Was the Senator Padilla incident the beginning of true authoritarianism in America?

[spidermike007]

I was quite shocked to witness the takedown of Padilla as he attempted to ask a simple question of Kristi Noem. The level of intolerance that this administration has shown toward people who have the audacity to ask a simple question about policy has been rather alarming. 

 

Though the White House goons insist that he lunged toward her and that he walked into the room without anyone knowing who he was, in this interview he clearly states that he was escorted into the room by an FBI agent and a member or the National Guard, so it was clearly known who he was. The rest is just morally bankrupt distortion, deflection and lies. 

 

"Chaotic scenes in which Sen. Alex Padilla (D-Calif.) was pressed to the ground and handcuffed by federal agents set the political world aflame Thursday. Padilla had come to a news conference being held by Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem, raising his voice to ask questions. Agents, reportedly including at least one member of Noem’s official security detail, swarmed Padilla, moving him to a corridor before pressing him to the ground and placing the handcuffs on him. The sheer potency of the Padilla video is more powerful than anything else."

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5348010-senator-padilla-incident-political-tensions/

 

 

 

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[SunnyinBangrak]

Small beer compared to your man Biden literally trying to create a Ministry of Truth to censor facts about him. Were you upset about literal authoritarisnism when it was your own team doing it? No. So, why now?

[spidermike007]

38 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Small beer compared to your man Biden literally trying to create a Ministry of Truth to censor facts about him. Were you upset about literal authoritarisnism when it was your own team doing it? No. So, why now?

That is a really weak comparison. I'm sure with all the intellectual power that you have you can muster up something better than that. Come on, consider it a challenge. 

 

I think we can admit that all presidents lie and all administrations are corrupt, that's not really what we're talking about here, authoritarianism goes way beyond corruption. It's a completely different thing. 

 

A president attempting to censor facts about himself, and his poor health, is a very different thing than administration members attempting to distort actual things that have happened, and the facts behind the events.

 

Are you willing to at least admit that? 

 

One of the problems here is that Noem picked on the wrong guy. This guy is not your average working class Latino. Padilla is an MIT graduate in mechanical engineering, the youngest LA city council president in its history, a former California state senator who passed over 70 bills, a former California secretary of state, who was re-elected receiving the most votes of any Latino elected official in the US. This is a man who has accomplished a tremendous amount during his career. He is the leading lawmaker from California and he's a very distinguished, very smart, and very articulate gentleman. 

[JAG]

7 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

That is a really weak comparison. I'm sure with all the intellectual power that you have you can muster up something better than that. Come on, consider it a challenge. 

 

I think we can admit that all presidents lie and all administrations are corrupt, that's not really what we're talking about here, authoritarianism goes way beyond corruption. It's a completely different thing. 

 

A president attempting to censor facts about himself, and his poor health, is a very different thing than administration members attempting to distort actual things that have happened, and the facts behind the events.

 

Are you willing to at least admit that? 

 

One of the problems here is that Noem picked on the wrong guy. This guy is not your average working class Latino. Padilla is an MIT graduate in mechanical engineering, the youngest LA city council president in its history, a former California state senator who passed over 70 bills, a former California secretary of state, who was re-elected receiving the most votes of any Latino elected official in the US. This is a man who has accomplished a tremendous amount during his career. He is the leading lawmaker from California and he's a very distinguished, very smart, and very articulate gentleman. 

Yes but Kristi Noem has a really good dressing up box - she is not known as the "Cosplay Queen" for nothing!

[frank83628]

9 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

I was quite shocked to witness the takedown of Padilla as he attempted to ask a simple question of Kristi Noem. The level of intolerance that this administration has shown toward people who have the audacity to ask a simple question about policy has been rather alarming. 

 

Though the White House goons insist that he lunged toward her and that he walked into the room without anyone knowing who he was, in this interview he clearly states that he was escorted into the room by an FBI agent and a member or the National Guard, so it was clearly known who he was. The rest is just morally bankrupt distortion, deflection and lies. 

 

"Chaotic scenes in which Sen. Alex Padilla (D-Calif.) was pressed to the ground and handcuffed by federal agents set the political world aflame Thursday. Padilla had come to a news conference being held by Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem, raising his voice to ask questions. Agents, reportedly including at least one member of Noem’s official security detail, swarmed Padilla, moving him to a corridor before pressing him to the ground and placing the handcuffs on him. The sheer potency of the Padilla video is more powerful than anything else."

