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Israel leveling Gaza

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49 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

So fervent. And yet, there is a  real genocide ongoing in Darfur, and you say and do notthinbg. Why is that?

Why so quiet on the  sectarian violence in  Syria as the  arab Sunni affiliated clans try and kill off Druze and drive out the   remaining Christians and Alawites. Hundreds have died in the past week, and not a word from you. Can we not get a wagging finger?

 

Thank you for that question and to answer it:

 

Because as much as I feel sorry for victims in Darfur and any other place on this globe, where innocent and helpless people are suppressed or even murdered there is one slight,  yet important difference to the Genocide in Gaza:

 

MY HOME COUNTRY DOES NOT SUPPORT THE PERPETRATOR WITH MONEY AND WEAPONS

 

THE PERPETRATORS OF THOSE GENOCIDES HAVE NOT CORRUPTED MY COUNTRY`S MORALS AND UNDERMINED MY FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

 

THEY HAVE NOT MADE MY GORVERNMENT CHANGE THE LAWS IN THEIR FAVOR

 

THEY HAVE NOT MADE MY COUNTRY BEING PROCECUTED FOR GENOCIDE OR COMPLICITY TO GENOCIDE:

 

Enough?

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43 minutes ago, SurferDave said:

Hamas is the ultimate poster child for FAFO. My experience working abroad is that groups like Hamas only understand one thing, the hammer. They started this with the full understanding of what Israel would do. That being said, they also knew they would find millions of people who would completely forget Hamas' atrocities and side with them once their well oiled propaganda wing swung into action.

 

Err ... it was not any well oiled propaganda but the well oiled Israeli army slaughtering innocent women and children and medics and journallists and helpworkers, and and and, which made people side with them and by THEM I mean the people of Gaza not Hamas.

 

 

43 minutes ago, SurferDave said:

Once Hamas propaganda takes hold in your mind, you won't fight your way towards what is right, you will fall into lock step with those others who are infected and overpowered through constant one sided reporting and short memories.

 

Now exchange Hamas with IDF and you do not nee to FA to FO

 

43 minutes ago, SurferDave said:

 The blather from terrorist sympathizers is all very predictable, "what about the children, the bombed schools and hospitals?" etc etc.

 

When people are shocked by the destruction of "children, schools and hospitals" they are sympathizing with children and their schools and hospitals and not with terrorists, That is only how you would like to label them.

 

which makes you a terrorist supporter, a supporter of those terrorists who kill children by the tens of thousands.

 

8 hours ago, Somjot said:

 

Your loss.

 

 

Let's not speak about your obviously racist opinion about our host country but if you would have read my post diligently you would have understood, that I was just giving an example.

 

So many people in so many countries on this planet share this opinion.

 

Nobody with a heart and a little compassion will support the mass slaughter of women and children no matter how many times they say: "this is all Hamas fault; if they wouldn't have attacked, those people wouldn't have been killed."

 

Sounds as logic as a foreigner having a car accident and despite clearly not being his fault the locals are  saying that it is his fault, because if he would have not spent his holiday in that place the accident would never have occurred.

 

And how my comment about the opinion of our host country towards Israel's actions and the very few supporting it having certain family names does lead you to the conclusion that I have issues with those family names, I do not dare to ask.

 

But seriously that's just beyond absurd

 

To cite myself:

 

 

 

 

"Buddy" to "racist" in 60 seconds.

 

Go cite yourself.

6 hours ago, Somjot said:

 

Thank you for that question and to answer it:

 

Because as much as I feel sorry for victims in Darfur and any other place on this globe, where innocent and helpless people are suppressed or even murdered there is one slight,  yet important difference to the Genocide in Gaza:

 

MY HOME COUNTRY DOES NOT SUPPORT THE PERPETRATOR WITH MONEY AND WEAPONS

 

THE PERPETRATORS OF THOSE GENOCIDES HAVE NOT CORRUPTED MY COUNTRY`S MORALS AND UNDERMINED MY FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

 

THEY HAVE NOT MADE MY GORVERNMENT CHANGE THE LAWS IN THEIR FAVOR

 

THEY HAVE NOT MADE MY COUNTRY BEING PROCECUTED FOR GENOCIDE OR COMPLICITY TO GENOCIDE:

 

Enough?

