may be executing the operation, but they had help from many people  in the region, especially Iranians.

 

4 hours ago, johng said:

Hypocrites US as usual.

They say they had no involvement and warn Iran not to hit their assets in the region or there will be trouble

Itching for WWIII. !!! 

 

The USA had no direct involvement in this. It did all that it could do to avoid the conflict. it was Iran who negotiated in bad faith and tried to play the USA. All the USA is saying is to leave it alone and that the Gulf Arab nations who host USA  forces have nothing to do with this.

 

4 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Where's the Star of David?

 

Why would the President  have a star of David? That is a crude attempt to say that he is under the influence of the juden. In addition to be your being a self appointed expert on infectious disease, you are now  sharing hateful  prejudiced  ignorance.  What's next, claiming Israel invented Covid?

[Evil Penevil]

 

11 hours ago, John Drake said:

The Shah sure looks better these days. Too bad France propped up khomeini and then helped him take over Iran.

Yup. Under the Shah, Iran had amicable relations with Israel, including full diplomatic recognition. Iran had been the only Muslim-majority country to do so.

 

4 hours ago, NickyLouie said:

Iran really was holding an empty hand it seems when it comes to having any military capabilities.

Iran has a large military force, with close to one million men under arms,  counting both active duty personnel and reservists.  However, the Iranian armed forces are undertrained and underequipped.  Much of the military equipment the military uses is obsolete, especially the Iranian Air Force.  It has virtually no air defenses against Israel.

 

Another problem is that the Iranian armed forces are poorly led, with officers of all ranks chosen more on belief in Islam and loyalty to the mullahs than military skill.  And should Iran ever become involved in a war than required full deployment of its armed forces, it would face a very real risk of  domestic rebellion from those tired of the Islamist government as well as minority groups such as Kurds, Azeris and Balochs.  The Iranian government remains in power through tight control by the military of all opposition.  If it is diverted from domestic suppression, rebellion is almost certain.  Iran's leaders know that well.

 

1 hour ago, Bannoi said:

It was tongue in cheek bit like Trump turning Gaza into a playground for the rich.

 

It's a bit hard to know when people are being tongue-in-cheek.  Through the years, I've heard many opponents of Israel suggest in all seriousness that Israelis should be moved to the U.S.

[NickyLouie]

7 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

However, the Iranian armed forces are undertrained and underequipped.  Much of the military equipment the military uses is obsolete, especially the Iranian Air Force.  It has virtually no air defenses against Israel.

 

 

 

 

[rabas]

4 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

US shared intelligence and reconnaissance data with Israel and are inevitably drawn into the war. No war Trump only for the gullibles.  

 

It probably wasn't your friend the US. Israel knows 10X what foreign intelligence knows. Iran, and its proxies, are crawling with Mossad. They know where senior leaders are at all times, knew where they were sleeping last night. They even have agents in top positions. Top leaders that survived last night were probably Mossad agents. But you, I, and the US will likely never know.

[Tug]

1 hour ago, CG1 Blue said:

Do you believe Iran should be trusted to continue with their nuclear program?

Given their track record of backing multiple terror groups around the ME, do you think the Iranian regime would hesitate to use nuclear weapons against Israel? 

 

I dread the thought of all out war, but I'd rather see it now with 'conventional' weapons than waiting for Iran to launch nukes at Israel. Now that really would be the end game!

 

 

Iran has long maintained that its nuclear programme is for peaceful, civilian purposes only.

This week, the watchdog's board of governors formally declared Iran in breach of its non-proliferation obligations for the first time in 20 years.

An earlier IAEA report said Iran had enriched uranium to 60% purity, near weapons grade, to potentially make nine nuclear bombs.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdj9vj8glg2o

Unfortunately when a nation is attacked it tends to unify not disintegrate + the greater threat by far is N Korea.i hope it’s successful in regime change in Iran and concludes quickly with a positive result for world peace unfortunately I doubt that will be the case.

[Oliver Holzerfilled]

Don't see any reports of collateral damage yet.  Seems at least the Iranians fight like men instead of hiding themselves and military supplies in hospitals and elementary schools like Hamas.  And they probably don't wear women's clothes to avoid capture either.

