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Israel leveling Gaza

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1 hour ago, johng said:

might want to look up the latest "official" figures.

maybe 1.6 million ??

 

 

Haven`t found any official figure confirming your number. All still claim 6 Million.

 

Even if it was  - using the word "only" would be an abomination - 1,6 Million, it would not make it any better.

 

When analyzing the Holocaust unflinching examination and unsparing honesty was the only way to come to terms with our past but also understanding how that could ever happen in order to avoid anything like that for all times.

 

NEVER AGAIN!

 

I always thought, that counts for every people, race or religion. Obviously I was wrong.

 

For our politicians it seems to be "Never again to the Jews .... but when it comes to other people ... like Palestinians ... well ... let`s not make hasty promises,."

 

Bastards!

 

Should all be prosecuted in the Hague.

 

I hope future Israelis will apply the same level of uncompromising honesty when it comes to analyze their mass murder in Gaza, but one thing is clear already: Germany will be exposed as a part of it.

 

Damned Nazis are not back - they just never left.

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15 hours ago, TedG said:

I love Humblebragging. 

Great, then maybe you can explain something, which I struggle to understand.

 

How does one brag anonymously?

 

Like on a forum with a made up name.

 

Doesn`t being anonymous somehow defy the whole purpose of bragging?

24 minutes ago, Somjot said:

Haven`t found any official figure confirming your number. All still claim 6 Million.

https://www.history.com/articles/auschwitz-concentration-camp-numbers

 

The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum estimates that 1.3 million people were sent to the camp complex in occupied Poland. Of this total, nearly 1.1 million were Jews, 960,000 of which died in the camp. The other approximately 200,000 people were predominantly made up of non-Jewish Poles, the mentally challenged, Roma people, homosexuals and Soviet prisoners of war.

32 minutes ago, Somjot said:

For our politicians it seems to be "Never again to the Jews .... but when it comes to other people ... like Palestinians ... well ... let`s not make hasty promises,."

 

Bastards!

 

Should all be prosecuted in the Hague.

Agree 100 %

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6 hours ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

All of it is a fable.

 

They are a group of people within what is now Jordan - many still there too.

 

They never had a 'homeland' - that is like saying Mormons in Utah have a homeland. They are a group and in large numbers - but they are in USA.

   

Calling the internationally accepted history of that area a fable or playing with words about a homeland does not make your version more truthful.

 

It is a fact that the area which is today Israel, Gaza and the West Bank was populated by people, mostly Muslims plus a few Christians and very few Jews (3%) for more than 1000 years until about 100 years ago. Living side by side peacefully most of the time.

Then the UK got the mandate over Palestine and promised Jewish people a homeland – not a state - In an area, which did not belong to them.

Then hundred thousands of Jews began migrating into that area, buying some 6% of it and attacking Arabs with their terrorist organizations like Irgun and Lehi and  Hagana; you might remember the King David Holtel bombing.

After the UN partition plan was decided Jews took much more land then was assigned to them, declared the state of Israel and since then did everything for the Arabs not getting their state.

 

 

6 hours ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

People in Gaza killed by the war is on Hamas not the IDF.

 

Wars do not kill people. People kill people. People in Gaza are killed by Israel and the IDF.

 

Blaming Hamas for it is same as saying in case of an accident in Thailand where a holiday making foreigner is involved, it is always the fault of the foreigner because if he wouldn't have spent his holiday in Thailand that accident would have never happened.

 

Hamas was created by Israel in order to oppose the PLO hoping the Arabs would kill each other. Actually, it was Mr. Netanyahu who admitted that he facilitated the funding of Hamas in the first years.

 

 

6 hours ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

When their children are very young they are taught to hate the Jews and that they are their enemy - the majority of the society in Gaza has been corrupted and turned evil for almost 20 years.  Israel should have been more forceful and strong in the past - they are now making up for it.

 

And Jewish kids aren`t?

 

 

6 hours ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

You believe what the woke lefty MSM says about Palestinians - there is no facts or logic or reason that will change your mind - I am debating with a fool.

 

Nope, I believe only facts from hopefully reliable resources.

 

I do not believe that any people have a right to return to some place, which their ancestors (?) had left 2000 years ago but somehow their dubious Sky Daddy has promised to them in some ancient book.

 

6 hours ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

PS - You think it ends in Gaza? Israel and USA are going to send the main supporters of Hamas (and the others) back to the stone ages where they belong. They tore apart Iraq and they are going to do the same to Iran. USA and Israel have accepted that you cannot negotiate with them - you take them down and try to keep them down. Theyu dont care about their own People - only the western media and EU/UN do - and the fools who believe all their 'we are oppressed' BS PR. 

