Trump consorting with a war criminal

[3NUMBAS]

He’s supposed to arrest Putin In Alaska but likely won’t ,he’s a slippery character like putin

[blaze master]

Oh boy. 

[Harrisfan]

4 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

He’s supposed to arrest Putin In Alaska but likely won’t ,he’s a slippery character like putin

Amazing content.

[simple1]

USA is not a signatory with ICC.

 

https://apnews.com/article/icc-putin-warrant-arrest-war-russia-ukraine-fc2f9375fa9a2d2e3861a50b2b174936

[Tug]

10 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

He’s supposed to arrest Putin In Alaska but likely won’t ,he’s a slippery character like putin

He won’t he admires him to much. personally I think trump is attempting to change our American government into something very similar to what putin has created in Russia.

[swissie]

1 hour ago, Tug said:

He won’t he admires him to much. personally I think trump is attempting to change our American government into something very similar to what putin has created in Russia.

This is already happening. Step by step, slice per slice.

[swissie]

Never mind all that. I Keep very close ties to all the bears in Alaska. I have instructed them to eat both of them as soon as they set foot on Alaskan soil.

 

[Lacessit]

Expecting a criminal to arrest another criminal is a bridge too far.

[Jingthing]

They vith both criminals but as the US is not part of the ICC there are no grounds for arrest of Putin.

[swissie]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

They vith both criminals but as the US is not part of the ICC there are no grounds for arrest of Putin.

I know. That's why I have instructed the Alaskan bears to eat them both at the first opportunity.

[Hummin]

1 hour ago, Tug said:

He won’t he admires him to much. personally I think trump is attempting to change our American government into something very similar to what putin has created in Russia.

He even sympathize with Putins reasoning about why they invaded Ukraine, so do not expect him to do Ukraine any favors 

[save the frogs]

13 hours ago, 3NUMBAS said:

He’s supposed to arrest Putin In Alaska but likely won’t ,he’s a slippery character like putin

 

and you never consorted with slippery characters? 

 

[Cameroni]

So Zelensky is coming after all?

[PAWNEESE]

25 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

They vith both criminals but as the US is not part of the ICC there are no grounds for arrest of Putin.

 

I wondered why they picked Alaska ..... I am surprised it was not to be Mara Lago in that case.

 

Not like Trumpy to miss out on lining his pockets.  

[MicroB]

Prosecutors will wait the long term. The evidence to date is that those with an arrest warrant are either turned over, or their lives are immeasurably and unpleasantly affected by the mere existence of such a warrant.

 

https://theconversation.com/putin-may-not-outrun-the-warrant-for-his-arrest-history-shows-that-several-leaders-on-the-run-eventually-face-charges-in-court-204890

 

Probably not so much Putin but all the minorish functionaries who start to sing when facing 50 years in a 3x3m room. Serbia was going to be all hardman with the arrest of Milosevic and his gang, but eventually complied once they realised that national interested trumped defence of those animals.

 

Russia can't isolate itself forever. Its not some backward, semi-agarian hermit kingdom like North Korea.

 

They all know what happened after Stalin. All superloyal until the old bastard croaked, then  there were the purges, brilliantly sent up by Armando Iannucci.

 

 

 

 

 

The thing about authoritarians is to stay in power, they've got to keep giving jobs to the boys. And one day they run out of those jobs.

 

Putin is probably extremely nervous of getting ill; not directly out of personal health reasons (though possibly ultimately so), but because the opportunity that could create for a palace coup.

[MicroB]

28 minutes ago, PAWNEESE said:

 

I wondered why they picked Alaska ..... I am surprised it was not to be Mara Lago in that case.

 

Not like Trumpy to miss out on lining his pockets.  

 

 

Looking to exchange land. The venue is likely not the American President's choice. Its the choice of some incompetant, because they sacked all the seasoned State Department strategists, who was aske to "thinking out of the box". We saw it in the Johnson government, the same sort of thinking, and too much listening to grifters from outside of government. The previous week they were proposing nudie beaches in Gaza.

 

They've latched onto this idea that:

 

1. Ukraine is not a real country. This is taken as fact. The high posting Crypto-Stalinists on this forum (those who present themselves as "Conservative Thinkers" but are in fact instinctual apologists for the Communist running Russia) have vociferously argued for this point, copy pasting/plagiarising Kremlin talking points and presenting it as their own. Some of these muppets actually believe it.

2. If Ukraine isn't a real country, then it doesn't have real borders. If it doesn't have real borders, then the borders can be anywhere. This is Balfour thinking. Some bright spark will remember from High School that these were discussions about the fate of so-called fake countries. They saw the movie.