 

Enough shouting maybe.

 

PS: There's been no genocide in Gaza. None.

10 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   That is regarded as being an Anti semitic comment .

Likening Israel to Nazis would get you expelled from numerous public places , removed from Political parties and sacked from your job .

   Even UKs anti sematic Labour party would expel you if you were a member for saying that 

I think the term you are looking for is ‘cancelled’.


While the slaughter continues.

 

 

 

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As OP, I would like to say how impressed I am with @ChristineC’s presentation of facts and history.

 

She provides an eloquent and detailed narrative backed up with links.

 

There are some here who argue the Israel position in such a way, that if you weren’t anti-Israel before, you probably are now.

On 7/19/2025 at 8:33 PM, Nick Carter icp said:
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Neither was Oct 7, 820 civilians were killed. Israe since then have killed 870 babies under 1 year old, an no they weren’t armed. 

 

They would have grown up to be terrorists 

 

Do you support the murder of all Palestinian babies in Gaza? Or just some of them? 🙂

15 minutes ago, Packer said:

 

Do you support the murder of all Palestinian babies in Gaza? Or just some of them? 🙂

 

Do you believe everything that Hamas says?

9 hours ago, Somjot said:

 

Thank you for that question and to answer it:

 

Because as much as I feel sorry for victims in Darfur and any other place on this globe, where innocent and helpless people are suppressed or even murdered there is one slight,  yet important difference to the Genocide in Gaza:

 

MY HOME COUNTRY DOES NOT SUPPORT THE PERPETRATOR WITH MONEY AND WEAPONS

 

THE PERPETRATORS OF THOSE GENOCIDES HAVE NOT CORRUPTED MY COUNTRY`S MORALS AND UNDERMINED MY FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

 

THEY HAVE NOT MADE MY GORVERNMENT CHANGE THE LAWS IN THEIR FAVOR

 

THEY HAVE NOT MADE MY COUNTRY BEING PROCECUTED FOR GENOCIDE OR COMPLICITY TO GENOCIDE:

 

Enough?

 

Seems to me you have one position when it comes to Israel and another  for Muslim countries. There is no genocide in  Gaza. If there were, the numbers of  dead non combants would exceed that which we see in Yemen 300,000+, Darfur 300,000+, Syria 700,000+. The total number of dead spat out by Hamas includes combatant armed militants, logistics and supply personnel and other members of the Gazan campaign against Israel. Yes, there are civilian casualties. That is a byproduct of war. However, there is no Israeli organized campaign of execution of the  occupants of Gaza. Your excuse for ignoring the actual genocide in muslim countries is invalid.  The real reason you are so emotional is that you hate Israel. That's ok. Many people do. Why not just be honest and say that?  

 

Why are you silent on the  ceasefire agreement that has been with the Hama rulers since March? It gave Hamas much of what it  demanded. You blame the ongoing war on Israel, but there is a reason why the Arabs have lost patience with Gaza, and that is because Hamas and others want the war to continue. They have nothing left to lose now and will hold on until they are killed off. Egypt could easily open its border. Why are the arab countries refusing to take in wounded casualties? Aside from the small numbers used for PR purposes, the wealthy arab countries find reasons to decline to take wounded.

 

How has Israel undermined your freedom of speech? You are plastering this forum with your propaganda unimpeded.

41 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

As OP, I would like to say how impressed I am with @ChristineC’s presentation of facts and history.

 

She provides an eloquent and detailed narrative backed up with links.

 

There are some here who argue the Israel position in such a way, that if you weren’t anti-Israel before, you probably are now.

Of course you are. The newly minted identity  offered a revisionist history that agreed with your personal bias. It's as if the ottoman Empire never existed, and the importation of Arab workers to build the Suez canal did not occur either and Arabs did not migrate from the Arabian peninsula.