[Middle Aged Grouch]

Simply put, Israel with US support as always (even before Trumpy)....Israel is plainly provoking WW3. Not saying they are wrong or right. Plainly saying that bombing a sovereign enemy usually does not end well for anybody. Mainly the innocent civilians on both sides who do not give a f..... of the absurd belligerences of their corrupt politicians. Like it or not, but diplomacy has always been the best way to make a deal and avoid further disaster. 

[johng]

21 hours ago, Yagoda said:

We arent shooting are we. And this isnt a war, its target practice. 

It's a war  aimed at regime change 

with US backing...a very dangerous escalation.

[Yagoda]

35 minutes ago, johng said:

It's a war  aimed at regime change 

with US backing...a very dangerous escalation.

Yep, except the players are big boys, that being turkey and Azerbaijan.

 

My honest prediction would be that Iran dismembers with Azeri part integrating into Azerbaijan, but Baluchistan staying with Persia. That of course serves as a complete land bridge between Turkey and Azerbaijan so as to satisfy erdogan's dream of pan turkism, and give both of those decently wealthy countries a chance to fortify trade links and bring economic development to the middle of nowhere.

 

Strategically that also pulls Turkmenistan out of the Russian orbit giving the West and Turkey/ Azerbaijan access to the enormous energy resources of Turkmenistan.

 

The Armenians of course lose to the extent that they would be surrounded on three sides by Turkic enemies, yet at the same time they share a border with Georgia and both being Christian nations will move closer together for self-defense. Russia of course becomes irrelevant once Iran drops since they don't have the money to exercise influence there, so all they can do is guarantee Armenia's existence against Azerbaijan which probably isn't necessary if we do it via the Armenian lobby in the USA.

 

Syria is already kissing Trump's ass and their former terrorist leader is smart enough to recognize that terrorism is bad for a business. Since Syria has fallen, Hezbollah is quiet, and Hamas is probably 2 to 3 months away from being destroyed in total, faster if the Mullahs in Iran fall. The houthis are a pin prick and know that if they start anything their worthless country will be turned into glass.

 

Remember, right now, the great snake of the Middle East is taking a brutal beating and there is nobody in the Middle East that can stop Israel from doing what they're doing even if all the other Air forces got off the ground. Which they are not going to do cuz we're not going to let them.

 

I would assume that borders and everything are going to be decided between Turkey, Azerbaijan, Saudi Arabia Iran Israel and the US. Basically at this point in time the war is over since Israel controls the skies and the entire Middle East and all Iran can do is kill some kids and old people. They just have to decide how much of a beating they want to take.

 

I love the way mossad infiltrated Iran. I'm sure that a lot of other countries are thinking about that. You wonder how many are up there already in Tabriz in Southern Azerbaijan, considering the extremely close relationship between Azerbaijan and Israel. For you elders of Zion gang, did you know that the president of Azerbaijan's personal bodyguard is made up of retired Israeli paratroopers? Well paid, quite loyal and deadly. Beyond that little tidbit for your feverish anti-Semitic dreams, you have to remember how wealthy and influential the mountain jew community is in both Israel and Azerbaijan.

 

Anybody care to dispute the above analysis with something more than your boring little orchestrated emojis?

[stevenl]

The Iranian reaction so far has been restrained. My guess is they won't really retaliate military but covertly, both in the region and in the west. Maybe also a closure of the strait of hornuz?

[NickyLouie]

Just now, stevenl said:

The Iranian reaction so far has been restrained. My guess is they won't really retaliate military but covertly, both in the region and in the west. Maybe also a closure of the strait of hornuz?

 

LOL , they got folded on the first day and all their other "leaders" did a total runner wondering when the Mossad hit squad was going to have them in their sites.

 

 

[stevenl]

25 minutes ago, NickyLouie said:

 

LOL , they got folded on the first day and all their other "leaders" did a total runner wondering when the Mossad hit squad was going to have them in their sites.

 

 

You seriously think Iran will not retaliate?

[JetsetBkk]

52 minutes ago, NickyLouie said:

 

LOL , they got folded on the first day and all their other "leaders" did a total runner wondering when the Mossad hit squad was going to have them in their sites.

 

 

What does "folded" mean? 

[JetsetBkk]

1 hour ago, JetsetBkk said:

What does "folded" mean? 