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5348010-senator-padilla-incident-political-tensions/

 

 

 

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So you are shocked at him being restrained, but not at his childish outburst, unbefitting  for an adult, especially a politician

[blaze master]

7 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

 

A president attempting to censor facts about himself, and his poor health

 

Both administrations are guilty of this. You can debate who does it more but does that really matter.

 

As you said they all lie. It would be wonderful to have a government that didnt. 

[Felton Jarvis]

All the cops involved in the assault on Senator Padilla should be fired and all benefits revoked. They should enjoy working at WalMart for the rest of their worthless lives.

[Tug]

9 hours ago, Felton Jarvis said:

All the cops involved in the assault on Senator Padilla should be fired and all benefits revoked. They should enjoy working at WalMart for the rest of their worthless lives.

Nonsense perhaps more training and an apology.but you combine this with trump pushing were he isent needed his absolute betrayal of the constitution the plane cloths combat ready shock troops operating out of unmarked vans the murders in Minnesota the b day parade…..the viscous over the top retroic…absolutely it’s in your face plane as day.good post btw Mr Mike!

[JAG]

 I really don't know what all the fuss is about!

 

He is Californian, Latino and  a Democrat politician.

 

What further justification is needed for a good slapping by the Federal Goons?

[sqwakvfr]

8 minutes ago, JAG said:

 I really don't know what all the fuss is about!

 

He is Californian, Latino and  a Democrat politician.

 

What further justification is needed for a good slapping by the Federal Goons?

It did not look like the DHS agents knew Padilla was a Senator.  He looked angry and was walking towards Noem and the agents did their job. I only know of Padilla because I lived in CA  for many years.  Maybe the DHS agents were not from CA? Many people know who the other CA Senator is. Yes the famous Adam Schiff and if he was there most would have known he was a senator.  Padiila is less know nationally.  Could Padilla have done things differently? Don't know because he said after that he was "peaceful".    

[HappyExpat57]

Ask yourself - HONESTLY  - if Padilla was instead named Representative Jones, or Smith, and had a white hue to his skin, behaving in the exact same manner (asking a question as is his right and his responsibility), would he have been treated the same way?

[Mike_Hunt]

19 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

I was quite shocked to witness the takedown of Padilla as he attempted to ask a simple question of Kristi Noem. The level of intolerance that this administration has shown toward people who have the audacity to ask a simple question about policy has been rather alarming. 

 

Though the White House goons insist that he lunged toward her and that he walked into the room without anyone knowing who he was, in this interview he clearly states that he was escorted into the room by an FBI agent and a member or the National Guard, so it was clearly known who he was. The rest is just morally bankrupt distortion, deflection and lies. 

 

"Chaotic scenes in which Sen. Alex Padilla (D-Calif.) was pressed to the ground and handcuffed by federal agents set the political world aflame Thursday. Padilla had come to a news conference being held by Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem, raising his voice to ask questions. Agents, reportedly including at least one member of Noem’s official security detail, swarmed Padilla, moving him to a corridor before pressing him to the ground and placing the handcuffs on him. The sheer potency of the Padilla video is more powerful than anything else."

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5348010-senator-padilla-incident-political-tensions/

 

 

 

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He bum rushed the podium.   What the hell is wrong with you?

[Mike_Hunt]

2 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

Ask yourself - HONESTLY  - if Padilla was instead named Representative Jones, or Smith, and had a white hue to his skin, behaving in the exact same manner (asking a question as is his right and his responsibility), would he have been treated the same way?

Yes, don't bum rush the podium.  

[sqwakvfr]

"One of the problems here is that Noem picked on the wrong guy. This guy is not your average working class Latino. Padilla is an MIT graduate in mechanical engineering, the youngest LA city council president in its history, a former California state senator who passed over 70 bills, a former California secretary of state, who was re-elected receiving the most votes of any Latino elected official in the US. This is a man who has accomplished a tremendous amount during his career. He is the leading lawmaker from California and he's a very distinguished, very smart, and very articulate gentleman"

 

I lived in LA County for over 50 years and I know who Alex Padiilla is.  But about someone from elsewhere?  I do not disagree as to what he accomplished for LA or CA but if I am from South Dakota or Norht Dakota I could care less who he is or what he did on a city or state level.  

 

Would you know a Senator from the Dakotas on site without checking your phone? I have no idea who most US Senators are except for the well known ones like Schumer, McConnell, Tim Kaine (mostly because he was Hilary's running mate) .  The rest I probably would not recogzine if I were to see them on the street. 

[dinsdale]

19 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

I was quite shocked to witness the takedown of Padilla as he attempted to ask a simple question of Kristi Noem. The level of intolerance that this administration has shown toward people who have the audacity to ask a simple question about policy has been rather alarming. 