 

You are admitting that the US has torn apart Iraq and will do it to Iran but you still call them Terrorists??

 

What is your definition of terrorist?

 

"Some people, whose land I stole and who dare to resist?"

14 minutes ago, Somjot said:

Calling the internationally accepted history of that area a fable or playing with words about a homeland does not make your version more truthful.

 

It is a fact that the area which is today Israel, Gaza and the West Bank was populated by people, mostly Muslims plus a few Christians and very few Jews (3%) for more than 1000 years until about 100 years ago. Living side by side peacefully most of the time.

Then the UK got the mandate over Palestine and promised Jewish people a homeland – not a state - In an area, which did not belong to them.

Then hundred thousands of Jews began migrating into that area, buying some 6% of it and attacking Arabs with their terrorist organizations like Irgun and Lehi and  Hagana; you might remember the King David Holtel bombing.

After the UN partition plan was decided Jews took much more land then was assigned to them, declared the state of Israel and since then did everything for the Arabs not getting their state.

 

 

 

Wars do not kill people. People kill people. People in Gaza are killed by Israel and the IDF.

 

Blaming Hamas for it is same as saying in case of an accident in Thailand where a holiday making foreigner is involved, it is always the fault of the foreigner because if he wouldn't have spent his holiday in Thailand that accident would have never happened.

 

Hamas was created by Israel in order to oppose the PLO hoping the Arabs would kill each other. Actually, it was Mr. Netanyahu who admitted that he facilitated the funding of Hamas in the first years.

 

 

 

And Jewish kids aren`t?

 

 

 

Nope, I believe only facts from hopefully reliable resources.

 

I do not believe that any people have a right to return to some place, which their ancestors (?) had left 2000 years ago but somehow their dubious Sky Daddy has promised to them in some ancient book.

 

 

You are admitting that the US has torn apart Iraq and will do it to Iran but you still call them Terrorists??

 

What is your definition of terrorist?

 

"Some people, whose land I stole and who dare to resist?"

So much delusions - there is not enough time in my life to correct them - so I wont bother trying. But I offer this saviour to you - watch and listen closely. This man was born in Gaza and is speaking the truth in front of the woke delusional fools at Oxford Uni - and they hated him for speaking his truth - because it goes against their BS narrative - the same one you are espousing.  Watch and listen - maybe you will then understand what is really going on in Gaza - it aint what you think.  Remember what I said - Israel are not angels in this - but you think Israel is all evil - and that is not the case at all - that is Hamas propaganda. 

 

 

 

 

THIS is the savior you offer me?

 

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This failed terrorist with daddy issues? You can`t be serious.

 

A look at his face should tell you that he has lost his marbles long ago.

 

Here my offer from the same debate in Oxford.

 

 

here a part of it, all 100% true

 

I  came to speak directly to Zionists here and everywhere we let you into our homes when your own countries tried to murder you and everyone else turned you away we fed you and we clothed you we gave you shelter and we shared from the bounty of our land with you and when the time was ripe you kicked us out of our homes and homeland then you killed and robbed and burned and looted our lives

 

if the roles were reversed if Palestinians had spent the last eight decades stealing Jewish homes expelling oppressing imprisoning poisoning torturing killing raping them if Palestinians bombed every Israeli hospital university library museum cultural center synagogue and simultaneously set up an observation platform where citizens came to watch their slaughter as if a tourist attraction if Palestinians made their children wander barefoot with empty pots made them gather the flesh of their parents into plastic bags bury their siblings their cousins their friends  if we mercilessly forced their niku babies to die alone in hospital beds crying until they could cry no more died and decomposed in the same spot if Palestinians used wheat flour a truck to lure starving Jews then opened fire on them as they gathered to collect the day's bread if a Palestinian sniper bragged about blowing out 42 Jewish kneecaps in one day as one Israeli soldier did in 2019 if a Palestinian admitted to CNN that he ran over hundreds of Jews with his tank their squished flesh lingering in the tank treads if Jewish women were forced to give birth in filth get C-sections or leg amputations without anesthesia if we destroyed their children then decorated our tanks with their toys the world were watching the livereamed systematic annihilation of Jews in real time there would be no debating whether that constituted terrorism or genocide

 

But let`s not argue about which historian or narrative tells the truth.

