While Trump fails, Carney outsmarts him once again

[Yagoda]

7 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Canada is a huge source of oil for the US, in the middle of summer when Texas cranks the AC and California battles wildfires, it's Canadian Hydro dams keeping US cities from going dark, your city is wired into Ottawa's Mercy. Here's the part nobody wants to talk about, Canada has proved it can shut it all down oil, electricity, and trade anytime, and not with bombs, not with armies, with just a single political decision. The most important part is that most Americans will have no idea about this until the lights go out.

From the OP above. 

 

It is the middle of summer already. None of that has come to pass.

 

Better copy things a bit more timely

[CallumWK]

16 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Someone wanna help bro out here?

 

I don't need help from you.

 

India cancelled

Spain cancelled

Portugal cancelled

Switzerland has been advised to cancel

Canada has financially committed to 16 of the 88 planes they ordered, and are still reviewing the order.

Hw many F35 has Cambodia?

[metisdead]

A troll post and a reply has been removed.

[Tug]

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

Oh look at the big "yo mama" hater LOL. Im in your head, America hater LOL

Huh?as far as in my head no just another fringe dweller.Im still waiting for an explanation of how I hate America by defending democracy……anyway it’s fun watching you get spanked on this forum.

[Yagoda]

6 minutes ago, Tug said:

Huh?as far as in my head no just another fringe dweller.Im still waiting for an explanation of how I hate America by defending democracy……anyway it’s fun watching you get spanked on this forum.

You mean you support Trump over Canada? 

 

Defending democracy LOL. Just an America hater

[Tug]

1 minute ago, Yagoda said:

You mean you support Trump over Canada? 

 

Defending democracy LOL. Just an America hater

Absolutely support Canada over TRUMP ….heres a clue Canada used to be our STAUNCHEST ALLIES before trump…..the EUROPEANS used to be our STAUNCHEST ALLIANCE before trump now your trump staunchest friends are putin and little Kim ….naa I support democracy not trump I support America our constitution and democracy worldwide not trump .

[spidermike007]

Trump’s April 2 announcement of “reciprocal” tariffs on the United States’ main trading partners, followed by further increases on Chinese goods, briefly drove the average rate to 24.8 per cent in May, a figure last seen in 1904, according to the United States International Trade Commission.

 

The updated average exceeds the nearly 20 per cent rate the United States imposed in the 1930s – an era of protectionism that economists widely believe deepened and prolonged the Great Depression.

[ericthai]

 

6 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Well I certainly didn't mean to imply that they are simple, there's nothing simple about world trade. There are some car components that go back and forth between the US, Mexico and Canada several times before the car is finally assembled, that is part of the magic of globalization, and the reason why it's worked so well for so long. 

 

However unfortunately there are some dimwits who confuse deficits, with the need for a penalty. It's a bit like going to a shoe store and saying I'm running a $500 deficit with you this year, and I need to figure out a way to penalize you, because you're not buying anything from me. 

 

I'm glad you think globalization worked so well.  Maybe speak to some business owners. Ever try to import products from the US into Thailand? China? Vietnam?

Yup, free trade is really only one way. 

 

Then countries do trans-shipments to make it look like it was produced in another country so they can export to the USA with no tariffs. 

I think this is the issue, that most people not involved in imports and exports dont understand what really goes on. 

 

My friend had a company selling personalized coffee cups. He had is shop in New York.  He had issues with sellers from China selling for less with shipping included. His shipping cost from New York to Tampa was more than what a China supplier paid for shipping from China,  Why? because the US government gave China companies special shipping rates.  

 

The US politicians destroyed the US manufacturing industry via (unfair) free trade agreements for cheap goods. 

[Yagoda]

14 minutes ago, Tug said:

Absolutely support Canada over TRUMP ….heres a clue Canada used to be our STAUNCHEST ALLIES before trump…..the EUROPEANS used to be our STAUNCHEST ALLIANCE before trump now your trump staunchest friends are putin and little Kim ….naa I support democracy not trump I support America our constitution and democracy worldwide not trump .