35 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

 

Do you believe everything that Hamas says?

 

I don't automatically believe everything anyone/any organization says. Which is why I research and analyze original sources.  

39 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

 

Do you believe everything that Hamas says?

Do you believe everything Israel says?

32 minutes ago, Packer said:

 

I don't automatically believe everything anyone/any organization says. Which is why I research and analyze original sources.  

 

An example of this is here:

 

 

@NanLaew

Whether the number is true or false is irrelevant to the posed question of whether the poster mentioned supports the murder of all Gazan infants, or only some. 🙂

I didnt know you were a Jew. Actually I don’t know who you are.

8 minutes ago, ChristineC said:

I didnt know you were a Jew. Actually I don’t know who you are.

 

Great observation. Nobody really knows who ANYBODY is on an internet forum. These days, they may not even be human. But some people do feel more comfortable when they can label or pigeonhole people, even the strangers. So for those of that persuasion, I'm actually a retired cheese mechanic from Dunbar.

Troll posts attempting  naming and shaming has been removed also a reply, you can stop that immediately @ChristineC 

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3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:
4 hours ago, NanLaew said:

 

Do you believe everything that Hamas says?

Do you believe everything Israel says?

 

No, I don't believe everything Israel says.

 

I'll try again, do you believe everything that Hamas says?

7 hours ago, NanLaew said:

 

Enough shouting maybe.

 

PS: There's been no genocide in Gaza. None.

What do you call killing 50 odd people every day as they’re waiting for food called?

 

 

3 minutes ago, ChristineC said:

What do you call killing 50 odd people every day as they’re waiting for food called?

 

 

 

Recent events.

 

Previously, it was refugee camps. More recently it's been crowded hospitals, UN food warehouses, etc..

5 minutes ago, ChristineC said:

What do you call killing 50 odd people every day as they’re waiting for food called?

 

 

Not a genocide. 

2 minutes ago, ChristineC said:

I’d believe Hamas over The IDF any day of the week.

 

 

Actually, I was responding to @Chomper Higgot's question.

 

But since you have just nailed your keffiyeh to the mast, so to speak, I'm done with you.

5 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Seems to me you have one position when it comes to Israel and another  for Muslim countries. There is no genocide in  Gaza. If there were, the numbers of  dead non combants would exceed that which we see in Yemen 300,000+, Darfur 300,000+, Syria 700,000+. The total number of dead spat out by Hamas includes combatant armed militants, logistics and supply personnel and other members of the Gazan campaign against Israel. Yes, there are civilian casualties. That is a byproduct of war. However, there is no Israeli organized campaign of execution of the  occupants of Gaza. Your excuse for ignoring the actual genocide in muslim countries is invalid.  The real reason you are so emotional is that you hate Israel. That's ok. Many people do. Why not just be honest and say that?  

 

Why are you silent on the  ceasefire agreement that has been with the Hama rulers since March? It gave Hamas much of what it  demanded. You blame the ongoing war on Israel, but there is a reason why the Arabs have lost patience with Gaza, and that is because Hamas and others want the war to continue. They have nothing left to lose now and will hold on until they are killed off. Egypt could easily open its border. Why are the arab countries refusing to take in wounded casualties? Aside from the small numbers used for PR purposes, the wealthy arab countries find reasons to decline to take wounded.

 

How has Israel undermined your freedom of speech? You are plastering this forum with your propaganda unimpeded.

Far-right members of the Israeli government, including Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich threatened to quit if Israel moved to the second phase of the ceasefire deal.

If that had happened, it would most likely have brought about early elections, and Netanyahu, who is currently on trial over graft allegations, could have been  pushed out of power.

The ceasefire deal failed because of Netanyahu's determination to save his own skin.

 

3 minutes ago, bannork said:

Far-right members of the Israeli government, including Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich threatened to quit if Israel moved to the second phase of the ceasefire deal.

If that had happened, it would most likely have brought about early elections, and Netanyahu, who is currently on trial over graft allegations, could have been  pushed out of power.