 

Let`s nature have the last word about who is really indigenous to the land of Palestine

 

A study titled “Hypersensivity to pollen of Olea europaea in Israel“ was conducted by researchers affiliated with Kupat Holim, Zamenhoff Allergy Clinic in Tel Aviv, Israel. It concluded that 66% of Jewish Israelis are hypersensitive (allergic) to the pollen of native olive trees, compared to only 16% of Arabs in Israel.

 

Just google it. That study is from Israel.

 

Hypersensitivity to pollen of Olea europaea in Israel

 

Or as scientists love to say:

 

q.e.d.

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11 hours ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

People in Gaza killed by the war is on Hamas not the IDF.

 

I am debating with a fool.

 

Let's be serious. I am sure each one of us can provide more or less reliable, sources to prove his narrative.

 

But just let's take a look at your sense of justice.

 

Because according to you, if I get into a heated argument with my neighbor maybe because he was visiting somebody and in his absence I stole a piece of his land and built my private sauna on it. Now he has the audacity to be upset about it, comes to my house and slaps me in the face or even breaks my nose and then runs back to his place and I follow him, kill him, maime his wife, rape his daughter and shoot his 8 year old son in the head, then according to your moral compass that is all on him, right?

Because I have the right to defend myself.

And you call me a fool.

8 hours ago, johng said:

might want to look up the latest "official" figures.

maybe 1.6 million ??

 

 

What "official" figures are you referring to?  Are you implying the total number of Jews killed in the Holocaust has been revised down to 1.6 million by some "official" source?  Or are you citing figures from a Holocaust denier?

Perhaps this has been posted already, I don't follow the board that much.

 

Sheer psychotic joy and elation while leveling Gaza in what could be war crimes being systematically carried out by hundreds of individual IDF soldiers. 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Packer said:

Sheer psychotic joy and elation while leveling Gaza in what could be war crimes being systematically carried out by hundreds of individual IDF soldiers. 

 

Those look like rather minor incidents compared with the "sheer psychotic joy and elation" show by Gazans on Oct 7.

 

This is Hamas footage showing the dead body of 22-year-old Shani Louk, who had been murdered at the Nova Festival.  Notice the young guy who spits on her body.

 

 

 

The other videos need no further comment, other than to warn some of it is extremely graphic, especially the first one below.  Watch that one and then write about "sheer psychotic joy and elation."

 

16 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

This is

 

a topic about Israel leveling Gaza (which appears to include many war crimes being committed by IDF personnel, and may indeed be a war crime in itself.) Please stay on topic and stop trolling and polluting the thread. 🙂 

12 minutes ago, Packer said:

 

a topic about Israel leveling Gaza (which appears to include many war crimes being committed by IDF personnel, and may indeed be a war crime in itself.) Please stay on topic and stop trolling and polluting the thread. 🙂 

 

Those videos are square on topic in understanding why IDF members might want to level Gaza.  I did,  and I'm not Israeli or Jewish.  And you'll never see a clearer example of war crimes than those Hamas committed in those videos.

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11 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

Those videos are square on topic in understanding why IDF members might want to level Gaza.  I did,  and I'm not Israeli or Jewish.  And you'll never see a clearer example of war crimes than those Hamas committed in those videos.


Those videos are not on topic and I did report them.

 

No atrocities give anybody the right to commit more atrocities.

9 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

why IDF members might want to level Gaza.

 

Seemingly committing war crimes elatedly en masse, while doing so. While the entire Israeli operation could also be a war crime on an industrial scale. 

2 minutes ago, Packer said:

 

Seemingly committing war crimes elatedly en masse, while doing so. While the entire Israeli operation could also be a war crime on an industrial scale. 

 

   You do like to say the words "war crime" 

20 hours ago, Somjot said:

 

When analyzing the Holocaust unflinching examination and unsparing honesty was the only way to come to terms with our past but also understanding how that could ever happen in order to avoid anything like that for all times.

 

NEVER AGAIN!

 

I always thought, that counts for every people, race or religion. Obviously I was wrong.

 

   You misunderstood .

You have taken that slogan from the Jews .

It is the Jews who vowed not to let a Holocaust happen again to them .

They will Never Again be slaughtered .

   Get your own slogans and STOP stealing things from Jews 

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   You do like to say the words "war crime" 

 

I'm known for staying on topic. 🙂 

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2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   You do like to say the words "war crime" 


Do you prefer “war crimes” or “genocide”?

 

In my mind the former is a certainty and there are sufficient grounds to consider the latter.