You hate your country, we know.

[ericthai]

4 hours ago, JakeC said:

 Most countries are simply ignoring his overtures and finding ways to suit themselves.

Even the countries that pretend to go along with his nonsense are only doing it for expediency.

and this is exactly why the US is working on reworking tariffs because everyone was cheating.  Free trade was mainly only going one way, trans-shipments to avoid tariffs,  

restrictions on US companies ownership / operations, etc

[Free the 115]

7 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

Boring. 

I’ll bet it is, having to reach for the dictionary every time there’s a 3 syllable word for you to stumble over. 
your one word response just backs up the sentiment behind my original post, but hey, everyone loves a trier!
 

[kwonitoy]

8 hours ago, save the frogs said:

Trump checkmate coming soon, kids. 

 

 

 

 

 

[candide]

2 hours ago, ericthai said:

and this is exactly why the US is working on reworking tariffs because everyone was cheating.  Free trade was mainly only going one way, trans-shipments to avoid tariffs,  

restrictions on US companies ownership / operations, etc

Complete B.S. The US also had plenty of non-tariff barriers, restrictions on foreign ownership, the Buy American Act, weaponized laws to acquire foreign companies (ex. Alstom), etc... 

[kwonitoy]

7 hours ago, blaze master said:

 

If its no biggie to build refineries....then why hasn't it been done already.

 

Your opening sentence speaks volumes to any reasonable conversation. 

There's lots of refining capacity in Canada, especially in the west.

 

Refinery row in Edmonton

 

 

https://thfvnext.bing.com/th/id/OIP.04pI8JgFg8WnZNC74fiVLQHaE8?w=269&h=180&c=7&r=0&o=7&cb=thfvnext&pid=1.7&rm=3

 

 

https://thfvnext.bing.com/th/id/OIP.UKdfDJ_GNOew8WNYDz5juwHaE7?w=263&h=180&c=7&r=0&o=7&cb=thfvnext&pid=1.7&rm=3

 

https://thfvnext.bing.com/th/id/OIP.lh2wOe-HZyfPyXanlQbZ9AHaE8?w=268&h=180&c=7&r=0&o=7&cb=thfvnext&pid=1.7&rm=3

 

The district is dominated by two refineries:

• the Strathcona Refinery (Imperial Oil), can process 187,000 barrels (29,700 m³) of crude oil per day;^[6] and
• the Suncor Edmonton Refinery (Suncor Energy), which can process 135,000 barrels per day (21,500 m³/d)^[7]

 

^{A little education never hurts.}

[blaze master]

Just now, kwonitoy said:

There's lots of refining capacity in Canada, especially in the west.

 

Refinery row in Edmonton

 

 

https://thfvnext.bing.com/th/id/OIP.04pI8JgFg8WnZNC74fiVLQHaE8?w=269&h=180&c=7&r=0&o=7&cb=thfvnext&pid=1.7&rm=3

 

 

https://thfvnext.bing.com/th/id/OIP.lh2wOe-HZyfPyXanlQbZ9AHaE8?w=268&h=180&c=7&r=0&o=7&cb=thfvnext&pid=1.7&rm=3

 

The district is dominated by two refineries:

• the Strathcona Refinery (Imperial Oil), can process 187,000 barrels (29,700 m³) of crude oil per day;^[6] and
• the Suncor Edmonton Refinery (Suncor Energy), which can process 135,000 barrels per day (21,500 m³/d)^[7]

 

^{A little education never hurts.}

 

Lots of refineries?  You mean the 18 in canada or ? Now compare that to the USA and get back to me.

 

How about total refining capacity of Canada vs USA. You're right a little education never hurts. Canada refines a miniscule amount when compared to the USA. But you knew that you just wanted to trot out the lots that canada has.

 

Fun fact the USA has 132 up from 124 just a few years ago. Remind me oh ye highly educated how many canada has built in that same time frame. 