3. The war is just about land, it can't be about sovereignty. because Ukraine is not a real country. So peace will ensue if they just swapsie land. Ukraine will get Kursk because Youtubers are telling them Kursk of full of lovely  Ukrainian speaking babuskas. Ukraine will give up whole Oblasts, occupied and unoccupied, because, the same Youtubers tell them they are full of people who hate Ukrainians, so why do you want them.

4. The same half wit clever clogs will be thinking isn't it amazing if they have talks in Alaska, because isn't some Youtuber telling us it used to be Russian. Clever clogs then believes if America metaphorically suck's Putin's cock by suggesting the sale of Alaska made Russia Great Again, because, depending on Wiki, Russia sold Alaska to America to outwit Great Britain, giving away Kursk would therefore will be some amazing powerplay to outwit the European Union, and cement a new US-Russian global hegemony.

 

The Half Wit played this out on Risk (available from all good game shops) and it works 3 out of 5 times. On Sid Meier's Civilization, the Zulus kept popping to spoil things.

[FlorC]

Trump consorting with a war criminal

 

The war criminal even comes to the white house (often).

Not Putin but from that mid eastern country.

Trump doesn't arrest him either.

[Jim Blue]

2 hours ago, Tug said:

He won’t he admires him to much. personally I think trump is attempting to change our American government into something very similar to what putin has created in Russia.

Yes I heard the old wine has been ' removed " from the White House  and replaced by vodka !

[Hummin]

5 minutes ago, FlorC said:

Trump consorting with a war criminal

 

The war criminal even comes to the white house (often).

Not Putin but from that mid eastern country.

Trump doesn't arrest him either.

 

We call that hypocrisy 

[connda]

3 hours ago, 3NUMBAS said:

He’s supposed to arrest Putin In Alaska but likely won’t ,he’s a slippery character like putin

If the US, which is not a signatory to the Rome Statute just like Russia attempted to invoke an ICC ruling, It would be the casus belli for a nuclear war.  I'm to the point where I feel an all out nuclear war would be a healthy thing for the planet, which after time, would recover without the pesky genocidal war monkeys still living.  Now granted, in all the major nuclear nations the "leaders" will escape underground with a contingent of their militaries and enough remaining nukes to kill the entire planet 3 times over - again.  But once they surface again, the genocidal war monkeys who survived will throw the last of their nukes to kill any remaining homo sapiens.  

That would be a good thing.  In 1000 years or so the world heals and although there may be a few genocidal war monkeys living in warring tribes - perhaps - it will be a few millennium before they can build nukes again.  Or better still, they are all wiped out. As Einstein said, "World War 4 will be fought with rocks and sticks."  The perfect ending to hate-filled genocidal war monkeys.  

[SunnyinBangrak]

3 hours ago, Tug said:

He won’t he admires him to much. personally I think trump is attempting to change our American government into something very similar to what putin has created in Russia.

If he actually admired him, there would have been no need for your beloved democrats to concoct the Russia collusion hoax, would there? The only similarity between Trumps USA and Putins Russia is they both have enforced borders.

[connda]

4 minutes ago, Hummin said:

 

We call that hypocrisy 

George W Bush is a war criminal as well. Bibi Netanyahu as well, and  I imagine Trump associates with them as well. 

[novacova]

22 minutes ago, connda said:

I'm to the point where I feel an all out nuclear war would be a healthy thing for the planet,

Really?

22 minutes ago, connda said:

which after time, would recover without the pesky genocidal war monkeys still living.

You included given your above genocidal warmongering statement, as oxymoronic as it is.

22 minutes ago, connda said:

Now granted, in all the major nuclear nations the "leaders" will escape underground with a contingent of their militaries and enough remaining nukes to kill the entire planet 3 times over - again.  But once they surface again, the genocidal war monkeys who survived will throw the last of their nukes to kill any remaining homo sapiens.  

That would be a good thing.

No, that would not be a good thing, unless of course you’re a complete sociopath in a state of no return. You’ve completely lost it and apparently have no sense of reality whatsoever, a complete goner. The world outta be very grateful that you’re not in charge of any nukes on this planet.

[proton]

Didn't Roosevelt meet with Stalin?

[proton]

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

So Zelensky is coming after all?

He's got nothing to wear

[MicroB]

22 minutes ago, connda said:

If the US, which is not a signatory to the Rome Statute just like Russia attempted to invoke an ICC ruling, It would be the casus belli for a nuclear war.  I'm to the point where I feel an all out nuclear war would be a healthy thing for the planet, which after time, would recover without the pesky genocidal war monkeys still living.  Now granted, in all the major nuclear nations the "leaders" will escape underground with a contingent of their militaries and enough remaining nukes to kill the entire planet 3 times over - again.  But once they surface again, the genocidal war monkeys who survived will throw the last of their nukes to kill any remaining homo sapiens.  