The ceasefire deal failed because of Netanyahu's determination to save his own skin.

 

So why will the Palestinians not release the hostages? 

11 hours ago, NanLaew said:

 

"Buddy" to "racist" in 60 seconds.

 

Go cite yourself.

 

What is the point of your post?

 

I referred to you as buddy, because this term can be used in close friendships but also indicate a shared experience like being comembers in a forum and is generally seen als positive, friendly and not hostile

You answered rather rudely "I am not your buddy".

And I never called you a racist; only pointed out your obviously racist opinion towards Thai people; one racist opinion does not make a person racist.

Keep up with the good news! If the Israelis didn't do it then Hamas would!

9 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Seems to me you have one position when it comes to Israel and another  for Muslim countries.  

 

That is so hilarious, don`t you realize, that it is YOU who has a different position depending on the religion and ethnicity of the perpetrators.

 

When it comes to Darfur, Yemen or Syria we would all side with the weakest, the innocents, the children and everybody forcefully relocated by an evil and powerful opponent but when it comes to Israel all the usually applied rules to differentiate between good and bad, victim and perpetrator seem somehow be upside down, victimizing the landthief and aggressor.

 

 

9 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

 Your excuse for ignoring the actual genocide in muslim countries is invalid. 

 

How do you know, I ignore them? This is the War in Israel thread. They do not belong here.

 

 

9 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

The real reason you are so emotional is that you hate Israel. That's ok. Many people do. Why not just be honest and say that?  

 

Typical labeling. How do you know, I hate Israel?  You just want to label me and put me into the Nazi corner.

 

I hate it`s actual government and I will not stop opposing them as, to quote:  Einstein: "If I were to remain silent, I'd be guilty of complicity." 

 

 

9 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

How has Israel undermined your freedom of speech? You are plastering this forum with your propaganda unimpeded.

 

Participate peacefully in any demo for Palestine, you will be arrested. Demonstrate for Israel and you will be protected by German police.

 

Wear an kufiyah, and you will be arrested.

 

Show sympathy for the kids in Gaza and you might lose your job.

 

On November 7, 2024, the Bundestag adopted the cross-party motion of the SPD, CDU/CSU, Bündnis 90/Die Grünen and the FDP "Never again is now: protecting, preserving and strengthening Jewish life in Germany"

 

No propaganda but the sad and scaring truth.

 

Plus the whole upside down moral. How do you make amends to people whose ancestors you have murdered by the Millions? By helping them to do something similar to another people??

 

I hate the actual Israeli government as much as the actual German government for once again choosing the wrong side of history. 

 

Now go and label me.

 

What is it going to be?

 

Semi - anti - Nazi? or Anti - semi - Nazi?

1 hour ago, Somjot said:

 

What is the point of your post?

 

I referred to you as buddy, because this term can be used in close friendships but also indicate a shared experience like being comembers in a forum and is generally seen als positive, friendly and not hostile

You answered rather rudely "I am not your buddy".

And I never called you a racist; only pointed out your obviously racist opinion towards Thai people; one racist opinion does not make a person racist.

 

Presumptuous nonsense.

 

You're obviously gone.

2 hours ago, Somjot said:

 

That is so hilarious, don`t you realize, that it is YOU who has a different position depending on the religion and ethnicity of the perpetrators.

 

When it comes to Darfur, Yemen or Syria we would all side with the weakest, the innocents, the children and everybody forcefully relocated by an evil and powerful opponent but when it comes to Israel all the usually applied rules to differentiate between good and bad, victim and perpetrator seem somehow be upside down, victimizing the landthief and aggressor.

 

 

 

How do you know, I ignore them? This is the War in Israel thread. They do not belong here.

 

 

 

Typical labeling. How do you know, I hate Israel?  You just want to label me and put me into the Nazi corner.

 

I hate it`s actual government and I will not stop opposing them as, to quote:  Einstein: "If I were to remain silent, I'd be guilty of complicity." 