 

Another fun fact. The last one built in canada was in 2020. The first built since 1984.

 

Schools out.

[Yagoda]

20 minutes ago, blaze master said:

 

Lots of refineries?  You mean the 18 in canada or ? Now compare that to the USA and get back to me.

 

How about total refining capacity of Canada vs USA. You're right a little education never hurts. Canada refines a miniscule amount when compared to the USA. But you knew that you just wanted to trot out the lots that canada has.

 

Fun fact the USA has 132 up from 124 just a few years ago. Remind me oh ye highly educated how many canada has built in that same time frame. 

 

Another fun fact. The last one built in canada was in 2020. The first built since 1984.

 

Schools out.

Wow, burn!  Intellectual destruction. I havent seen a beating like that since Dave Shultz pounded Dale Rolfe in the 1980s

[spidermike007]

11 hours ago, Keep Right said:

LILLEY: Softwood lumber tariffs soar as Mark Carney's plan fails to deliver

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/softwood-lumber-tariffs-soar-as-carneys-plan-fails-to-deliver

 

"Since Carney won the election, tariffs on steel and aluminum have gone from 25% to 50%, copper has had a 50% tariff added to it, anything related to automotive deemed not compliant with CUSMA has a 50% tariff, general exports not covered by CUSMA have a 35% tariff and now so too does softwood lumber."

 

It looks to me and other patriot American voters that left wing Carney has been outsmarted by the master of the deal, President Trump. Trump just keeps on winning. 

Wrong. Carney has already found new and far more reliable buyers for the lumber, oil, gas, steel and rare earth materials. US loses again and Trump drives inflation up. Bad for Americans. 

[spidermike007]

3 hours ago, kwonitoy said:

 

 

 

Exactly. Not well liked now at all. 

 

 

[spidermike007]

9 hours ago, NoDisplayName said:

Canada and the United States share an unparalleled trade partnership that supports millions of jobs and lays a strong foundation for energy security. This relationship is exemplified by Canada's position as America's largest energy trading partner, supplying 60% of all U.S. crude oil imports, 25% of U.S. refineries’ feedstock, 99% of U.S. natural gas imports, and uranium used by nuclear reactors that help power 1 in 21 U.S. homes to name a few examples.

https://www.canadaaction.ca/canada-united-states-energy-trade-facts

 

And we'll send the tariff bill to Mexico!

 

Winning!

Old news. Canada is finding other reliable trade partners, and just saying no to the circus clown. And who suffers? The American consumer. Does Trump care? Not one iota. 

[Woke to Sounds]

11 hours ago, Keep Right said:

"Mark Carney told Canadians he was the man with the plan, the man with the experience to deliver, but so far, he’s failing."

 

Carns is (was?) about net zero - you will own nothing, eat bugs, buy nothing, wear ski pants indoors when the heat shuts off - it's in his book apparently.

 

I can't see how he can get behind any sort of economy building for Canada given that.

[Mike_Hunt]

11 hours ago, BLMFem said:

 

 

Exactly, which makes his quote from ChatGPT a lie. Poor guy, must have been desperate to resort to such lame tactics.

Yes, you are lame.     

[gargamon]

10 hours ago, BLMFem said:

 

 

[JAG]

15 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

Boring. 

Clever actually.

[gargamon]

4 hours ago, blaze master said:

 

Lots of refineries?  You mean the 18 in canada or ? Now compare that to the USA and get back to me.

 

How about total refining capacity of Canada vs USA. You're right a little education never hurts. Canada refines a miniscule amount when compared to the USA. But you knew that you just wanted to trot out the lots that canada has.

 

Fun fact the USA has 132 up from 124 just a few years ago. Remind me oh ye highly educated how many canada has built in that same time frame. 

 

Another fun fact. The last one built in canada was in 2020. The first built since 1984.

 

Schools out.

Canada has 18. The US has 132. 

Canada has 35m people. The US has 400m people.

Can you do the math?