 

Though the White House goons insist that he lunged toward her and that he walked into the room without anyone knowing who he was, in this interview he clearly states that he was escorted into the room by an FBI agent and a member or the National Guard, so it was clearly known who he was. The rest is just morally bankrupt distortion, deflection and lies. 

 

"Chaotic scenes in which Sen. Alex Padilla (D-Calif.) was pressed to the ground and handcuffed by federal agents set the political world aflame Thursday. Padilla had come to a news conference being held by Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem, raising his voice to ask questions. Agents, reportedly including at least one member of Noem’s official security detail, swarmed Padilla, moving him to a corridor before pressing him to the ground and placing the handcuffs on him. The sheer potency of the Padilla video is more powerful than anything else."

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5348010-senator-padilla-incident-political-tensions/

 

 

 

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I saw it live. It was a press conference. He showed no respect, was asked to leave and resisted instead of peacefully following directions. If he had questions he should've raised them at his own press conference. It was as political stunt.

[Quentin Zen]

Planet of the Apes is coming.   Every second controlled by our smartphones, chains around our ankles, doomed for sure...

 

Once America puts everyone under the Dome of Death, then UK will follow and soon we will all be working in the mines.

 

What you wish for would end the Earth as we know it!!!!! lol

 

morally bankrupt has been a worthless term since 1648.    I once told JP and Rock this back in the day.....then I tried telling the Illuminati.  

 

good morning comedy, love the gloomers because it's simply a reflection of one's own circumstances.  

[Quentin Zen]

19 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

deflection and lies.

 

Is this a deflection as well?    Am I deflecting from your deflection?  Am I deflecting from the truth?  Is the truth deflecting?  

 

We have a deflector.

 

 

[EVENKEEL]

10 hours ago, Felton Jarvis said:

All the cops involved in the assault on Senator Padilla should be fired and all benefits revoked. They should enjoy working at WalMart for the rest of their worthless lives.

What assault? 

[sqwakvfr]

Does Alex Padilla think everyone in CA and LA knows who he is? I doubt it I wonder if he had walked with the protestors in downtown how many would know that he was a Senator unless he was introduced as such. Most of the people I know in CA and LA do not know who there elected represntatives are.  Many do not seem to care. Possibly a better approach for Senator Padilla would have been to stand next to one of the reporters and ask Noem a question or even better contact her office and request a face to face meeting?  Of course a closed door meeting with Noem would not have a dramatic impact for the world to see. This episode is over and there willl be more to come.  

[FolkGuitar]

Right or wrong in this issue has become irrelevant.

He was treated like a person of color and just thrown to the floor.

It makes no difference 'who' he was, just 'what' he was not!

He was not white.

Had he been white, he would have been treated differently. We've seen this many times before.

Frankly, I'm surprised no one was standing on his neck!

[nick supreme]

20 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

I was quite shocked to witness the takedown of Padilla as he attempted to ask a simple question of Kristi Noem. The level of intolerance that this administration has shown toward people who have the audacity to ask a simple question about policy has been rather alarming. 

 

Though the White House goons insist that he lunged toward her and that he walked into the room without anyone knowing who he was, in this interview he clearly states that he was escorted into the room by an FBI agent and a member or the National Guard, so it was clearly known who he was. The rest is just morally bankrupt distortion, deflection and lies. 

 

"Chaotic scenes in which Sen. Alex Padilla (D-Calif.) was pressed to the ground and handcuffed by federal agents set the political world aflame Thursday. Padilla had come to a news conference being held by Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem, raising his voice to ask questions. Agents, reportedly including at least one member of Noem’s official security detail, swarmed Padilla, moving him to a corridor before pressing him to the ground and placing the handcuffs on him. The sheer potency of the Padilla video is more powerful than anything else."

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5348010-senator-padilla-incident-political-tensions/

 

 

 

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I'm scared that Trump will declare martial law and arrest all the state and local law makers. 

[EVENKEEL]

11 minutes ago, nick supreme said:

I'm scared that Trump will declare martial law and arrest all the state and local law makers. 

Now, get back under your bed. It's not safe for you.

[MalcolmB]

19 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Small beer compared to your man Biden literally trying to create a Ministry of Truth to censor facts about him. Were you upset about literal authoritarisnism when it was your own team doing it? No. So, why now?

That is right Sunny.

They are all idiots over there the left and the right dragging each other down instead of working together to make the country good for its citzens.

 

Some are worried about Irans nuclear capabilities, personally I worry more about the American nut jobs. I think so the world will have to band together to de- nuclearize the USA.