 

 

 

Participate peacefully in any demo for Palestine, you will be arrested. Demonstrate for Israel and you will be protected by German police.

 

Wear an kufiyah, and you will be arrested.

 

Show sympathy for the kids in Gaza and you might lose your job.

 

On November 7, 2024, the Bundestag adopted the cross-party motion of the SPD, CDU/CSU, Bündnis 90/Die Grünen and the FDP "Never again is now: protecting, preserving and strengthening Jewish life in Germany"

 

No propaganda but the sad and scaring truth.

 

Plus the whole upside down moral. How do you make amends to people whose ancestors you have murdered by the Millions? By helping them to do something similar to another people??

 

I hate the actual Israeli government as much as the actual German government for once again choosing the wrong side of history. 

 

Now go and label me.

 

What is it going to be?

 

Semi - anti - Nazi? or Anti - semi - Nazi?

 

Looks like you are an angry by product of the failed East German state. Are you enjoying the millions of Syrian and Afghanis who will not integrate into German society? Their presence in Germany has nothing to do with Israel. 

 

Yes the lower house passed a toothless resolution intended to address the large volume of hate speech and violence coming from the muslim refugee, asylum seekers and economic migrant community. In addition to their primitive culture, they have brought their ingrained sectarian hate and are implicated in multiple violent activities in their host nation. The violent attacks and hateful rallies only gained prominence when these people arrived in Germany.

 

I was recently in Frankfurt. There was a large rally populated  by mostly muslim and a small number of Germans who looked like they don't wash regularly. I saw many of the crowd in their hijabs and keffiyahs. They were protesting something, and based upon the  banners and placards seemed to relate to Israel. The Germans walking by didn't seem to be too supportive. The police were rather nice about it too. I find that the German police are quite friendly. I have only been questioned once by German police and that was on my arrival in Berlin from Bangkok 20 years ago. They asked if I was carrying drugs.  I laughed. They smiled and walked away. Probably, looking for my reaction. They had moustaches. Why is it so many cops have moustaches? 

 

What was your previous identity on AN? 

6 hours ago, bannork said:

Far-right members of the Israeli government, including Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich threatened to quit if Israel moved to the second phase of the ceasefire deal.

If that had happened, it would most likely have brought about early elections, and Netanyahu, who is currently on trial over graft allegations, could have been  pushed out of power.

The ceasefire deal failed because of Netanyahu's determination to save his own skin.

 

 

Multiple parties of Israel's left including the centrist opposition party agreed to support the government on  a ceasefire deal.One opposition party has 24  seats. Smotrich's cult party holds 7 seats. The real reason for his group's actions is that they want the government to ignore the Israeli supreme court's ruling that the religious zealots must do military or community service. Smotrich is of the view that bible study is more important and that his followers should not have to serve like every other Israeli.
It does not matter what Smotrich does now, because parliament is in recess for at least 3 months, maybe 5 if netanyahu delays a recall. By that time, Netanyahu will find another 4 leaf clover to delay the inevitable.
 

 

On 7/19/2025 at 12:23 PM, Chomper Higgot said:

Palestinians have a home it’s called Palestine.


 

 

No Palestine never existed   ,, It the name that the British put on the land at end of WW1  when they and the Bedouin chucked the Turks out after 400 years of occupation ,, The land was virtually barren and  those arid barren areas were bought by the Zionists and Jewish settlers in the 1890s from the Turks and local Arabs who thought it was all worthless , The name palestine comes from the roman  version of the word Philistine  , the Philistines  invaded the land 3000 years ago during the Bronze age collapse  , they were of Greek  origin ... but the israelites were already there    fighting the Philistine invaders ... The Philistines were moved on  out when the Babylonians absorbed israel  into their empire , They were actually part of the phonecians  and moved to Cilicia and Carthage ... 

 

And remember No Arab country wants the palestinians either   look at the massive barrier Egypt has built to keep them out .. More money has been invested in Gaza since 1967   by UN , aid , and donors that could have built another Dubai or Singapore   but its all been stolen or wasted ......

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