[daveAustin]

14 hours ago, mikebike said:

I'm great. I'm Canadian 😉 Love seeing our one tenth of your size country standing up to the schoolyard bully. Our national sport is hockey. We love fighting (see why so many of the Geneva conventions on warfare were because of how Canucks fight... We maybe be polite, up until we aren't). Trump is too stupid to understand, as are you apparently 🤣

You haven’t stood up to anyone though. Canada is a great place but a bit of a meek little kitten on the world stage. A bit like Oz. After everything that donkey has done to embarrass you, at least have the stones to get in his face. Hockey is a girls game btw. 😋

[blaze master]

30 minutes ago, gargamon said:

Canada has 18. The US has 132. 

Canada has 35m people. The US has 400m people.

Can you do the math?

 

Math wasnt the point though. Read back to the posters comments for clarity.

[Tug]

1 hour ago, blaze master said:

 

Math wasnt the point though. Read back to the posters comments for clarity.

Wonder how their port terminal facilities are for shipping crude were it can be refined more readily without the Canadians having to invest in refineries they don’t need on account of their small population.this trump made extra expense hes saddled us ,will it push US refineries to drill more?perhaps but guess who gets to pay for that?why that’s simple even a lay person such as myself can see that one a mile away!for the trump supporters it’s you and I that will bear that burden trump saddled us with by picking a fight and attacking our best friends up north!some president…….beggers belief!

[Wingate]

If Trump survives another 3.5 years of KFC buckets, Big Macs and canckles, he will likely do enough damage that he'll ask Carney if the US can become the 11th Province.

 

Look at the fine print on Trump's supposed great tariff deals. Even the UK deal says it's a platform for discussion and the last line is that nothing in the platform is binding. Well, that's not entirely true...Trump did impose the rates, so everything American consumers buy from abroad will be rising 15-40%. US companies bit the bullet initially, assuming or hoping TACO would TACO. They can no longer hold off raising prices. Ford is unlikely to be willing to take another $800,000,000 quarterly hit due to Trump's tariffs. Heck, Proctor & Gamble said in their conference call they have to raise prices. Even among MAGAnistas, I don't think soap and shampoo and toothpaste are "discretionary items", though I may be wrong. Noting the number of teeth on display at the typical Trump rally, I'm not sure toothpaste is an essential.

 

Let's see what prices have fallen since Trump took over again....hmmm....oh yea, existing home prices are falling. Trump NFT prices are falling. Not much else is down, but some things are skyrocketing, like Trump's disapproval rating.

[sharot724]

2 minutes ago, Wingate said:

If Trump survives another 3.5 years of KFC buckets, Big Macs and canckles, he will likely do enough damage that he'll ask Carney if the US can become the 11th Province.

 

Look at the fine print on Trump's supposed great tariff deals. Even the UK deal says it's a platform for discussion and the last line is that nothing in the platform is binding. Well, that's not entirely true...Trump did impose the rates, so everything American consumers buy from abroad will be rising 15-40%. US companies bit the bullet initially, assuming or hoping TACO would TACO. They can no longer hold off raising prices. Ford is unlikely to be willing to take another $800,000,000 quarterly hit due to Trump's tariffs. Heck, Proctor & Gamble said in their conference call they have to raise prices. Even among MAGAnistas, I don't think soap and shampoo and toothpaste are "discretionary items", though I may be wrong. Noting the number of teeth on display at the typical Trump rally, I'm not sure toothpaste is an essential.

 

Let's see what prices have fallen since Trump took over again....hmmm....oh yea, existing home prices are falling. Trump NFT prices are falling. Not much else is down, but some things are skyrocketing, like Trump's disapproval rating.

 

[jvs]

14 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Naw fat guys just pay extra.

 

Notice the lefty Democrat body shaming. Bet ya call folks fag too.

So you must pay double? A fat tariff! i use words  you can understand.

Body shaming? 

Now you are using Woke words! Don't let anyone body shame you,you keep waddling at your own pace.

Nice weather over there in the US?

Have a great day!