2 hours ago, Mitkof Island said:

Much the same as the laws in America not to be smoked in public. Which leaves the home you live in. Which means basically if you don,t live here (expat) you can not smoke it. Have a Thai I.D card show it buy your stuff and go home. This thins out the tourist idiots who don,t give a damn about ANY Thai laws anyway. End of issue!

 

Having said that if you are off by yourself on a remote beach who really cares. Only some Thai government dude that was never voted into office.

How does he get home from the beach? He'll be unable to drive for hours.

11 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

How does he get home from the beach? He'll be unable to drive for hours.

Can't he simply be responsible and walk, or take public trans.

5 hours ago, blaze master said:

 

Huge difference between smoking and edibles or drops. The buzz is not the same at all. 

Is he smoking for the buzz, or medicinal as implied ?  

 

People getting stoned wasn't exactly the purpose for decriminalizing weed.  The stoners just screwed themselves, along with other responsible indulgers, as the few always do, so now they got tight restrictions and soon enforcement of marijuana sales.

 

Typical abuse of some freedoms, now cry about the reaction.

 

Som nam naa ❤️

24 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

It is supposed to be "Medication", not catching a buzz, Cheech.

Smoking may give a faster effect, but the dosing is inconsistent and wears off relatively fast. Ingestion provides a longer lasting and more consistent dose. Edibles have a slower type of  metabolism., but are more potent.   Liquid forms of THC can deliver the  drug faster than a solid edible and are less potent, allowing for incremental dosing.  Medications need to be consistent in their dosing, to be effective. 

 

Ok so let's move past your outdated  childish dig at me......

 

The dosing with flower is not inconsistent provided the farm does their job. Flower can be tested and measured to ensure a consistant product. Strain terpene levels and thc. Measured intake ie 1gram makes it quite easy to find consistency.

 

Edibles may or may not be more potent it depends on various factors and what form of cannabis it is measured against. Flower vs edible vs concentrates for example. The key components are terpenes and thc levels. Which are easily measured in a lab in mg.

 

Edibles do not necessarily have a slower type of metabolism. New product called Nano emulsified edibles have changed all that. With effect taking only a few minutes now. Also edibles are processed through your liver vs smoking or vaping flower. An entirely different method of delivery.

 

The body processes edibles vs flower vs oil differently hence my original comment. Then you also have full spectrum vs isolated products. Ie flower and concentrate vs distillate or d9.

 

Its like oxycotin for example. Designed as an oral medication with a slow release but its well known that abuse happened. People were crushing it up and snorting it. Producing a different effect vs oral intake. Thus changing the *buzz*

34 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Is he smoking for the buzz, or medicinal as implied ?  

 

People getting stoned wasn't exactly the purpose for decriminalizing weed.  The stoners just screwed themselves, along with other responsible indulgers, as the few always do, so now they got tight restrictions and soon enforcement of marijuana sales.

 

Typical abuse of some freedoms, now cry about the reaction.

 

Som nam naa ❤️

 

For some people the buzz is the medicinal aspect. This is subjective from person to person though. More research is needed into cannabis to have a better understanding. Which was hampered by years of prohibition and lack of access to proper research.

 

You are correct that it was abused but that also comes from how the roll out happened. No foresight just some rich politicians looking to make a buck. Without a care of the consequences. 

 

They need to look to Canada how to do it right. Legalized federally and highly controlled and regulated.

1 hour ago, Patong2021 said:

Smoking may give a faster effect, but the dosing is inconsistent and wears off relatively fast. Ingestion provides a longer lasting and more consistent dose.

 

Fully agreed. That’s also why I like to mix the two, since I enjoy both effects. The edible oil feels much more powerful than vaping, and it gives me more of a body high. I do have to be careful though, because if I take too much oil, I can get a bit of vertigo or feel nauseous. That never happens with vaping, but I also never find vaping to be as strong as the oil.

 

You make a good point: if his goal really is medical use, then he shouldn’t be so focused on smoking. If it’s for medical reasons, it’s usually because you want a physical effect, and in that case, edibles would be the better choice.

11 minutes ago, blaze master said:

 

For some people the buzz is the medicinal aspect. This is subjective from person to person though. More research is needed into cannabis to have a better understanding. Which was hampered by years of prohibition and lack of access to proper research.

 

You are correct that it was abused but that also comes from how the roll out happened. No foresight just some rich politicians looking to make a buck. Without a care of the consequences. 

 

They need to look to Canada how to do it right. Legalized federally and highly controlled and regulated.

I think the market found its own level through supply and demand rather than any kind of abuse. You also have to remember that around 90% of cannabis consumption in Thailand is local, so price is a huge factor. As more people entered the business and production increased, sellers had to cut prices to stay competitive and keep products affordable for local buyers. Over-regulating and bringing in heavy government involvement just adds fees and costs that push prices up and slow the market down, which helps no one.

 

Sure, you could argue about the benefits of health regulations and regulation use of pesticides, but look at the reality: go to any salad bar in a high-end Bangkok supermarket, fill up a box of vegetables, and send it to a lab. There’s a good chance you’ll find dangerous levels of pesticides. There’s very little enforcement in Thai agriculture overall. Adding more cannabis regulations and saying it’s under government control doesn’t guarantee clean, pesticide-free weed, just like it doesn’t guarantee clean fruits and vegetables here either.