 

If they are not fighting themselves they are always looking for a fight elsewhere. If they don’t have a good reason to attack they simply make one up, weapons of mass destruction etc

It is a sick and disgusting mentality.

[dinsdale]

18 minutes ago, FolkGuitar said:

Right or wrong in this issue has become irrelevant.

He was treated like a person of color and just thrown to the floor.

It makes no difference 'who' he was, just 'what' he was not!

He was not white.

Had he been white, he would have been treated differently. We've seen this many times before.

Frankly, I'm surprised no one was standing on his neck!

The race card. Typical. Race doesn't matter. Did you not see "white" activist leftists being forcefully removed from Kennedy's Senate Hearing Committee?

[spidermike007]

1 hour ago, sqwakvfr said:

It did not look like the DHS agents knew Padilla was a Senator.  He looked angry and was walking towards Noem and the agents did their job. I only know of Padilla because I lived in CA  for many years.  Maybe the DHS agents were not from CA? Many people know who the other CA Senator is. Yes the famous Adam Schiff and if he was there most would have known he was a senator.  Padiila is less know nationally.  Could Padilla have done things differently? Don't know because he said after that he was "peaceful".    

You're obviously speaking without knowing the facts, he was escorted into the room by an FBI agent and a National Guard after being told that Noem was speaking in there, so everybody knew who he was, the rest is as he said total BS and total nonsense, and nothing but a cover-up. 

[spidermike007]

33 minutes ago, sqwakvfr said:

Does Alex Padilla think everyone in CA and LA knows who he is? I doubt it I wonder if he had walked with the protestors in downtown how many would know that he was a Senator unless he was introduced as such. Most of the people I know in CA and LA do not know who there elected represntatives are.  Many do not seem to care. Possibly a better approach for Senator Padilla would have been to stand next to one of the reporters and ask Noem a question or even better contact her office and request a face to face meeting?  Of course a closed door meeting with Noem would not have a dramatic impact for the world to see. This episode is over and there willl be more to come.  

Again you're speaking without knowing the facts, he had been contacting her office consistently for 3 months requesting an interview, and they would not even give him the courtesy of a reply.

 

He was with a national guardsman and an FBI agent being escorted to a meeting when he was told that Noem was speaking in the room and asked if he would like to ask her a question. Everyone knew who he was. 

 

Sometimes reality can be quite a different thing from total BS White House spin. 

[blaze master]

31 minutes ago, nick supreme said:

I'm scared that Trump will declare martial law and arrest all the state and local law makers. 

 

Tump can't just declare martial law. 

[sqwakvfr]

9 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

You're obviously speaking without knowing the facts, he was escorted into the room by an FBI agent and a National Guard after being told that Noem was speaking in there, so everybody knew who he was, the rest is as he said total BS and total nonsense, and nothing but a cover-up. 

So he was publicly announced as "US Senator has now entered the room?".  I did not see that part.  Just because someone is escorted into a room does that make the person important or a Senator.  If he was escoted in then was DHS informed that a US Senator had entered the room or not?  Then where was the FBI agent when DHS agents approache Senator Padilla?  Everyone knew he was in the room?  

Cover up? It was recorded.  He is a Senator and he was forcibly removed from a DHS news conference. What next? Impeachment against Noem? Have the DHS agents investigated for civil rights violation?  Any thoughts as to what should happen next? 

 

[jerrymahoney]

This from the ABC report:

 

"The folks that were escorting me in the building walked me over. I didn't even open the door. The door was opened for me. And I spent a few minutes in the back of the room just listening in until the rhetoric, the political rhetoric got to be too much to take. So, I spoke up," he later added.

During her news conference, Noem claimed she was going to "liberate" Los Angeles "from the socialists and the burdensome leadership this governor and mayor have placed on this country and this city."

 

Padilla told MSNBC that he felt he needed to speak out, said he introduced himself and started asking a question before the officers pushed him out of the room as news cameras, reporters and onlookers recorded the incident.

 

After he was quickly released, he and Noem had a private conversation for "10-15 minutes" after the incident, according to both the senator and the secretary.

Noem said that Padilla will likely not be charged.

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/padilla-pushes-back-noems-claim-barged-news-conference/story?id=122817212

[FolkGuitar]

6 minutes ago, blaze master said:

 

Tump can't just declare martial law. 

 

Correct. But he can invoke the Insurrection Act, and THEN declare Martial Law.

And after that, ' temporarily' stop elections in order to 'protect the people' from fake elections.'
We're just one executive order away from a total dictatorship.