Delete that. You mean they folded. Got it. 

[Evil Penevil]

3 minutes ago, JetsetBkk said:

Delete that. You mean they folded. Got it. 

 

There's another meaning of "folded" according to the Urban Dictionary.  I interpreted @NickyLouie's comment to mean top Iranian miliary commanders and scientists were killed.

 

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Folded&page=1

[Evil Penevil]

 

 

2 hours ago, stevenl said:

The Iranian reaction so far has been restrained. My guess is they won't really retaliate military but covertly, both in the region and in the west. 

 

 Seems like your guess was a bit off.

Iran attacks Israel in retaliation, killing at least 3 and injuring dozens of others

Sirens blared throughout Tel Aviv and smoke billowed in the sky as people ran for shelter during Iran's retaliatory strikes against Israel on Friday night into Saturday morning, killing at least 3 people and injuring dozens of others.

https://www.npr.org/2025/06/13/nx-s1-5432437/israel-attacks-iran-retaliation-nuclear

 

Katz says Ayatollah regime ‘crossed red lines’ with barrages at civilian centers, will pay heavy price
Defense Minister Israel Katz says Iran has “crossed red lines after it dared to fire missiles at civilian population concentrations in Israel.”

“We will continue to defend the citizens of Israel and ensure that the Ayatollah regime pays a very heavy price for its heinous actions,” he adds

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/katz-says-ayatollah-regime-crossed-red-lines-with-barrages-at-civilian-centers-will-pay-heavy-price/

 

Israel Warns ‘Tehran Will Burn’ If Iranian Strikes Continue as Countries Trade Deadly Missiles

Israel’s Defense Minister Israel Katz on Saturday morning threatened severe consequences if Iran’s Supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei doesn’t retreat. “If Khamenei continues to fire missiles at the Israeli home front, Tehran will burn,” Katz said, after a meeting with leaders of the Israeli military.

“The Iranian dictator is turning Iran’s citizens into hostages and creating a reality in which they, especially the residents of Tehran, will pay a heavy price for the criminal attacks on Israeli civilians.”

https://time.com/7294186/israel-warns-tehran-will-burn-deadly-strikes-traded-nuclear-program/

 

2 hours ago, stevenl said:

Maybe also a closure of the strait of hornuz?

 

It's doubtful Iran has the military resources to close the Strait of Homuz.  It could perhaps disrupt shipping to some degree, but not maintain an effective closure.

 

Assessing the threat to oil flows through the Strait

An excerpt:

However, despite repeated Iranian threats to close the Strait of Hormuz during the Tanker War, Iran did not follow through with this threat.

The only chokepoint to be completely blocked by a relatively recent regional conflict was the Suez Canal between 1967 and 1975. However, the Suez Canal is only 984 feet wide at its narrowest point, whereas the Strait of Hormuz is 25-30 miles wide at its narrowest point.

https://www.strausscenter.org/strait-of-hormuz-faq/

 

2 hours ago, NickyLouie said:

LOL , they got folded on the first day and all their other "leaders" did a total runner wondering when the Mossad hit squad was going to have them in their sites.

 

The command structure of the Iranian military is hurt badly by these assassinations.  The promotion of generals depends on their adherence to Islam and loyalty to the mullahs as much or more than their military skill and experience.  Finding suitable replacements for the generals killed could take the mullahs awhile.

[stevenl]

17 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

Seems like your guess was a bit off.

Far from. This was restrained, they have more options than the drones and slow missiles used now.

[Evil Penevil]

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

Far from. This was restrained, they have more options than the drones and slow missiles used now.

 

To remind you once again:

 

2 hours ago, stevenl said:

My guess is they won't really retaliate military but covertly, both in the region and in the west.

 

The words "My guess" in your sentence referred to military retaliation.  If raining barrages of missiles on Israel isn't military retaliation, what would you call it?  And I have to ask:  By "covertly," do you mean terrorist bombings or other terrorist actions in the region (Middle East?) and in the West (Europe, North and South America, Australia)?

[SamSaraburi]

On 6/13/2025 at 5:32 PM, Yagoda said:

We arent shooting are we. And this isnt a war, its target practice. 

Who is “we”?