32 minutes ago, blaze master said:

Also edibles are processed through your liver vs smoking or vaping flower. An entirely different method of delivery.

Not known to be heavy on the liver though. Acetaminophen and Paracetamol are much more liver toxic, and people take that every day.
 

Also, milk thistle, one of the most amazing herb on the planet (discovered by the Greeks), does wonders for the liver, but also requires strong daily doses. I use it continuously. Everyone who drinks should be taking it. 

2 minutes ago, RSD1 said:

As more people entered the business and production increased, sellers had to cut prices to stay competitive and keep products affordable for local buyers

 

You also have to factor in the huge illegal export market that was going on. Also the shady practices used by some large outsiders in growing. Stealing electricity was and is a big issue as well. 

2 minutes ago, RSD1 said:

Not known to be heavy on the liver though.

 

Depends on the quality of cannabis also. Who knows what effects residual chemicals etc may have on your liver.More research is needed and is being conducted.

6 minutes ago, blaze master said:

 

You also have to factor in the huge illegal export market that was going on. Also the shady practices used by some large outsiders in growing. Stealing electricity was and is a big issue as well. 

Sure, but there is corruption and abuse in every industry, black markets, etc. Lots of counterfeits in the cigarette industry too. Anyway, not sure how government regulation really stops any of this. There is probably a larger flow of illegal drugs moving through Thailand now than there ever was. So much for regulation and criminalization. Seems to me illegal flow of cannabis is the least of their worries. 

4 minutes ago, blaze master said:

 

Depends on the quality of cannabis also. Who knows what effects residual chemicals etc may have on your liver.More research is needed and is being conducted.

Usually for things to be liver toxic, they have to be consumed constantly and in very potent doses. I don't think that really applies to THC edibles. 10mg at most on average. Nah. No worries. 

1 minute ago, RSD1 said:

Sure, but there is corruption and abuse in every industry, black markets, etc. Lots of counterfeits in the cigarette industry too. Anyway, not sure how government regulation really stops any of this. There is probably a larger flow of illegal drugs moving through Thailand than there ever was. So much for regulation and criminalization. Seems to me illegal flow of cannabis is the least of their worries. 

 

Absolutely.

 

In canada for example though the black market has been decimated due to legal cannabis. Yes its still there in a small role but its a former shell of what it used to be. 

 

Better products still though 😆 not that I would know anymore.

6 minutes ago, blaze master said:

Better products still though 😆 not that I would know anymore.

FondMemories 😀

13 hours ago, Wuvu2 said:

What are the legal rights and restrictions on where patients can smoke their meds?  In a condo where one might smoke on the balcony or indoors in the bedroom, what Thai laws permit or restrict one over the other?  Has anyone heard a statement from the police about restrictions or rights of individual patients? 

 

 

 

 

 

This might be a good question for your "Doctor" or your "Pharmacist"?

 

AFAIK, smoking cannabis anywhere where it might be considered an annoyance remains illegal. Definitely illegal in/near schools, temples.

 

Individual establishments and buildings may have their own "rules", such as condos, hotels, restaurants, clubs, etc.

 

I have not seen any statement from the RTP re: cannabis patients' rights.

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, KhunLA said:

הוא לא יכול פשוט להיות אחראי וללכת ברגל, או לנסוע בתחבורה ציבורית.

I leave on the beach 

Of course, being courteous is a must, but then there are "marijuana Karens" in the world who smell things no other neighbors can smell, and use complaints maliciously. Possession is a different issue from smoking in a building. Trying to ban possession was a Karen thing to do...and it didn't make it past the courts. 

 

The legal question is not as dumb as some seem to think. The primary legal instrument for this is the Public Health Act B.E. 2535 (1992), particularly its provisions related to public nuisance. In 2022, the Ministry of Health issued a notification that clarifies that causing smoke or odor from cannabis, hemp, or other types of plants which may deteriorate or harm the health of bystanders or any person who suffers from such an action, is considered a public nuisance under the Public Health Act. It goes on to define a nuisance, including frequency, a mechanical measurement of smell strength, and most importantly a true demonstrable impact on the health of others.

 

Then, based on that law local police department set some standards as to what they believe constitutes an actionable nuisance. If the police won't get involved, there's a way to ask for an investigation by the health department.  So, my question was about the publication of police standards for the enforcement of this law. I don't think that's been dealt with at a national level yet.

 

Karens sniffing at her neighbor's doors and declaring a health emergency does not meet the legal definition of a nuisance. There will eventually be a legal balance found between patients' rights to consume and those truly affected by a nuisance to protect their health.   

Its all about discretion and common sense. There are certain places i go where i know i can smoke without any problems. I don't smoke in bars or restaurants, but again, simply step outside away from people and have a few tokes, no big deal, it happens everywhere.

10 hours ago, blaze master said:

 

Huge difference between smoking and edibles or drops. The buzz is not the same at all. 

What does it matter?  I thought cannabis was for medical reasons to alleviate some illness etc.  