That would be a good thing.  In 1000 years or so the world heals and although there may be a few genocidal war monkeys living in warring tribes - perhaps - it will be a few millennium before they can build nukes again.  Or better still, they are all wiped out. As Einstein said, "World War 4 will be fought with rocks and sticks."  The perfect ending to hate-filled genocidal war monkeys.  

 

But we have to deal with the hoardes of psychotic mutants

 

 

Everyone thought WW2 would be thought with chemical weapons. These were used extensively, by both sides. But not really, at least on a large scale, in WW2. While the Allied troops were initially equipped into battle with gasmasks (the British had theirs in a chest rig) they soon ditched than. But Germany kept theirs to the very end, afraid of an Allied Lewisite attack. Yet Germany maintained a really extensive capability at Munster (home of the Panzer trainig schools).

 

The reason was that Germany was afraid of retaliation; likely not out of a concern for the general populace, but because their army was heavily dependant on horse drawn transport.

 

Would the arrest of Putin automatically result in a nuclear war? Why? Russia would know there would be a retaliation. Soviet doctrine acknowledged that Western tactical weapons were far more accurate than Soviet weapons, hence their approach was to use strategic weapons only. But while they might ensure a collapse of NATO/free world command and control, they knew enough about the Western approach, which allowed commanders to use their own initiative under certain circumstances (Royal Navy letters of last resort) in a way Soviet commanders could not generally.

 

Arrest warrants for Serving Heads of States do represent diplomatic difficulties. Ordinarily, given his record, if the American President was not President, he would not qualify for a UK ETA, certainly in the 12 months after conviction. UK visa policy doesn't specify particular offences. Offences resulting in any incarceration are effectively not spent for a period of 5 years for certain visa types; visa officers are given mandatory instruction based on a sliding scale depending on the length of sentence (but not the nature of the offence). I had to deal with this in getting a visa for my wife, who had committed an offence in Malaysia resulting in time (ultimately it was not an issue, and I was glad not to have followed the advice of some forum members and a UK-based Thai visa specialist to lie).

 

But none of that applies to Heads of State and Members of Government. They receive diplomatic visas. Hence the President of Brazil can visit the UK, as did Nelson Mandela. The US granted Gerry Adams, a convicted terrorist, a 48 hour visa to visit the US, despite British protests.

 

ICJ rulings state that heads of state are immune for all acts performed during their time in power, including torture, genocide, and crimes against humanity. Of course, that can't over ride sovereignty. The UK House of Lords determined that extra-judicial killings  could not be considered "official acts" when thinking about Pinochet, when Spain wanted to extradite him.

 

The International Law Commission has developed draft articles on the immunities of heads of state. Article 7 removes immunities for crimes such as genocide, torture, crimes against humanity, war crimes, torture, and forced disappearance. These draft articles reject the view of the ICJ on this matter and approve of the decision of the UK House of Lords on Pinochet.

However, the exceptions contained in the ILC draft articles do not extend to corruption or human rights abuses which do not rise to the level of crimes against humanity.

 

Both the US and EU have enacted legislation removing immunities for acts of corruption and human rights abuses, such as th Maginsky Act.

 

Relating Pinochet, a country could submit a extradition request to the US for Putin. He has certainly broken the national legislation of any number of countries. The US is obliged to consider the request, and ultimately the President would decide, and likely reject, so it would be purely symbolic. But symbolism is all that is needed.  Putin needs to not only consider the reach of the ICC, but also the reach of all the countries he has offended, where there are extradition arrangements.

 

Quite obviously, Serbia is a signatory to the ICC. Russia considers itself Kith and Kin to Serbia. If Serbia arrested Putin, would Russia nuke Serbia? I doubt it.

 

I don't think the nuclear threat is what you think it is, unless you listen too much to the deranged journalists inhabiting Russian TV, nor, on the flipside, the lunatics in the West, promising to turn the entire Middle East into a parking lot/glass (delete as required).

 

 

The example George W Bush was raised. There is not ICC or interpol warrant against him. However, in 2011, he called off a visit to Switzerland because apparently the Centre for Constitutional Rights, was going to issue a warrant for his arrest (due to alleged abuses in Cuba), which the Swiss government is legally obliged to act on.

 

https://www.ecchr.eu/en/case/criminal-complaint-against-bush/

 

But he has continued to travel, mostly to Subsaharan Africa, like Botswana in 2017.

 

 

[Yagoda]

1 hour ago, proton said:

Didn't Roosevelt meet with Stalin?

Got his ass handed to him too.

[CallumWK]

39 minutes ago, MicroB said:

 

 

His facial expression in this picture looks similar to when they informed him about 9/11

[BLMFem]

What happens in Alaska, stays in Alaska,

 

 

[3NUMBAS]

15 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Got his ass handed to him too.

A necessary alliance to defeat the nazis ,and brits were shipping US made tanks and food to the Ruskis