 

Genocide is a question of intent. "It means killing, maiming or imposing intolerable conditions on a national or ethnic group with intent to destroy them in whole or in part. "

 

Statements by Netanyahu and his ministers suggest that the object of current operations is to force the Arab population of Gaza to leave by killing and starving them if they stay. These things make genocide the most plausible explanation for what is now happening.

 

South Africa based much of its genocide case against Israel on inflammatory language used by Israeli leaders. 

 

What is currently being carried out by the IDF appears to be the execution of that earlier rhetoric.

 

22 hours ago, Somjot said:

When analyzing the Holocaust unflinching examination and unsparing honesty was the only way to come to terms with our past but also understanding how that could ever happen in order to avoid anything like that for all times.

 

NEVER AGAIN!

 

I always thought, that counts for every people, race or religion. Obviously I was wrong.

 

Several explanations exist for the origin of "Never again!" and "Never again is now."  From the beginning, these slogans applied specifically to Jews and the need to resist any attempt at extermination, but they have since the 1960's been used about conflicts and even social causes.  The appropriateness of its application to Palestinians depends on whether you believe they have or are undergoing genocide.

 

"Following their liberation by American troops, survivors in Buchenwald displayed signs stating ‘never again’ in the various languages they spoke. On 19 April 1945, they gathered to commemorate the dead at Buchenwald’s Appellplatz and made the following pledge:

'We will not stop fighting until the last perpetrator is brought before the judges of the people! Our watchword is the destruction of Nazism from its roots. Building a new world of peace and freedom is our goal. This is our responsibility to our murdered comrades and their relatives.'"   https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17504902.2019.1578452#d1e134

 

The Web site of the Buchenwald Memorial gives a different wording for the oath, possible depending on translation.   https://www.buchenwald.de/en/geschichte/themen/dossiers/schwur-von-buchenwald

 

The slogan "Never again is now" may have also been influenced by a pre-WWII Zionist slogan, "Never again shall Masada fall."  That slogan  was in turn based on an epic poem in Hebrew by a Zionist poet.  The poem recounted and embellished a little-known story about Jewish rebels who committed suicide en masse at the fortress of Masada rather than be captured by  Roman troops.   One researcher even claimed the Masada poem helped influence the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising.   

 https://books.google.com/books?id=Np2YEAAAQBAJ (pp 44-45).

 

22 hours ago, Somjot said:

Calling the internationally accepted history of that area a fable or playing with words about a homeland does not make your version more truthful.

 

It is a fact that the area which is today Israel, Gaza and the West Bank was populated by people, mostly Muslims plus a few Christians and very few Jews (3%) for more than 1000 years until about 100 years ago. Living side by side peacefully most of the time.

Then the UK got the mandate over Palestine and promised Jewish people a homeland – not a state - In an area, which did not belong to them.

Then hundred thousands of Jews began migrating into that area, buying some 6% of it and attacking Arabs with their terrorist organizations like Irgun and Lehi and  Hagana; you might remember the King David Holtel bombing.

After the UN partition plan was decided Jews took much more land then was assigned to them, declared the state of Israel and since then did everything for the Arabs not getting their state.

 

 

 

Wars do not kill people. People kill people. People in Gaza are killed by Israel and the IDF.

 

Blaming Hamas for it is same as saying in case of an accident in Thailand where a holiday making foreigner is involved, it is always the fault of the foreigner because if he wouldn't have spent his holiday in Thailand that accident would have never happened.

 

Hamas was created by Israel in order to oppose the PLO hoping the Arabs would kill each other. Actually, it was Mr. Netanyahu who admitted that he facilitated the funding of Hamas in the first years.

 

 

 

And Jewish kids aren`t?

 

 

 

Nope, I believe only facts from hopefully reliable resources.

 

I do not believe that any people have a right to return to some place, which their ancestors (?) had left 2000 years ago but somehow their dubious Sky Daddy has promised to them in some ancient book.

 

 

You are admitting that the US has torn apart Iraq and will do it to Iran but you still call them Terrorists??

 

What is your definition of terrorist?

 

"Some people, whose land I stole and who dare to resist?"

Horrible.

This is shocking but sadly people alike Smotrich, Ben-Gvir and Netanyahu are the face of Israeli society. 
These kids were on Israeli State TV 

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/video/newsfeed/2023/11/21/israeli-state-tv-video-shows-children-singing-about-gaza

 

2 hours ago, Packer said:

 

Seemingly committing war crimes elatedly en masse, while doing so. While the entire Israeli operation could also be a war crime on an industrial scale. 

Israel society know and agree with what’s going on.