5 minutes ago, simon43 said:

What does it matter?  I thought cannabis was for medical reasons to alleviate some illness etc.  

 

Read my other detailed comment. It matters quite a bit. 

10 hours ago, RSD1 said:

I know, I was being sarcastic. But you've come to a pro-cannabis discussion and now you're dropping anti-cannabis tropes. Wrong place.
 

But what's actually nasty to you about using cannabis? The consumption of THC?

Smoking and vaping .... weed or tabacco.  The smell in bars that lingers in your hair and clothes, the smell in the street, the drifting stink from balconies, the lingering smell in hotel rooms.  Smokers and vapers who feel they have right to commandeer all the outside tables in restaurants, smokers who ignore the law because they feel their addiction is more important than the the rights of others.

 

Edibles and oils are a different matter, and I've eaten a few weed brownies myself, although the effect was so mild I assume there's more effective alternatives to smoking.

 

And yes, it's a cannabis forum, but that does not exclude views about smoking/vaping cannabis in communal areas, just as the political forum has opposing views.

 

And if the OP uses alternatives to smoking or vaping, no-one will care.

 

4 hours ago, Wuvu2 said:

Of course, being courteous is a must, but then there are "marijuana Karens" in the world who smell things no other neighbors can smell, and use complaints maliciously. Possession is a different issue from smoking in a building. Trying to ban possession was a Karen thing to do...and it didn't make it past the courts. 

 

The legal question is not as dumb as some seem to think. The primary legal instrument for this is the Public Health Act B.E. 2535 (1992), particularly its provisions related to public nuisance. In 2022, the Ministry of Health issued a notification that clarifies that causing smoke or odor from cannabis, hemp, or other types of plants which may deteriorate or harm the health of bystanders or any person who suffers from such an action, is considered a public nuisance under the Public Health Act. It goes on to define a nuisance, including frequency, a mechanical measurement of smell strength, and most importantly a true demonstrable impact on the health of others.

 

Then, based on that law local police department set some standards as to what they believe constitutes an actionable nuisance. If the police won't get involved, there's a way to ask for an investigation by the health department.  So, my question was about the publication of police standards for the enforcement of this law. I don't think that's been dealt with at a national level yet.

 

Karens sniffing at her neighbor's doors and declaring a health emergency does not meet the legal definition of a nuisance. There will eventually be a legal balance found between patients' rights to consume and those truly affected by a nuisance to protect their health.   

Are these the same people making up horror stories in certain national publications about some smoking weed believe they can climb walls like Spider Man and babies crawling around home eating candy and ending up in the hospital. So much Reefer Madness BS from over eighty years ago.

3 hours ago, Kinnock said:

Edibles and oils are a different matter, and I've eaten a few weed brownies myself, although the effect was so mild I assume there's more effective alternatives to smoking.

Probably the weed brownies you had didn’t contain much THC. They need at least 10 mg of THC per brownie to have a noticeable effect. A lot of people making homemade edibles have no idea how much THC they’re actually putting in. With my homemade cannabis oil, I have a good handle on the potency because I’ve tested different numbers of drops several times and now have dialed it in perfectly. That’s much harder with solid foods like brownies, since each piece can end up with varying amounts of THC. With edible oil, the THC per drop stays consistent throughout the entire batch, so after trying different doses of drops a few different times, you get a clear idea of exactly how much you need and how potent it is.

 

Also, I use a dry herb vaporizer in my apartment daily and blow the vapor out the window. There’s no smell at all and nobody in the building is bothered by it or notices anything.

1 hour ago, Mitkof Island said:

Are these the same people making up horror stories in certain national publications about some smoking weed believe they can climb walls like Spider Man and babies crawling around home eating candy and ending up in the hospital. So much Reefer Madness BS from over eighty years ago.

Same clan and mindset. I'm equally annoyed by folks who stand in front of 7-11 smoking a blunt as the intolerant people who think abstinence is the only solution for society. There is a middle ground - we just haven't figured it out yet.  Common sense would suggest that Thai authorities will look to more developed markets as an example for regulation. No sign of that yet 😉

2 hours ago, Kinnock said:

And if the OP uses alternatives to smoking or vaping, no-one will care.

As self-centered as I am, the question isn't about me. There will be a legal balance of rights that will eventually be worked out by the government. In the meantime the lack of clarity impedes everyone from getting along. If the standards were clear, most smokers would comply, and most non smokers would be tolerant of the balance.

35 minutes ago, Wuvu2 said:

There will be a legal balance of rights that will eventually be worked out by the government.

Sounds like very wishful thinking. Wouldn't hold my breath on that one. 

5 minutes ago, RSD1 said:

41 minutes ago, Wuvu2 said:

There will be a legal balance of rights that will eventually be worked out by the government.

Sounds like very wishful thinking. Wouldn't hold my breath on that one. 

Well yeah, gotta agree. There will be a law intended to strike a balance. You are right that many will still complain.  

22 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

I don't think so. He's a friendly guy.

Is that you again Susan? On another extended posting holiday again, are you? Don't worry bro, nobody appears to be gutted over it, so you're all good.