 

 

4 hours ago, Packer said:

Perhaps this has been posted already, I don't follow the board that much.

 

Sheer psychotic joy and elation while leveling Gaza in what could be war crimes being systematically carried out by hundreds of individual IDF soldiers. 

 

 

The soldiers represent the Israel society.

 

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6 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   You misunderstood .

You have taken that slogan from the Jews .

It is the Jews who vowed not to let a Holocaust happen again to them .

They will Never Again be slaughtered .

   Get your own slogans and STOP stealing things from Jews 

 

I apologize, I had neither the idea that I was stealing something from Jews nor the intention to do so.

 

Yet your accusation  brings me to a fantastic idea the world could tremendously benefit from.

 

We Germans stop stealing the slogan "Never again" from the Jews because you invented that and the Jews, I mean the Israelis, stop the the mass slaughtering of men, women and children, because this is something we might not have invented but are most famous for.

 

Or at least stop stealing other people`s land justifying it with a promise some sky daddy gave you thousands of years ago.

That is a Nazi concept called "Lebensraum" except they had no sky daddy promise.

 

By the way, what kind of almighty being is that, you pray to, promising you something which belongs to others and making you kill women and children for it?

 

6 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

"Following their liberation by American troops, survivors in Buchenwald displayed signs stating ‘never again’ in the various languages they spoke. On 19 April 1945, they gathered to commemorate the dead at Buchenwald’s Appellplatz and made the following pledge:

'We will not stop fighting until the last perpetrator is brought before the judges of the people! Our watchword is the destruction of Nazism from its roots. Building a new world of peace and freedom is our goal. This is our responsibility to our murdered comrades and their relatives.'"   https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17504902.2019.1578452#d1e134

 

Brave words and a noble goal. One can only applaud.

 

Little did they know, that only 3 years later they would establish a home country causing the opposite of peace and freedom for decades to come.

 

From 1941 to 1945 Nazis killed about 38.000 Jews (not including other nationalities like Russians, etc.) by execution or starvation in Buchenwald, until the day when help arrived from the US.

 

80 years later their descendants killed twice as many Palestinians in half the time in Gaza with US help arriving every day.

 

What an irony of history.

2 hours ago, Somjot said:

 

I apologize, I had neither the idea that I was stealing something from Jews nor the intention to do so.

 

Yet your accusation  brings me to a fantastic idea the world could tremendously benefit from.

 

We Germans stop stealing the slogan "Never again" from the Jews because you invented that and the Jews, I mean the Israelis, stop the the mass slaughtering of men, women and children, because this is something we might not have invented but are most famous for.

 

Or at least stop stealing other people`s land justifying it with a promise some sky daddy gave you thousands of years ago.

That is a Nazi concept called "Lebensraum" except they had no sky daddy promise.

 

By the way, what kind of almighty being is that, you pray to, promising you something which belongs to others and making you kill women and children for it?

 

 

   I haven't stolen anyone's land .

You need to address your post and points to Israel

I cannot speak on Israel's behalf

26 minutes ago, Somjot said:

 

Brave words and a noble goal. One can only applaud.

 

Little did they know, that only 3 years later they would establish a home country causing the opposite of peace and freedom for decades to come.

 

From 1941 to 1945 Nazis killed about 38.000 Jews (not including other nationalities like Russians, etc.) by execution or starvation in Buchenwald, until the day when help arrived from the US.

 

80 years later their descendants killed twice as many Palestinians in half the time in Gaza with US help arriving every day.

 

What an irony of history.

 

   Yes, Jews will not let another Holocaust happen .

Hamas need to go the same way as Nazis 

Wiped out into oblivion 

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7 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I haven't stolen anyone's land .

You need to address your post and points to Israel

I cannot speak on Israel's behalf

 

Yet you appear to do so all the time with your defense of their indefensible actions.

 

7 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Yes, Jews will not let another Holocaust happen .

Hamas need to go the same way as Nazis 

Wiped out into oblivion 

 

Sounds like a holocaust to me when the population appear to be going the same way.

On 7/25/2025 at 12:51 AM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I haven't stolen anyone's land .

You need to address your post and points to Israel

I cannot speak on Israel's behalf

 

I am not a native speaker, so maybe I am wrong but I thought that "you" can be used as a second person pronoun (referring to the person being addressed), but also as a general pronoun referring to any unspecified person same as "one".

 

I did not accuse you of stealing land. However when you ask me to address that to Israel, you basically admit, that you too see Israel`s actions as land theft. 

So why do you keep supporting them?

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